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Chi_Mangetsu wrote...

Every single time I read one of these threads and see "trash" this "garbage" that and I have to shake my head in shame for these fools what have no concept of balancing. Same people that can't use projectile weapons hate the Crusader and same folks that probably recommend the Harrier on All the Things surely couldn't headshot consistently to save their life for their hatred of the Valkyrie. Gods you people can be taxing at times. BSN pls

Crusader isn't a projectile weapon—it's hitscan like most every other weapon in the game. Its mechanics are just very very weird, due to a long firing delay.

Compare and contrast it with the Graal—With a good connection to the host, the Graal is a beast, and isn't that hard to use.

Modifié par EvanKester, 15 février 2013 - 11:23 .

[upinya slayin]

sandboxgod wrote...

Something is just off with the Valiant. Doesn't feel like a sniper rifle. Reloads fast,etc. I guess its okay but its just not fun to use like the Black widow, etc.

I'm gonna agree with this. The black Widow just feels like its a powerfull and deadly weapon. the valaint just kinda feels like a cheap toy.

I still lvoe teh valaint, but the BW is way better IMO

[Ronnie Blastoff]

upinya slayin wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

I don't think your looking at the bigger picture of the game.

Hurricane- High damage for the highest recoil of SMGs makes sense, CSMG is better for 100% headshots across the map, and unless the target is withing pirahna shotgun without a choke distance, the CSMG is ALWAYS going to be better as long as you can hit a enemy in the head. Hurricanes spread and bad recoil alone make it Balanced. You must have marksman for accuracy bonus just to get headshots as frequently as the CSMG. Thats 2 classes its limited to, that doesn't make the gun awesome.

Valiant-.... At level X possibly the best gun in the game next to the black widow. I have no clue (unless you can't headshot 3 targets with all 3 shots frequently) how anyone with actuall gametime could say otherwise.

Crusader- Slug delay bug, doesn't need a buff, needs a patch. When it works properly the gun outpaces every other shotgun besides the reegar. Once again, if someone can't headshot, I can see them "thinking" this gun is bad. No other shotgun will hit a target in the head across the map on rio for 100% dead on accuracy. Also this is the only shotgun that doesn't suffer DR from armor (as much) and has built in piercing.

Eagle- isn't this the most buffed gun in the game? Its not outclasses by either the acolyte or the talon. Most of the pistols in this game are niche weapons. Acolyte blows away shields and barriers, and sucks on everything else, talon is a shotgun/pistol, that can't hit blue of sky from a large distance. Eagle serves its purpose extremly LIGHTWIEGHT assault rifle. Comparing them isn't how you would balance the weapon anyway.

Valkyrie- Sigh once again, if you can't headshot a target, I can see this being an issue. The valkyrie, once @X imo is better than all other assault rifles besides the typhoon. Harrier requires clips or ammo camping, this doesnt. Those are the DIFFERENCES in the guns. It doesn't make the gun worse, it makes it usefull in different situations.

Huricane - yes it neds mods to be usefull but throw on the stability mod and stability armor bonus and its 100% stable. you can cross map headshot like a boss w/o any issues. slap on AP armor and ti works on every class. it snot limited to 2 classes by any means and it weighs nothing.

Valiant - most people don't have it at X. and even then IDK if it will 1 shot headshot a mook on gold. the BW widow does. i can get 3 kills per clip. even with headhsots and phasic rounds my valiant 8 won't kill a mook in 1 headshot from my infildrell. (which is obvious in my gold due video with nemy) i Landed several cloacked headshots and it didn't kill a maurder on gold in 1 shot.

Crusdaer - it does need to be reworked but i doubt we'll see another patch for this game. so the only way to make it more suefull is with a buff IMO.

Eagle - how can you say the acolte suchs against eveyrhting but shields/barriers? it has AOE efefct. completly negates phantoms, can be bank shotted off walls, applies ammo effects better then any weapon in the game and can be charged to be sued in conjunction with powers like BC and SS. the talon is the best pistol in the game (and has a damage modifyer against shields) and ignores shieldgate. yes its accuracy isn't great but from close to mid range its amazing. why would you play so far away anyway? and its not a lightweight AR, its a SMG wrapped up in a pistol and yes its better then all teh SMGs except the UR CSMG and the hurricane.

Asloa ren't you the guy who issued a challenge to someone then backed off? I don't think you should be tellign anyone how to play, espcially implying that teh gun only sucks if you can't land a headshot

Hurricane still is "crap" with stability mods, I think your confusing accuracy with stability. Accuracy is how pinpoint each shot is compared to the shot before, stability is the recoil and how much the gun kicks. The crosshairs don't reduce in spread when you use stability mods. Only accuracy mods and recoil. And even then, your taking up other precious places for either cyclonic mods for survival or effeciency/power amps. The collector SMG is pinpoint in that little "(  )" reticule. The hurricane spreads like a shotgun while not in cover.

The crusader can have its damage boosted to 2K per shot, it doesn't matter, its "unreliable" for landing on anything but brutes praetorians atlus ravagers and scions. The whole point in using the crusader over another weapon is "headshots" but with its main issue being accuracy, defeats the purpose. Buff wont fix this.

The acolytes rate of fire is trash, its damage compared to other pistols is trash, the accuracy of the gun is trash, its AoE is the same size of an explosives rounds 1 explosion. Its only usefull for what it does, take down shields and barriers. Taking down phantoms is something that can be done with any class, this gun doesn't become awesome because it takes down phantoms, my level 1 human sentinels throw takes down phantoms. What about dragoons? You'd get your azz handed to you EVERYTIME against a pack of dragoons wielding this p.o.s. And if you don't, its because you used powers or someone saved you. And they aren't "tough" as phantoms.

And as for issuing a challenge to someone and backing off. No, you really have me confused with someone else if you think RONNIE THE BACKFLIPPING GORILLA PRINCE OF PERSIA BLASTOFF! backs away from anything.

[DarkseidXIII]

All guns are fine as is. (except Falcon. unnerf please)

Modifié par DarkseidXIII, 15 février 2013 - 11:27 .

[ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L]

 I stopped taking you seriously when you said the Crusader needs a buff and "damage isn't great".

But the Valiant and Valkyrie are fine? 

[ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L]

upinya slayin wrote...

sandboxgod wrote...

Something is just off with the Valiant. Doesn't feel like a sniper rifle. Reloads fast,etc. I guess its okay but its just not fun to use like the Black widow, etc.

I'm gonna agree with this. The black Widow just feels like its a powerfull and deadly weapon. the valaint just kinda feels like a cheap toy.

I still lvoe teh valaint, but the BW is way better IMO

You said the Valiant is pretty close the the Black Widow in the OP. Now the BW is way better and the Valiant is a child's toy. Okay...

And Crusader does pitiful damage... or is it good now?

There's a reason this thing has shield gate like most sniper rifles. (Hint: It's not because it's lacking in damage)

[upinya slayin]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...


Hurricane still is "crap" with stability mods, I think your confusing accuracy with stability. Accuracy is how pinpoint each shot is compared to the shot before, stability is the recoil and how much the gun kicks. The crosshairs don't reduce in spread when you use stability mods. Only accuracy mods and recoil. And even then, your taking up other precious places for either cyclonic mods for survival or effeciency/power amps. The collector SMG is pinpoint in that little "(  )" reticule. The hurricane spreads like a shotgun while not in cover.

The crusader can have its damage boosted to 2K per shot, it doesn't matter, its "unreliable" for landing on anything but brutes praetorians atlus ravagers and scions. The whole point in using the crusader over another weapon is "headshots" but with its main issue being accuracy, defeats the purpose. Buff wont fix this.

The acolytes rate of fire is trash, its damage compared to other pistols is trash, the accuracy of the gun is trash, its AoE is the same size of an explosives rounds 1 explosion. Its only usefull for what it does, take down shields and barriers. Taking down phantoms is something that can be done with any class, this gun doesn't become awesome because it takes down phantoms, my level 1 human sentinels throw takes down phantoms. What about dragoons? You'd get your azz handed to you EVERYTIME against a pack of dragoons wielding this p.o.s. And if you don't, its because you used powers or someone saved you. And they aren't "tough" as phantoms.

And as for issuing a challenge to someone and backing off. No, you really have me confused with someone else if you think RONNIE THE BACKFLIPPING GORILLA PRINCE OF PERSIA BLASTOFF! backs away from anything.

Lol hurricane crap with stability mod? your crazy. it mows down eveyrthing. i'm away of accruacy (aka spread) compared to stability (aka recoil or kick) i'm not even gonna bother to discuss it with you. I love the CSMG i had a 200k game and 75 SMG kills with it using a TGI and posted it here syaing teh gun is awesome and eveyrone flame dme for it lol but teh hurricane is still way better as a damage dealer. the only thing teh cSMG has is the recharging ammo makes it great for casters as they enevr have to stop dealing damage

and the acolyte is amazing. sure i wouldn't take it as a primary gun on a shooter clas but its low wight emans you can take it as a backup for pahntoms eveyrtime. and on a caster the acolyte is amazing. with Inc ammo you can set off FEs on draghoons like there si no tomorrow. dragoons are easy with any setup

[upinya slayin]

ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L wrote...

 I stopped taking you seriously when you said the Crusader needs a buff and "damage isn't great".

But the Valiant and Valkyrie are fine? 

it isn't compared to other shotungs. its worse then eevry rare shotgun (except the discple)

the valaint is better then the rare SRs or at least comparable and the valakerie is better then or comparable to the rare ARs

[Ronnie Blastoff]

sandboxgod wrote...

Something is just off with the Valiant. Doesn't feel like a sniper rifle. Reloads fast,etc. I guess its okay but its just not fun to use like the Black widow, etc.

Its light as a mantis, 145% without capacity on most classes.
Its RoF is crazy compared to its damage per shot.
It is a single shot weapon (great against armor)
FASTEST reloading weapon in the game (tied with raptor/viper for 0.3s) Only gun that I can say reloads faster is the wraith, thats only because it can be "glitch" reloaded so it can be concidered instant.
It also has the HIGHEST MC(RC)DPS of any sniper in the game. Which in relation to the game, means your getting more damage out for every bullet/clip you hit the target with.

Its not as "crunchy" as the black widow, but you'll less likely use the BW on say an asari adept and still be as effective.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Hurricane still is "crap" with stability mods, I think your confusing accuracy with stability. Accuracy is how pinpoint each shot is compared to the shot before, stability is the recoil and how much the gun kicks. The crosshairs don't reduce in spread when you use stability mods. Only accuracy mods and recoil. And even then, your taking up other precious places for either cyclonic mods for survival or effeciency/power amps. The collector SMG is pinpoint in that little "(  )" reticule. The hurricane spreads like a shotgun while not in cover.

The crusader can have its damage boosted to 2K per shot, it doesn't matter, its "unreliable" for landing on anything but brutes praetorians atlus ravagers and scions. The whole point in using the crusader over another weapon is "headshots" but with its main issue being accuracy, defeats the purpose. Buff wont fix this.

The acolytes rate of fire is trash, its damage compared to other pistols is trash, the accuracy of the gun is trash, its AoE is the same size of an explosives rounds 1 explosion. Its only usefull for what it does, take down shields and barriers. Taking down phantoms is something that can be done with any class, this gun doesn't become awesome because it takes down phantoms, my level 1 human sentinels throw takes down phantoms. What about dragoons? You'd get your azz handed to you EVERYTIME against a pack of dragoons wielding this p.o.s. And if you don't, its because you used powers or someone saved you. And they aren't "tough" as phantoms.

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1 - The hurricane is extremely effective at moderate range, and you exagerrate the spread of the bullets tremendously. I don't tell others how to use weapons, but have you tried offsetting the barrel climb with the tumbstick/mouse? It changes everything.

2 - Crusader... unreliable...??? Didn't you just finish defending the Crusader's efficacy in your last post? I don't have any trouble getting moderate headshots, and about I'm about 50/50 at long range (meaning 2 per clip at long range, with a shotgun). No one's rushing to call me an elite player, so you're exaggerating how the gun suffers from the shot delay. I don't think it needs a buff, either, but it's a beast, once you adjust for its peculiarities.

3 - Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? Acolyte was the first charged gun I used. My Volus Adept slaughters with it on Gold. I don't usually get the kill, but three Dragoons standing side by side for even a few seconds will get severely damaged by one. It is one of the most powerful and effective weapons in my arsenal, and it wasn't even that hard to learn how to use. 

[GallowsPole]

My god. They are CE promotionals BW is giving us. They shouldn't be better, worse, rarer. Just weapons we got in SP as part of the CE. In SP they kick ass. Actually I'm kinda pissed cause we should have gotten them automatically.

[upinya slayin]

ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

sandboxgod wrote...

Something is just off with the Valiant. Doesn't feel like a sniper rifle. Reloads fast,etc. I guess its okay but its just not fun to use like the Black widow, etc.

I'm gonna agree with this. The black Widow just feels like its a powerfull and deadly weapon. the valaint just kinda feels like a cheap toy.

I still lvoe teh valaint, but the BW is way better IMO

You said the Valiant is pretty close the the Black Widow in the OP. Now the BW is way better and the Valiant is a child's toy. Okay...

And Crusader does pitiful damage... or is it good now?

There's a reason this thing has shield gate like most sniper rifles. (Hint: It's not because it's lacking in damage)

i was talking about the feel of it and perosnal preference. not actual usefullness or damage dealt. The BW just feels and sounds good, like a sniper should, in comparison the valaint feels like a toy. but its irrelvant to its actual abilies in game do yoiu not understand the difference?

it does pitiful damage compared to ther shotguns and it has issues off host landing shots. its a bad shotgun compared to every rare shotgun (except teh desicple)

[megabeast37215]

OP said the Crusader is underpowered and needs a buff... LOL... you can tell when someone hasn't used the gun very much.

[ManRightChea]

IMO the Eagle has to be the worst promotional gun and UR, I hate seeing it in my Comm. packs. Do most people like the Eagle?

[upinya slayin]

megabeast37215 wrote...

OP said the Crusader is underpowered and needs a buff... LOL... you can tell when someone hasn't used the gun very much.

i'ved used it like 3 times. all 3 times 150k plus.
Still sucks in comparison to the rare shotguns. that was the point. the hurricane is too good and the crusader is too bad compared to the rare wepaons in its class but the other 3 fit right

[Cheylus]

The Crusader is a very good weapon. Give it another chance.

Try to imagine this delay as a prayer to your bullet.

Have a little faith.

[megabeast37215]

Paynez wrote...
Crusader: ohgodwhy. It's outclassed by every rare shotgun. Even if you're amazing at using it and are used to the shot delay thingy, you're better off using a claymore or Wraith. IMO if Biower increased the headshot multiplier to 3x and removed the shot delay thingy, it would be a much better weapon.

Play the Claymore GI and the Crusader GI in back to back Plat matches then come tell me the gun is outclassed...

It's a far better boss killer than the Claymore.... and it does it at greater range.

Damage is not the Crusader's problem at all... it oozes damage. The aim delay takes a few games to get used to.. but that's it (not affected by hosting BTW).

I have a Valiant X... its DECENT on engineers, but it's worthless on Infiltrators compared to the big boy sniper rifles.

[upinya slayin]

Paynez wrote...

Here are my thoughts for all of the N7 weapons
Valiant: Good weapon, easy to use or beginner snipers. So it has a pretty good niche in the sniper category
Valkyrie: It's a cross between the Harrier and Argus. Since Biower buffed the Headshot damage on it, I reckon it's not that bad in the right hands
Eagle: Some people like it, I haven't used it that much but I can see why people think it's really good now.

Ok now for the 2 big ones.
Hurricane: It's an amazing SMG. Chews through armour, high RoF and is good at all levels. The only downside is it's high recoil and ****** poor accuracy but against large bosses and on TSol that doesn't matter due to the insane amount of lead it pumps out.

Crusader: ohgodwhy. It's outclassed by every rare shotgun. Even if you're amazing at using it and are used to the shot delay thingy, you're better off using a claymore or Wraith. IMO if Biower increased the headshot multiplier to 3x and removed the shot delay thingy, it would be a much better weapon.

THANK YOU!
finally somebody gets the point of the post

[megabeast37215]

upinya slayin wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

OP said the Crusader is underpowered and needs a buff... LOL... you can tell when someone hasn't used the gun very much.

i'ved used it like 3 times. all 3 times 150k plus.
Still sucks in comparison to the rare shotguns. that was the point. the hurricane is too good and the crusader is too bad compared to the rare wepaons in its class but the other 3 fit right

So... you've used it 3 times and now you're going on score as a baseline... hmm....

How about TTK? The Claymore is a better mook killer (bc it can OSK mooks) but the Crusader is absolutely a better boss killer.

[megabeast37215]

upinya slayin wrote...

Paynez wrote...

Here are my thoughts for all of the N7 weapons
Valiant: Good weapon, easy to use or beginner snipers. So it has a pretty good niche in the sniper category
Valkyrie: It's a cross between the Harrier and Argus. Since Biower buffed the Headshot damage on it, I reckon it's not that bad in the right hands
Eagle: Some people like it, I haven't used it that much but I can see why people think it's really good now.

Ok now for the 2 big ones.
Hurricane: It's an amazing SMG. Chews through armour, high RoF and is good at all levels. The only downside is it's high recoil and ****** poor accuracy but against large bosses and on TSol that doesn't matter due to the insane amount of lead it pumps out.

Crusader: ohgodwhy. It's outclassed by every rare shotgun. Even if you're amazing at using it and are used to the shot delay thingy, you're better off using a claymore or Wraith. IMO if Biower increased the headshot multiplier to 3x and removed the shot delay thingy, it would be a much better weapon.

THANK YOU!
finally somebody gets the point of the post

The Crusader is the 2nd best Promotional Weapon...

[upinya slayin]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Paynez wrote...
Crusader: ohgodwhy. It's outclassed by every rare shotgun. Even if you're amazing at using it and are used to the shot delay thingy, you're better off using a claymore or Wraith. IMO if Biower increased the headshot multiplier to 3x and removed the shot delay thingy, it would be a much better weapon.

Play the Claymore GI and the Crusader GI in back to back Plat matches then come tell me the gun is outclassed...

It's a far better boss killer than the Claymore.... and it does it at greater range.

Damage is not the Crusader's problem at all... it oozes damage. The aim delay takes a few games to get used to.. but that's it (not affected by hosting BTW).

I have a Valiant X... its DECENT on engineers, but it's worthless on Infiltrators compared to the big boy sniper rifles.

most bosses are big easy to hit targets (with teh banshee beign teh lone exception) and even still its damage si still far less. I've done platinum speed runs with teh talon, hurricane, harrier, prihanna, and wraith all in back to back games cycling between the 5 wepaons and all 5 are far better tehn teh crusdaer for it. and yes it was with teh GI

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Ah yes, "Balance"...

[Ronnie Blastoff]

upinya slayin wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...


Hurricane still is "crap" with stability mods, I think your confusing accuracy with stability. Accuracy is how pinpoint each shot is compared to the shot before, stability is the recoil and how much the gun kicks. The crosshairs don't reduce in spread when you use stability mods. Only accuracy mods and recoil. And even then, your taking up other precious places for either cyclonic mods for survival or effeciency/power amps. The collector SMG is pinpoint in that little "(  )" reticule. The hurricane spreads like a shotgun while not in cover.

The crusader can have its damage boosted to 2K per shot, it doesn't matter, its "unreliable" for landing on anything but brutes praetorians atlus ravagers and scions. The whole point in using the crusader over another weapon is "headshots" but with its main issue being accuracy, defeats the purpose. Buff wont fix this.

The acolytes rate of fire is trash, its damage compared to other pistols is trash, the accuracy of the gun is trash, its AoE is the same size of an explosives rounds 1 explosion. Its only usefull for what it does, take down shields and barriers. Taking down phantoms is something that can be done with any class, this gun doesn't become awesome because it takes down phantoms, my level 1 human sentinels throw takes down phantoms. What about dragoons? You'd get your azz handed to you EVERYTIME against a pack of dragoons wielding this p.o.s. And if you don't, its because you used powers or someone saved you. And they aren't "tough" as phantoms.

And as for issuing a challenge to someone and backing off. No, you really have me confused with someone else if you think RONNIE THE BACKFLIPPING GORILLA PRINCE OF PERSIA BLASTOFF! backs away from anything.

Lol hurricane crap with stability mod? your crazy. it mows down eveyrthing. i'm away of accruacy (aka spread) compared to stability (aka recoil or kick) i'm not even gonna bother to discuss it with you. I love the CSMG i had a 200k game and 75 SMG kills with it using a TGI and posted it here syaing teh gun is awesome and eveyrone flame dme for it lol but teh hurricane is still way better as a damage dealer. the only thing teh cSMG has is the recharging ammo makes it great for casters as they enevr have to stop dealing damage

and the acolyte is amazing. sure i wouldn't take it as a primary gun on a shooter clas but its low wight emans you can take it as a backup for pahntoms eveyrtime. and on a caster the acolyte is amazing. with Inc ammo you can set off FEs on draghoons like there si no tomorrow. dragoons are easy with any setup

I guess its on 2 sides, I look at whats going to kill an enemy faster. The hurricane is a beast gun, but the spread of the reticule is "reducing" the listed damage of the gun more than some people realize. Try using the gun on a marksman class (quarian for no stability support) set for maxed accuracy, then using the gun without the accuracy build. Its rediculously inaccurate. The CSMG will hit wherever you point it at, and hit there everytime your trigger is pulled. I wish peddro or someone on PC with one of those long list of #s would do an accuracy test on the hurricane Vs CSMG just to show how inaccurate it is. The CSMG @X does 51.5 damage per shot, multipled by 2.5 for headshots your looking at 128.75. Now i'm not saying your going to land 100% headshots, but its more likely a competent person will land more headshots than shots at all with a CSMG vs a hurricane. And the larger distance it is between a person and the target, the more CSMG pulls ahead.

And as for the acolyte, I notice you mention you wouldnt take it as a primary gun on a shooter class. Why is that? Shooter classes specialize in gun buffing. If the acolyte is such a beast "gun" why is it not so great on shooter classes? BECAUSE ITS CRAP and there are BETTER OPTIONS. Like I said, people are confusing this "guns awesomeness" for its combos with powers or teamwork. As you just pointed out yourself.

upinya slayin wrote...

and on a caster (powers, not the gun) the acolyte is amazing. with Inc ammo you can set off
FEs (powers and combos, once again not the p.o.s. freeking gun!) on draghoons like there si no tomorrow. dragoons are easy with any
setup

There are ways to deal with phantoms, once again this gun isn't awesome because it takes care of phantoms. The scorpion also takes out phantoms, and everything around them better than the acolyte does. Talon takes out phantoms, paladin takes out phantoms, if your a guitar player and good with a trigger, the predator takes out phantoms. Don't give credit to the gun if its something else making the gun look good. Its good for 1 thing, taking out shields and barriers.

[upinya slayin]

megabeast37215 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Paynez wrote...

Here are my thoughts for all of the N7 weapons
Valiant: Good weapon, easy to use or beginner snipers. So it has a pretty good niche in the sniper category
Valkyrie: It's a cross between the Harrier and Argus. Since Biower buffed the Headshot damage on it, I reckon it's not that bad in the right hands
Eagle: Some people like it, I haven't used it that much but I can see why people think it's really good now.

Ok now for the 2 big ones.
Hurricane: It's an amazing SMG. Chews through armour, high RoF and is good at all levels. The only downside is it's high recoil and ****** poor accuracy but against large bosses and on TSol that doesn't matter due to the insane amount of lead it pumps out.

Crusader: ohgodwhy. It's outclassed by every rare shotgun. Even if you're amazing at using it and are used to the shot delay thingy, you're better off using a claymore or Wraith. IMO if Biower increased the headshot multiplier to 3x and removed the shot delay thingy, it would be a much better weapon.

THANK YOU!
finally somebody gets the point of the post

The Crusader is the 2nd best Promotional Weapon...

well i'm not gonna argue your opinion, but the idea is not balancing the N7 weapons against each other becuase they are all different types. it was balancing them against their class

the eagle, valkeryie, and valaint are all on par with the rares of their class but not as good as teh URs.
The hurricane blows away the rares and URs in its class
the Crusdaer is not as good as the rares or URs in its class.

that to me means its unbalanced