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[ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L]

upinya slayin wrote...

ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L wrote...

 I stopped taking you seriously when you said the Crusader needs a buff and "damage isn't great".

But the Valiant and Valkyrie are fine? 

it isn't compared to other shotungs. its worse then eevry rare shotgun (except the discple)

the valaint is better then the rare SRs or at least comparable and the valakerie is better then or comparable to the rare ARs

 I must be seeing things when I take my Crusader X on the FQI and wreck everything in sight. 1-2 shotting mooks and shredding through bosses as well. 


Tell you what, you keep thinking the Crusader's damage sucks, whilst thinking the underwhelming, completely outclassed Valiant and Valkyrie are fine. 

At least you think the Hurricane is good.

[TheBMT]

Meh... exclusive weapons to those who complete Ops, should be a bit strong. Otherwise who would care bout doing it?

[ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L]

upinya slayin wrote...

ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

sandboxgod wrote...

Something is just off with the Valiant. Doesn't feel like a sniper rifle. Reloads fast,etc. I guess its okay but its just not fun to use like the Black widow, etc.

I'm gonna agree with this. The black Widow just feels like its a powerfull and deadly weapon. the valaint just kinda feels like a cheap toy.

I still lvoe teh valaint, but the BW is way better IMO

You said the Valiant is pretty close the the Black Widow in the OP. Now the BW is way better and the Valiant is a child's toy. Okay...

And Crusader does pitiful damage... or is it good now?

There's a reason this thing has shield gate like most sniper rifles. (Hint: It's not because it's lacking in damage)

i was talking about the feel of it and perosnal preference. not actual usefullness or damage dealt. The BW just feels and sounds good, like a sniper should, in comparison the valaint feels like a toy. but its irrelvant to its actual abilies in game do yoiu not understand the difference?

it does pitiful damage compared to ther shotguns and it has issues off host landing shots. its a bad shotgun compared to every rare shotgun (except teh desicple)

Here's what I do to make up for its shortcomings (namely the laggy projectile) 

Put it on FQI, Cloak, use Sabotage to make target stationary, destroy target. Rinse and repeat. Can line up headshots all day on mooks like this, and bosses aside from Banshees who are teleporting are easy to headshot anyway.

Also curious, what rank is your Crusader? Which classes have you used it on? Can you line up headshots on stationary targets? 

[upinya slayin]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...


Hurricane still is "crap" with stability mods, I think your confusing accuracy with stability. Accuracy is how pinpoint each shot is compared to the shot before, stability is the recoil and how much the gun kicks. The crosshairs don't reduce in spread when you use stability mods. Only accuracy mods and recoil. And even then, your taking up other precious places for either cyclonic mods for survival or effeciency/power amps. The collector SMG is pinpoint in that little "(  )" reticule. The hurricane spreads like a shotgun while not in cover.

The crusader can have its damage boosted to 2K per shot, it doesn't matter, its "unreliable" for landing on anything but brutes praetorians atlus ravagers and scions. The whole point in using the crusader over another weapon is "headshots" but with its main issue being accuracy, defeats the purpose. Buff wont fix this.

The acolytes rate of fire is trash, its damage compared to other pistols is trash, the accuracy of the gun is trash, its AoE is the same size of an explosives rounds 1 explosion. Its only usefull for what it does, take down shields and barriers. Taking down phantoms is something that can be done with any class, this gun doesn't become awesome because it takes down phantoms, my level 1 human sentinels throw takes down phantoms. What about dragoons? You'd get your azz handed to you EVERYTIME against a pack of dragoons wielding this p.o.s. And if you don't, its because you used powers or someone saved you. And they aren't "tough" as phantoms.

And as for issuing a challenge to someone and backing off. No, you really have me confused with someone else if you think RONNIE THE BACKFLIPPING GORILLA PRINCE OF PERSIA BLASTOFF! backs away from anything.

Lol hurricane crap with stability mod? your crazy. it mows down eveyrthing. i'm away of accruacy (aka spread) compared to stability (aka recoil or kick) i'm not even gonna bother to discuss it with you. I love the CSMG i had a 200k game and 75 SMG kills with it using a TGI and posted it here syaing teh gun is awesome and eveyrone flame dme for it lol but teh hurricane is still way better as a damage dealer. the only thing teh cSMG has is the recharging ammo makes it great for casters as they enevr have to stop dealing damage

and the acolyte is amazing. sure i wouldn't take it as a primary gun on a shooter clas but its low wight emans you can take it as a backup for pahntoms eveyrtime. and on a caster the acolyte is amazing. with Inc ammo you can set off FEs on draghoons like there si no tomorrow. dragoons are easy with any setup

I guess its on 2 sides, I look at whats going to kill an enemy faster. The hurricane is a beast gun, but the spread of the reticule is "reducing" the listed damage of the gun more than some people realize. Try using the gun on a marksman class (quarian for no stability support) set for maxed accuracy, then using the gun without the accuracy build. Its rediculously inaccurate. The CSMG will hit wherever you point it at, and hit there everytime your trigger is pulled. I wish peddro or someone on PC with one of those long list of #s would do an accuracy test on the hurricane Vs CSMG just to show how inaccurate it is. The CSMG @X does 51.5 damage per shot, multipled by 2.5 for headshots your looking at 128.75. Now i'm not saying your going to land 100% headshots, but its more likely a competent person will land more headshots than shots at all with a CSMG vs a hurricane. And the larger distance it is between a person and the target, the more CSMG pulls ahead.

And as for the acolyte, I notice you mention you wouldnt take it as a primary gun on a shooter class. Why is that? Shooter classes specialize in gun buffing. If the acolyte is such a beast "gun" why is it not so great on shooter classes? BECAUSE ITS CRAP and there are BETTER OPTIONS. Like I said, people are confusing this "guns awesomeness" for its combos with powers or teamwork. As you just pointed out yourself.

upinya slayin wrote...

and on a caster (powers, not the gun) the acolyte is amazing. with Inc ammo you can set off
FEs (powers and combos, once again not the p.o.s. freeking gun!) on draghoons like there si no tomorrow. dragoons are easy with any
setup

There are ways to deal with phantoms, once again this gun isn't awesome because it takes care of phantoms. The scorpion also takes out phantoms, and everything around them better than the acolyte does. Talon takes out phantoms, paladin takes out phantoms, if your a guitar player and good with a trigger, the predator takes out phantoms. Don't give credit to the gun if its something else making the gun look good. Its good for 1 thing, taking out shields and barriers.

ready for a good laugh? ok so the CSMG does 128.75 damage per headshot right? just liek you said. the hurricane does a whopping 128.10 per BODY shot. its body shot damage is almsot eaqual to teh CSMG headshot damage.plus it uses 2 bullets per shot so i believe (and i could be wrong) you actually do double the damage per shot. iits multi clip DPS w/o reload cancel is 732.00 the CSMG is 220.71 even if you landed all ehadshots its 551.00 which is worse then a hurricane 1.

the hurricane is by far a better gun the the CSMG and i lvoe the CSMG

and the acolyte is a beast gun.its damage compared to weight is probably the best in game. people who don't realize how beatsly it is obviously don't know how to use it. I sen gollum on a human soldier and no fitness and just an acolte with cryo rounds and CS destroy gold games easily. its not an easy to use gun but it is a beast. if you think the acolyte is only good for shields, you are doing it wrong

[Cyonan]

I would argue that weapons should be compared to weapons that are functionally similar rather than ones that just happen to share the same weapon class name.

I'd say the Crusader should be matched up against the Black Widow rather than the Piranha.

It also needs that firing delay fixed but given that it will probably not be, it should simply be balanced around the fact that it's got one of the steepest learning curves for weapons in the game and punishes rapid target switching.

[RaptorSolutions]

I like the potential of the Crusader, just requires a little more precision than I have. Part of the reason I suck at CS.

[ilaardi]

I´v been running with crusader this week and even though I suck shooting with it I´d say its pretty good gun. It can blast enemies in unique way and for me its par with hurricane now. What comes to promotional weapons in general. I dont know how much those should be buffed or nerfed, but IMO N7 promotional weapons should be best weapons available.

Modifié par ilaardi, 16 février 2013 - 12:08 .

[megabeast37215]

Upinya is just another scrub who hasn't discovered the power of the Crusader...

He's right about one thing though... the Rare Shotguns. It's a pretty elite group, some of the best AND most fun weapons in the game. Raider, Claymore and Reegar specifically... but they out class a lot of weapons. But to say the Crusader can't hang with them is just flat wrong... perhaps when HE uses the Crusader, it can't hang (it is aim/skill dependent)....

[OneMore1968]

Twinkles DeVere 


I think most average people will have Hurricane at a much higher level than CSMG, which again makes the Hurricane the more logical choice. I only have CSMG atlvl 1, & man it's a pain to use. The low ammo makes it very difficult to use, although I hear it's so much better at X. I might dust it off then

I watched Caineghis solo a live Plat match (Twitch) the other day with CSMG paired with Acolyte.  I missed beginning but would assume that he had them at X and he was playing as Asari Valkeryie.  He was just cutting through most stuff.   Banshees and primes included.   It looked decent.

But mine is only lvl II so I don't use it.  

[upinya slayin]

ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L wrote...

 I stopped taking you seriously when you said the Crusader needs a buff and "damage isn't great".

But the Valiant and Valkyrie are fine? 

it isn't compared to other shotungs. its worse then eevry rare shotgun (except the discple)

the valaint is better then the rare SRs or at least comparable and the valakerie is better then or comparable to the rare ARs

 I must be seeing things when I take my Crusader X on the FQI and wreck everything in sight. 1-2 shotting mooks and shredding through bosses as well. 


Tell you what, you keep thinking the Crusader's damage sucks, whilst thinking the underwhelming, completely outclassed Valiant and Valkyrie are fine. 

At least you think the Hurricane is good.

lol when did i say it was outclassed by the valkerye or valient? i never said that at all. way to put words in my mouth

i said its outclased by the wraith, claymore, raider, pirhanna, reegar, GPS, and Graal and it is.

also your using it on an infiltrator giving it a huge damage boost. like i said i scored 170k plus in a FQE with nothing but it and a combat drone. just cause i can do good with it, doesn't mean its a great wapon. its still outclassed by other shotguns

[holdenagincourt]

Cyonan wrote...

it should simply be balanced around the fact that it's got one of the steepest learning curves for weapons in the game and punishes rapid target switching.

I would argue that it punishes being off host/not having a spammable stagger power just as much as that tbh.

Modifié par holdenagincourt, 16 février 2013 - 12:15 .

[megabeast37215]

holdenagincourt wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

it should simply be balanced around the fact that it's got one of the steepest learning curves for weapons in the game and punishes rapid target switching.

I would argue that it punishes being off host more than that tbh.

Aim delay is not host dependent...

[Ronnie Blastoff]

ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L wrote...

Can you line up headshots on stationary targets? 

No one in their right minds would concider there being a better shotgun for taking down targets by headshot. The crusader (1) unbuffed is putting out 1576 damage per "headshot" from the Rio center room all the way over to the wall near the box of shame. (>90m) The claymore/reegar/wraith/raider/pirahna will be lucky to land a single pellet.

The other shotguns only come ahead if your in the crowd or using a choke. This gun completely unmodded or amped is putting out serious numbers, from anywhere on the map AND piercing cover/gaurdian shields while doing it. I really don't get how someone doesn't see the light in that. Mega says this is the 2nd best shotgun in the game. I agree only because this gun is flawed in the performance department. If it worked as it should, there would be no contest.

[Cyonan]

holdenagincourt wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

it should simply be balanced around the fact that it's got one of the steepest learning curves for weapons in the game and punishes rapid target switching.

I would argue that it punishes being off host more than that tbh.

I don't actually notice a different between off or on host with the gun.

[holdenagincourt]

megabeast37215 wrote...

holdenagincourt wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

it should simply be balanced around the fact that it's got one of the steepest learning curves for weapons in the game and punishes rapid target switching.

I would argue that it punishes being off host more than that tbh.

Aim delay is not host dependent...

I know that. But when aim delay is combined with enemies being 0.3 seconds away from where they actually seem to be, it's exacerbated.

[ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L]

upinya slayin wrote...

ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L wrote...

 I stopped taking you seriously when you said the Crusader needs a buff and "damage isn't great".

But the Valiant and Valkyrie are fine? 

it isn't compared to other shotungs. its worse then eevry rare shotgun (except the discple)

the valaint is better then the rare SRs or at least comparable and the valakerie is better then or comparable to the rare ARs

 I must be seeing things when I take my Crusader X on the FQI and wreck everything in sight. 1-2 shotting mooks and shredding through bosses as well. 


Tell you what, you keep thinking the Crusader's damage sucks, whilst thinking the underwhelming, completely outclassed Valiant and Valkyrie are fine. 

At least you think the Hurricane is good.

lol when did i say it was outclassed by the valkerye or valient? i never said that at all. way to put words in my mouth

i said its outclased by the wraith, claymore, raider, pirhanna, reegar, GPS, and Graal and it is.

also your using it on an infiltrator giving it a huge damage boost. like i said i scored 170k plus in a FQE with nothing but it and a combat drone. just cause i can do good with it, doesn't mean its a great wapon. its still outclassed by other shotguns

Learn to read. I'm not comparing the Crusader to the Valkryie or Valiant and did not say you were.   What I am doing is pointing out how funny it is that  you think the Crusader is in need of a buff and has underwhleming damage, yet you think the Valiant is a good sniper rifle, and the Valkyrie is a good AR.

You can prefer other shotguns all you want. Doesn't make the Crusader any less good than it already is. 

[crashmatusow]

Uchimura wrote...

How would you rate the Valk in comparison to Saber?

The valk... Well i think it gets more hate than it deserves, but saber has it by a landslide.

[Drunkencelt]

I love the crusader and the valiant, they are my favorite n7 weapons.

The crusader weights twice as much as it should. Period. Don't tell me the damage justifies the weight. Accuracy doesn't justify weight. The delay isn't a problem. The damage and fact it doesn't break shield gate like other shotguns means it not worth the weight.

The Valiant needs a damage buffs below level 10. The weapon is far too weak until you max it out. No other gun has a worse disparity of damage between levels.

The hurricane is more than fine.

I have no opinion on the Eagle and the Valkyrie is the worst AR I can think of.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

upinya slayin wrote...

ready for a good laugh? ok so the CSMG does 128.75 damage per headshot right? just liek you said. the hurricane does a whopping 128.10 per BODY shot. its body shot damage is almsot eaqual to teh CSMG headshot damage.plus it uses 2 bullets per shot so i believe (and i could be wrong) you actually do double the damage per shot. iits multi clip DPS w/o reload cancel is 732.00 the CSMG is 220.71 even if you landed all ehadshots its 551.00 which is worse then a hurricane 1.

the hurricane is by far a better gun the the CSMG and i lvoe the CSMG

and the acolyte is a beast gun.its damage compared to weight is probably the best in game. people who don't realize how beatsly it is obviously don't know how to use it. I sen gollum on a human soldier and no fitness and just an acolte with cryo rounds and CS destroy gold games easily. its not an easy to use gun but it is a beast. if you think the acolyte is only good for shields, you are doing it wrong

Your looking at #s, but once again, how many of those hurricane shots are you going to land on a husk across the map on FBgiant? How many with the CSMG. How many times are you going to hit the husk in the head with either?

... and once again with the acolyte.

upinya slayin wrote...

I sen gollum on a human soldier and no fitness and just an acolte with cryo rounds and CS destroy gold games easily.

We are once again talking about the awesomeness of the human soldier spamming concussion shot with cryo rounds. We are NOT talking about the acolyte. You can prime targets for cryo explosion with a shiruken. Now if you have a "senario" where you were using the acolyte on a target that doesn't involve you using powers besides adrenaline rush/tac cloak/dev.mode or another weapon performance boosting power/passive, I'll agree with your "claim" the acolyte is as good as your saying. Right now though, I'm thinking you can't see beyond "pug mode" and I'm starting to think this whole thread is just a random pug players bad imput on great weapons they couldn't adapt to.

[upinya slayin]

ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

sandboxgod wrote...

Something is just off with the Valiant. Doesn't feel like a sniper rifle. Reloads fast,etc. I guess its okay but its just not fun to use like the Black widow, etc.

I'm gonna agree with this. The black Widow just feels like its a powerfull and deadly weapon. the valaint just kinda feels like a cheap toy.

I still lvoe teh valaint, but the BW is way better IMO

You said the Valiant is pretty close the the Black Widow in the OP. Now the BW is way better and the Valiant is a child's toy. Okay...

And Crusader does pitiful damage... or is it good now?

There's a reason this thing has shield gate like most sniper rifles. (Hint: It's not because it's lacking in damage)

i was talking about the feel of it and perosnal preference. not actual usefullness or damage dealt. The BW just feels and sounds good, like a sniper should, in comparison the valaint feels like a toy. but its irrelvant to its actual abilies in game do yoiu not understand the difference?

it does pitiful damage compared to ther shotguns and it has issues off host landing shots. its a bad shotgun compared to every rare shotgun (except teh desicple)

Here's what I do to make up for its shortcomings (namely the laggy projectile) 

Put it on FQI, Cloak, use Sabotage to make target stationary, destroy target. Rinse and repeat. Can line up headshots all day on mooks like this, and bosses aside from Banshees who are teleporting are easy to headshot anyway.

Also curious, what rank is your Crusader? Which classes have you used it on? Can you line up headshots on stationary targets? 

infiltrators make anything good. i could slap a katana on an infiltrator and wreck gold. also are you playing on host? cause off host it suffers greatly. i love the kischok while hositng but hate it off host.

also i can do the same with a claymore on the FQI and do more damage and reload cancel so i can fire as many shots as you. also your forgetting that sabotage does backfire damage delayed which may make it appear your doing more damage with your wepaon then you are

and yes i can land headshots pretty easily when i want to.
The point is its not as good as other shotguns and not whether i can sue somehting good its about where it stands compared to other options. there is a difference between balance and skill

[upinya slayin]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Upinya is just another scrub who hasn't discovered the power of the Crusader...

He's right about one thing though... the Rare Shotguns. It's a pretty elite group, some of the best AND most fun weapons in the game. Raider, Claymore and Reegar specifically... but they out class a lot of weapons. But to say the Crusader can't hang with them is just flat wrong... perhaps when HE uses the Crusader, it can't hang (it is aim/skill dependent)....

right cause the 2 game i played with you while not even trying and using a CSR and no milssles the 1st game i got 1st with you and 2 of your firends, and you wwere all suing level X URs and rocketing spwans, then teh 2nd game you used the CSR and barely beat me (i forgot what i was using but no harrier or anythign like that) and again you rocketed 5 spawns i used none and you barely beat me and then said " thats how you CSR"

but yup i'm a scrub

Is that why you hate me soo much?

[megabeast37215]

upinya slayin wrote...
 also are you playing on host? cause off host it suffers greatly.

Wrong again.

Hitscan weapon is hitscan... aim delay does not equal projectile weapon like Kishock.

I'm out of here... this thread is overflowing with idiocy, misinformation, and no one is going to change their mind... why bother....

[Ronnie Blastoff]

Drunkencelt wrote...

I love the crusader and the valiant, they are my favorite n7 weapons.

The crusader weights twice as much as it should. Period. Don't tell me the damage justifies the weight. Accuracy doesn't justify weight. The delay isn't a problem. The damage and fact it doesn't break shield gate like other shotguns means it not worth the weight.

The Valiant needs a damage buffs below level 10. The weapon is far too weak until you max it out. No other gun has a worse disparity of damage between levels.

The hurricane is more than fine.

I have no opinion on the Eagle and the Valkyrie is the worst AR I can think of.

The crusader has built in penetration to justify its weight. And no shotgun breaks shield gate. This gun fires one slug as compared to 8 pellets that most other shotguns do. You aren't breaking shield gate with other shotguns, your hitting the target with a "instant" 8 shots at a time, making it look like your going through shields.

What you don't notice though, is that there is 1 pellet that is actually getting the sheild gate and doing less damage than the other 7 when you shoot a shielded/barriered target. Same goes for shooting armored targets. Each of the 8 shots gets its own DR. So for gold, a gun that does 1000 damage per shot (125 damage per pellet) fully contacting the target without any armor mods will only net you 600 damage (75 damage per pellet).

[upinya slayin]

ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L wrote...

 I stopped taking you seriously when you said the Crusader needs a buff and "damage isn't great".

But the Valiant and Valkyrie are fine? 

it isn't compared to other shotungs. its worse then eevry rare shotgun (except the discple)

the valaint is better then the rare SRs or at least comparable and the valakerie is better then or comparable to the rare ARs

 I must be seeing things when I take my Crusader X on the FQI and wreck everything in sight. 1-2 shotting mooks and shredding through bosses as well. 


Tell you what, you keep thinking the Crusader's damage sucks, whilst thinking the underwhelming, completely outclassed Valiant and Valkyrie are fine. 

At least you think the Hurricane is good.

lol when did i say it was outclassed by the valkerye or valient? i never said that at all. way to put words in my mouth

i said its outclased by the wraith, claymore, raider, pirhanna, reegar, GPS, and Graal and it is.

also your using it on an infiltrator giving it a huge damage boost. like i said i scored 170k plus in a FQE with nothing but it and a combat drone. just cause i can do good with it, doesn't mean its a great wapon. its still outclassed by other shotguns

Learn to read. I'm not comparing the Crusader to the Valkryie or Valiant and did not say you were.   What I am doing is pointing out how funny it is that  you think the Crusader is in need of a buff and has underwhleming damage, yet you think the Valiant is a good sniper rifle, and the Valkyrie is a good AR.

You can prefer other shotguns all you want. Doesn't make the Crusader any less good than it already is. 

sorry i misread it and you were correct. I thought you said i said they were better.

[megabeast37215]

upinya slayin wrote...right cause the 2 game i played with you while not even trying and using a CSR and no milssles the 1st game i got 1st with you and 2 of your firends, and you wwere all suing level X URs and rocketing spwans, then teh 2nd game you used the CSR and barely beat me (i forgot what i was using but no harrier or anythign like that) and again you rocketed 5 spawns i used none and you barely beat me and then said " thats how you CSR"

but yup i'm a scrub

Is that why you hate me soo much?

Stop being butthurt... I was just F-ing with you...

I don't hate you at all... but I do find you hard to take seriously... because of the way you carry yourself on BSN, and because you sound like Elmer Fudd when you talk