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[upinya slayin]

lightswitch wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Of you go by DPS the reegar, claymore, pirhanna, and raider smoke it with the wraith being a little behind it (i guess due to its slow ROF) but the wraith still bypasses shieldgate and works of host

Since you're not noticing, all of those weapons have severe accuracy problems. Furthermore, if you're not getting headshots with the Crusader you're doing it wrong. At level X its' sustained dps is 890, multiply that by the 1.4 headshot multiplier for bosses and you get 1246. So you can get 1246 sustained DPS against bosses at any range with this gun. Sounding any better yet?

Its' DPS doesn't matter versus mooks because if you're using it on a kit with overload (like you should be), it will kill anything except maybe pyros in one headshot. Doesn't get faster than one-click-dead.

lol slap a smart choke on teh claymore or wraith and you can 1 shot ehadshot anyhting across the map. I do it all the time and then laugh and say "sniper rifle shotgun" the wriath and claymore have insane accuracy with a smart shoke.

also the reeger at close range is deadly accurate. and its susatind DPS is like 8800 not including the shield modifyer

[upinya slayin]

UKStory135 wrote...

Grun7mas7er wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

i try and stay away form teh OP stuff (hurricane, harrier , etc) so i do use the CSMG on alot of classes. i built my infildrell around it as well. I got that challenge done twice easily w/o trying. its a great gun, but most people won't touch it if they have a hurricane

Yeah, I get a lot of people asking me why I'm using a CSMG instead of a Hurricane... lol. 

Upinya is one of the bigger CSMG lovers on the forum, FWIW. I'm suprised he called for a buff.

I do absolutly love it. even before loving it was cool. With that said it was either buff the CSMG or Nerf teh hurricane and if i called for a nerf this thread would explode...... still the huricane needs a nerf lol

[Daihannya]

Grun7mas7er wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

i try and stay away form teh OP stuff (hurricane, harrier , etc) so i do use the CSMG on alot of classes. i built my infildrell around it as well. I got that challenge done twice easily w/o trying. its a great gun, but most people won't touch it if they have a hurricane

Yeah, I get a lot of people asking me why I'm using a CSMG instead of a Hurricane... lol. 

My Hurricane is at 8 it actually collects dust, as I use my CSMG X a lot more.    The hurricane can out DPS the CSMG, but the CSMG is damm accurate. and it can chew through armor as fast as a harrier.

[Cheylus]

The Valkyrie is better than the Argus, slightly better. Needs a damage buff though, because Typhoon, PPR and Harrier are, by far, superior.

The Crusader is more than fine, I'm used to it. It does its job perfectly; don't touch the delay mechanic, it adds some spice. The downside about the Claymore is its best part: it's overpowered. Most of the damage is lost, especially if you land headshots continuously. Same thing can be said about the Wraith. The Reegar, the Piranha and the Raider can't be compared to the Crusader, each have a different role. 
The Crusader can deal with mooks quickly, and is even good against bosses, has armor penetration - and I don't care about the delay since bosses are BIG.

The Valiant and the Eagle are fine.
But no, the N7 weapons aren't badly unbalanced. Only the Valkyrie feels out of place.

edit: trying to explain why the Crusader is fine as it is. 

Modifié par Cheylus, 15 février 2013 - 11:09 .

[Chi_Mangetsu]

Every single time I read one of these threads and see "trash" this "garbage" that and I have to shake my head in shame for these fools what have no concept of balancing. Same people that can't use projectile weapons hate the Crusader and same folks that probably recommend the Harrier on All the Things surely couldn't headshot consistently to save their life for their hatred of the Valkyrie. Gods you people can be taxing at times. BSN pls

[lightswitch]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Valkyrie- Sigh once again, if you can't headshot a target, I can see this being an issue.

Sigh, once again, the accuracy on this gun is crap. It's only good for headshots at about ten meters. Past that the accuracy is terrible.

[upinya slayin]

Twinkles DeVere wrote...

Talon = pistol thinks it's a shotgun
Indra = sniper rifle thinks it's an assault rifle
Saber = assault rifle thinks it's a sniper rifle
Crusader = shotgun thinks it's a pistol
Reegar = shotgun thinks it's the Emperors Death Ray

[Arppis]

capn233 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

It still has 4 shots, fast reload. So if they would remove the delay, it would be a beast.

It would be good, but it wouldn't be game breaking or overpowered as is suggested.

But seeing as how the delay is probably not something that actually will be removed, the potential of the weapon is somewhat limited.

True enough, but it can be mastered, imo.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

upinya slayin wrote...

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Huricane - yes it neds mods to be usefull but throw on the stability mod and stability armor bonus and its 100% stable. you can cross map headshot like a boss w/o any issues. slap on AP armor and ti works on every class. it snot limited to 2 classes by any means and it weighs nothing.

Valiant - most people don't have it at X. and even then IDK if it will 1 shot headshot a mook on gold. the BW widow does. i can get 3 kills per clip. even with headhsots and phasic rounds my valiant 8 won't kill a mook in 1 headshot from my infildrell. (which is obvious in my gold due video with nemy) i Landed several cloacked headshots and it didn't kill a maurder on gold in 1 shot.

Crusdaer - it does need to be reworked but i doubt we'll see another patch for this game. so the only way to make it more suefull is with a buff IMO.

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(ahem)... Yeah, I had a similar reaction to what he said about the Hurricane. As I said before, it's in the loadout of every kit I use without recoil mod or stabilization, and it is still my goto weapon against bosses at medium range. It is all kinds of useful, I agree.

For Gold, the sustained ability of the Valiant to put big damage out is excellent compared to a lot of weapons. I do one-shot non-shielded mooks all the time, and the second shot it takes to kill shielded ones happens pretty quickly. Also, I run nice and fast with the Valiant. I really love running fast.

And you know what? Buff the Crusader. I don't mind at all. 

[Drunkencelt]

capn233 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

It still has 4 shots, fast reload. So if they would remove the delay, it would be a beast.

It would be good, but it wouldn't be game breaking or overpowered as is suggested.

But seeing as how the delay is probably not something that actually will be removed, the potential of the weapon is somewhat limited.

It has 4 shots but if fires them off slower than any other shotgun with a massive recoil reset time. It's fast reload time doesn't warrant its weight. It's damage doesn't warrant its weight.

The shot delay,  isn't noticeable to me. It has no were the offhost penalties of the Graal/Kishok.

[upinya slayin]

stinekandts wrote...

Overall I think you are right. But in the in the right hands, the weapons you do not favor have some serious damage output. Enough to compensate for their "shortcomings".

well again it was about balance not usefullness. I don't like the crusader but have done well with it when i've used it. for instance one game my friend CHallenged me (pre buff and also pre FE buff) to use a human engineer with only a combat drone and crusader (U/U/G BTW) we got ceberus and condor and i scored 170k+ and toppe dthe scoreboard by quite a bit. I'm nto saying its bad but with the claymore or wraith i probably would have been well over 200k that game. it was more towards balance., I got revenge though challenging him to play a full gold only using the destroyer's missile launcher it was hilarious.

[lightswitch]

upinya slayin wrote...

lol slap a smart choke on teh claymore or wraith and you can 1 shot ehadshot anyhting across the map. I do it all the time and then laugh and say "sniper rifle shotgun" the wriath and claymore have insane accuracy with a smart shoke.

I play with smart-choked Claymore and Wraith every day. And my answer to your assertion is...

lolno. You cannot one shot anything at long range with that setup unless you're playing a kit with Marksman.

Modifié par lightswitch, 15 février 2013 - 10:59 .

[enigmagtx]

since you have to do a timed event to even get N7 weapons should they be stronger than the URs? I mean yea all you get out of packs now is IV ammo but when the new dlc comes out people will get the URs they need. As for N7 they only come once a week and odds of getting the ones you want are 1/50.

[upinya slayin]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

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Huricane - yes it neds mods to be usefull but throw on the stability mod and stability armor bonus and its 100% stable. you can cross map headshot like a boss w/o any issues. slap on AP armor and ti works on every class. it snot limited to 2 classes by any means and it weighs nothing.

Valiant - most people don't have it at X. and even then IDK if it will 1 shot headshot a mook on gold. the BW widow does. i can get 3 kills per clip. even with headhsots and phasic rounds my valiant 8 won't kill a mook in 1 headshot from my infildrell. (which is obvious in my gold due video with nemy) i Landed several cloacked headshots and it didn't kill a maurder on gold in 1 shot.

Crusdaer - it does need to be reworked but i doubt we'll see another patch for this game. so the only way to make it more suefull is with a buff IMO.

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(ahem)... Yeah, I had a similar reaction to what he said about the Hurricane. As I said before, it's in the loadout of every kit I use without recoil mod or stabilization, and it is still my goto weapon against bosses at medium range. It is all kinds of useful, I agree.

For Gold, the sustained ability of the Valiant to put big damage out is excellent compared to a lot of weapons. I do one-shot non-shielded mooks all the time, and the second shot it takes to kill shielded ones happens pretty quickly. Also, I run nice and fast with the Valiant. I really love running fast.

And you know what? Buff the Crusader. I don't mind at all. 

that was the point on the valiant. at elevl 8 i can't 1 shot a shielded enemy on gold so i could only kill 1 maurder on a full clip even with all headshots. with the BW i can kill 3 of them (even more if they are lined up. I've killed 5-6 full shilded enemies with 1 clip of the BW before. but the valaint did net me my 20 heashot medal on teh 1st enemy of wave 3 i shot. still my quickest to that medal. so it'll always have a place in my heart

[upinya slayin]

lightswitch wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

lol slap a smart choke on teh claymore or wraith and you can 1 shot ehadshot anyhting across the map. I do it all the time and then laugh and say "sniper rifle shotgun" the wriath and claymore have insane accuracy with a smart shoke.

I play with smart-choked Claymore and Wraith every day. And my answer to your assertion is...

lolno. You cannot one shot anything at long range with that setup unless you're playing a kit with Marksman.

depends on your definiton of long range. for instance on any class i can 1 shot a maurder on shot from the top of the LZ to midway between the connex box on the far end and my position. Thats long range to me.

[Chi_Mangetsu]

@lightswitch:

Wraith has incredible range and massive damage output before HVB; that's just icing on the cake. And the Claymore just doles out massive damage on anything unlucky enough to be in its path. At a limited range. So yeah, I agree on the latter, but not sure how you come to that conclusion on the former.

[Jokoso]

I agree for the most part but I think the Crusaders a fantastic gun. Does it all pretty well in my opinion, regardless of the numbers.

Just unfortunate that, mostly due to the shot lag issue, is a personal preference gun and has a notorious rep.

[pistolols]

what's up with the Crusader constantly having point blank shots not register any damage? Seeing this happen as a host. Yet i can hit units across the map with it just fine.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

upinya slayin wrote...

that was the point on the valiant. at elevl 8 i can't 1 shot a shielded enemy on gold so i could only kill 1 maurder on a full clip even with all headshots. with the BW i can kill 3 of them (even more if they are lined up. I've killed 5-6 full shilded enemies with 1 clip of the BW before. but the valaint did net me my 20 heashot medal on teh 1st enemy of wave 3 i shot. still my quickest to that medal. so it'll always have a place in my heart

Just out of curiousity, at what level would you say the Black Widow would start to compare to the Valiant?

For me, it's IV and VIII, respectively, and I won't take the movement penalty for the way they stack up now. When would you say the BW will start to outclass it?

[-Sxx-]

I think you've come down too hard on the crusader. It is not the worst ultra at all. Line up headshots (or don't) and its still exceptionally strong. If you use it often you can overcome its problems eventually and easily. That's what I found when I kept using it. A rof adjustment and a decrease in weight wouldn't go amiss though. If anything, cut the shot lag in half. It's not the worse thing ever but I can understand the annoyances.

Though I don't agree with biowares notion of 'oh lol it wasn't supposed to be there but we like it as it is, so it shall stay' despite people's consistent complaints...

[codsquallic]

yeah, outside of the hurricane they (+csmg) can all use a buff of some sort.

[capn233]

pistolols wrote...

what's up with the Crusader constantly having point blank shots not register any damage? Seeing this happen as a host. Yet i can hit units across the map with it just fine.

Because it has such a powerful mass effect generator that it distorts spacetime.

When you press the trigger, it takes 0.2 seconds for it to fire, but it will fire exactly at the spot where the crosshairs were you when first pressed the trigger.

This effect is known as "relativity of simultaneity."

Modifié par capn233, 15 février 2013 - 11:15 .

[upinya slayin]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

that was the point on the valiant. at elevl 8 i can't 1 shot a shielded enemy on gold so i could only kill 1 maurder on a full clip even with all headshots. with the BW i can kill 3 of them (even more if they are lined up. I've killed 5-6 full shilded enemies with 1 clip of the BW before. but the valaint did net me my 20 heashot medal on teh 1st enemy of wave 3 i shot. still my quickest to that medal. so it'll always have a place in my heart

Just out of curiousity, at what level would you say the Black Widow would start to compare to the Valiant?

For me, it's IV and VIII, respectively, and I won't take the movement penalty for the way they stack up now. When would you say the BW will start to outclass it?

honestly i have no idea. I've had my BW maxed out for a looong time now. even ebfore i had a valiant 3 so it hard to compare

[FlowCytometry]

The only one that could use an outright buff is the Valky, imo- considering how punishing it is to use optimally and its weight & rarity. The Valiant is still decent, but has suffered from power creep. the Eagle is fine now, the Crusader would be fine if it weren't for the firing delay, and the Hurricane is crazy- but also crazy to control.

[sandboxgod]

Something is just off with the Valiant. Doesn't feel like a sniper rifle. Reloads fast,etc. I guess its okay but its just not fun to use like the Black widow, etc.