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[Arppis]

I still pefere Eagle over all other pistols. But I'm odd like that.

I laid upon my sofa and said to Talon: impress me, take me to places... and it couldn't.

[capn233]

Here are some 2.0 weight class weapons:

Crusader X
Dmg 788.4
ROF 80
DPSs 890.85

Claymore X
Dmg 1648.
ROF "64"
DPSs 833.38

Black Widow X
Dmg 923.8
ROF 60
DPSs 632.74

Crusader, even if it had no delay, isn't going to dent the use of any of these. Maybe might take away a slight amount of Claymore use, but I doubt it. Partly because you would need a Crusader X, and partly ease of use and practicality.

Something similar, but lighter

Saber X (1.4)
Dmg 575
ROF 80
DPSs 627.56

How many units are you one-shotting with your Crusader that you aren't one-shotting with the Saber? With less weight and greater capacity?

[Grun7mas7er]

upinya slayin wrote...

i try and stay away form teh OP stuff (hurricane, harrier , etc) so i do use the CSMG on alot of classes. i built my infildrell around it as well. I got that challenge done twice easily w/o trying. its a great gun, but most people won't touch it if they have a hurricane

Yeah, I get a lot of people asking me why I'm using a CSMG instead of a Hurricane... lol. 

[Neo-Dark]

N7 weapons should be; N7 <= UR's.

Why? I can play however many games in a week and get however many ultra rares because of it... As in 0... Seriously Bioware... where the hell is an N7 Reinforcement pack with 1 guaranteed UR? I've stopped playing so much because of the random weapon unlocks.

Anyway, N7 guns should be overpowered. It's the truth. You could "in theory" max out 5 Ultra rares in 50 Spectre packs, in comparison, 5 N7's is 50 weeks. Lets not forget the fact bioware used to have it once every 2 weeks and screwed us out of the opportunity to get a few packs. Or do people forget that?

[Bechter]

Stay away from my Hurricane X!

[UKStory135]

Shezo wrote...

Maybe people should saying stuff about crusader and how unreliable it off-host.
It's a hitscan weapon, host or off-host, doesn't matter, unless you have such massive lag that enemy is teleporting all around

The Crusader actually has a false delay mechanism.  It actually fires where the gun was aiming a slight bit before the trigger was pulled instead of directly on the reticle like other hitscan weapons.  Since enemies jump around a bit off-host. The time-travel is more noticable.

[capn233]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Valiant-.... At level X possibly the best gun in the game next to the black widow. I have no clue (unless you can't headshot 3 targets with all 3 shots frequently) how anyone with actuall gametime could say otherwise.

Probably because you aren't one-shotting anything besides basic units with the Valiant...

[lightswitch]

upinya slayin wrote...

Of you go by DPS the reegar, claymore, pirhanna, and raider smoke it with the wraith being a little behind it (i guess due to its slow ROF) but the wraith still bypasses shieldgate and works of host

Since you're not noticing, all of those weapons have severe accuracy problems. Furthermore, if you're not getting headshots with the Crusader you're doing it wrong. At level X its' sustained dps is 890, multiply that by the 1.4 headshot multiplier for bosses and you get 1246. So you can get 1246 sustained DPS against bosses at any range with this gun. Sounding any better yet?

Its' DPS doesn't matter versus mooks because if you're using it on a kit with overload (like you should be), it will kill anything except maybe pyros in one headshot. Doesn't get faster than one-click-dead.

Modifié par lightswitch, 15 février 2013 - 10:38 .

[Arppis]

capn233 wrote...

Here are some 2.0 weight class weapons:

Crusader X
Dmg 788.4
ROF 80
DPSs 890.85

Claymore X
Dmg 1648.
ROF "64"
DPSs 833.38

Black Widow X
Dmg 923.8
ROF 60
DPSs 632.74

Crusader, even if it had no delay, isn't going to dent the use of any of these. Maybe might take away a slight amount of Claymore use, but I doubt it. Partly because you would need a Crusader X, and partly ease of use and practicality.

Something similar, but lighter

Saber X (1.4)
Dmg 575
ROF 80
DPSs 627.56

How many units are you one-shotting with your Crusader that you aren't one-shotting with the Saber? With less weight and greater capacity?

It still has 4 shots, fast reload. So if they would remove the delay, it would be a beast.

[UKStory135]

Grun7mas7er wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

i try and stay away form teh OP stuff (hurricane, harrier , etc) so i do use the CSMG on alot of classes. i built my infildrell around it as well. I got that challenge done twice easily w/o trying. its a great gun, but most people won't touch it if they have a hurricane

Yeah, I get a lot of people asking me why I'm using a CSMG instead of a Hurricane... lol. 

Upinya is one of the bigger CSMG lovers on the forum, FWIW. I'm suprised he called for a buff.

[Twinkles DeVere]

Grun7mas7er wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

i try and stay away form teh OP stuff (hurricane, harrier , etc) so i do use the CSMG on alot of classes. i built my infildrell around it as well. I got that challenge done twice easily w/o trying. its a great gun, but most people won't touch it if they have a hurricane

Yeah, I get a lot of people asking me why I'm using a CSMG instead of a Hurricane... lol. 

I think most average people will have Hurricane at a much higher level than CSMG, which again makes the Hurricane the more logical choice. I only have CSMG atlvl 1, & man it's a pain to use. The low ammo makes it very difficult to use, although I hear it's so much better at X. I might dust it off then

[sandboxgod]

Crusader is great and so is CSMG. devs did a pretty good job with the Eagle too.

No one uses Acolyte much anymore since its charged again. Talon is a UR and is really a mini-shotty. Not really a pistol.

[capn233]

Arppis wrote...

It still has 4 shots, fast reload. So if they would remove the delay, it would be a beast.

It would be good, but it wouldn't be game breaking or overpowered as is suggested.

But seeing as how the delay is probably not something that actually will be removed, the potential of the weapon is somewhat limited.

[Ledgend1221]

sandboxgod wrote...

Crusader is great and so is CSMG. devs did a pretty good job with the Eagle too.

No one uses Acolyte much anymore since its charged again. Talon is a UR and is really a mini-shotty. Not really a pistol.

Lol, WHAT?

[upinya slayin]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

I don't think your looking at the bigger picture of the game.

Hurricane- High damage for the highest recoil of SMGs makes sense, CSMG is better for 100% headshots across the map, and unless the target is withing pirahna shotgun without a choke distance, the CSMG is ALWAYS going to be better as long as you can hit a enemy in the head. Hurricanes spread and bad recoil alone make it Balanced. You must have marksman for accuracy bonus just to get headshots as frequently as the CSMG. Thats 2 classes its limited to, that doesn't make the gun awesome.

Valiant-.... At level X possibly the best gun in the game next to the black widow. I have no clue (unless you can't headshot 3 targets with all 3 shots frequently) how anyone with actuall gametime could say otherwise.

Crusader- Slug delay bug, doesn't need a buff, needs a patch. When it works properly the gun outpaces every other shotgun besides the reegar. Once again, if someone can't headshot, I can see them "thinking" this gun is bad. No other shotgun will hit a target in the head across the map on rio for 100% dead on accuracy. Also this is the only shotgun that doesn't suffer DR from armor (as much) and has built in piercing.

Eagle- isn't this the most buffed gun in the game? Its not outclasses by either the acolyte or the talon. Most of the pistols in this game are niche weapons. Acolyte blows away shields and barriers, and sucks on everything else, talon is a shotgun/pistol, that can't hit blue of sky from a large distance. Eagle serves its purpose extremly LIGHTWIEGHT assault rifle. Comparing them isn't how you would balance the weapon anyway.

Valkyrie- Sigh once again, if you can't headshot a target, I can see this being an issue. The valkyrie, once @X imo is better than all other assault rifles besides the typhoon. Harrier requires clips or ammo camping, this doesnt. Those are the DIFFERENCES in the guns. It doesn't make the gun worse, it makes it usefull in different situations.

Huricane - yes it neds mods to be usefull but throw on the stability mod and stability armor bonus and its 100% stable. you can cross map headshot like a boss w/o any issues. slap on AP armor and ti works on every class. it snot limited to 2 classes by any means and it weighs nothing.

Valiant - most people don't have it at X. and even then IDK if it will 1 shot headshot a mook on gold. the BW widow does. i can get 3 kills per clip. even with headhsots and phasic rounds my valiant 8 won't kill a mook in 1 headshot from my infildrell. (which is obvious in my gold due video with nemy) i Landed several cloacked headshots and it didn't kill a maurder on gold in 1 shot.

Crusdaer - it does need to be reworked but i doubt we'll see another patch for this game. so the only way to make it more suefull is with a buff IMO.

Eagle - how can you say the acolte suchs against eveyrhting but shields/barriers? it has AOE efefct. completly negates phantoms, can be bank shotted off walls, applies ammo effects better then any weapon in the game and can be charged to be sued in conjunction with powers like BC and SS. the talon is the best pistol in the game (and has a damage modifyer against shields) and ignores shieldgate. yes its accuracy isn't great but from close to mid range its amazing. why would you play so far away anyway? and its not a lightweight AR, its a SMG wrapped up in a pistol and yes its better then all teh SMGs except the UR CSMG and the hurricane.

Asloa ren't you the guy who issued a challenge to someone then backed off? I don't think you should be tellign anyone how to play, espcially implying that teh gun only sucks if you can't land a headshot

[Twinkles DeVere]

Talon = pistol thinks it's a shotgun
Indra = sniper rifle thinks it's an assault rifle
Saber = assault rifle thinks it's a sniper rifle
Crusader = shotgun thinks it's a pistol
Reegar = shotgun thinks it's the Emperors Death Ray

[joker_jack]

HolyAvenger wrote...

You know the Crusader RC'd sustained DPS is only bettered by Reegar, Piranha and Raider right? Its pretty damn good.

Valkyrie needs a buff badly.

No it's not. Crusader still has really bad off host issues and not everyone can host. The wraith I can snipe across the map and not worry about laggy aiming or blanks. Not to mention damage to weight ratio is horrible.

Valkyrie is ok, but really can only be use one match at a time. You're trigger finger will hate you after a while. One of the big reasons burst fire weapons aren't a huge .

I like the valiant alot. For the damage it does, it could use a bit of a diet though. Has the best rof of any sr out there. This thing isn't meant to be a jav or bw. It's one sr that does fill it's niche well.

Eagle I still don't like in mp. I just noticed in sp the huge difference in recoil. In sp you could stand there and acuratly head shot mooks and the damage is pretty decent. In mp, the damn thing kicks like an incisor. You have a higher chance of missed shots and having to sac valuable equipment slots to stabiliation mods. The turian defence is weak in where the gun geared towards. it's the 2nd lightest gun in the game. So it's geared towards casters, yet has such horrible recoil it an adept will be lucky to hit a broadside of a brute. The eagle would be better if it returned to the sp level of recoil.

[SpectreSeven]

All of the N7 weps are fairly good IMO. Perhaps the Valkyrie deserves a small buff, but that's about it.

[Drunkencelt]

I agree with you except on a few points.

Valiant- pretty horrible sniper rifle far outclassed by the widow/br/csr/kishok. It is also not the best caster Sr. It does not fill any niche. It has one of the worst disparities in ranges between each level before 10.

Valkyrie- one of the worst AR's by far. You said its barely better than the Argus. The Argus is one of the best guns on the game on a lot of kits. Just stabilize it and score headshot headshot headshot.

[upinya slayin]

Arppis wrote...

I still pefere Eagle over all other pistols. But I'm odd like that.

I laid upon my sofa and said to Talon: impress me, take me to places... and it couldn't.

really? the talon is amazing. when i was doing plaitnum speed runs with the GI and ran out of shotgun amps (back in the pre nerf prihanna days lol) i used the follwing weaposn to be able to use level 3 amps

SMG - Hurricane
Pistol - Talon
AR - Harrier

all of them mowed down platinum bosses liek nothign with a gI

[BlackDahlia424]

Hurricane = fine as is.
Eagle = fine as is.
Valiant = reduce weight to give it a niche over the Black Widow.
Crusader = remove terrible delay mechanic.
Valkyrie = needs a massive damage buff.

That's my opinion.

[upinya slayin]

Neo-Dark wrote...

N7 weapons should be; N7 <= UR's.

Why? I can play however many games in a week and get however many ultra rares because of it... As in 0... Seriously Bioware... where the hell is an N7 Reinforcement pack with 1 guaranteed UR? I've stopped playing so much because of the random weapon unlocks.

Anyway, N7 guns should be overpowered. It's the truth. You could "in theory" max out 5 Ultra rares in 50 Spectre packs, in comparison, 5 N7's is 50 weeks. Lets not forget the fact bioware used to have it once every 2 weeks and screwed us out of the opportunity to get a few packs. Or do people forget that?

wow your negative lol

N7 weapons are easier for new players to unlock. they come from a pack taht guarentees you 1 a week for easy challenges. they shoulnd't be better then URs. Most players will never play enough to max out their manifest but any player can play one game a week for a year and get their N7s maxed.

aslo they didn't screw us. They helped us by allowing us to get them twice as often, they aslo gave us 1 free one on N7day

[stinekandts]

Overall I think you are right. But in the in the right hands, the weapons you do not favor have some serious damage output. Enough to compensate for their "shortcomings".

[sandboxgod]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

sandboxgod wrote...

Crusader is great and so is CSMG. devs did a pretty good job with the Eagle too.

No one uses Acolyte much anymore since its charged again. Talon is a UR and is really a mini-shotty. Not really a pistol.

Lol, WHAT?

Yep. When it was chargeless everyone and their daddy rocked the acolyte (since it was bloody simple to use). Now that its charged again I dont see them much in lobbies anymore. Your experience may differ. 

[Drunkencelt]

The crusader's problems.

1. The crusader slug component makes it the only shotgun severely affected by shield gate.
2. It does not due damage according to its weight. It is the only gun in the game with an insane weight simply because of its accuracy. The weight should be reduced to bring it in line with other guns.
3. Slug-delay overrated problem