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[Kalas Magnus]

Wolfsbladex wrote...

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

Nerf Hurricane and change the name to Tropical Storm.

/thread

agreed.

[Aphid32]

Slightly off topic but remember when the Hurricane sucked?

[Bolo Xia]

i didnt read all 9 pages, so forgive me if i cover something already done.

the eagle IMO, can be one of the best pistols in the game.
its like an smg/assualt rifle that completely destroy's heads.
can say if its used on a destroyer then it could be considered better than alot of other full auto guns, granted the user needs to be slightly good at constant headshots.

also, im one of the few people that wish for an Eagle upgrade every Comm Pack, but just got my Valiant 9 during this Op

the Valiant is a great trash mob disposer, but IMO better for silver not so much a good gold gun tho.
it needs a slight buff IMO, i dont think one clip should down armor or anything like that, but it does take age's to kill armor on gold/plat.

Crusader, if it worked right would probably be pretty good. mostly it misses unless the enemy is traveling directly towards me. ya, i tried leading by a hair but just seems to inefficient for this gun.

hurricane, could argue that it is like the harrier or the reeger, since it has more close range function on most kits. so it has off-sets or cons for being as good as it is.

Valkyrie, ya i dunno i used it once or twice and the shot group from what i remember was kinda goofy.

but anyway, just my opinion so dont set me on fire

[Bolo Xia]

Aphid32 wrote...

Slightly off topic but remember when the Hurricane sucked?

ya i remember when it sucked, it was before the 1st operation was done and it sucked because nobody had it yet.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...
Just looked at your N7 HQ.... Dude, you have no clue what your talking about.

That made as much sense as everything else you said. 

[ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L]

Bolo Xia wrote...

Aphid32 wrote...

Slightly off topic but remember when the Hurricane sucked?

ya i remember when it sucked, it was before the 1st operation was done and it sucked because nobody had it yet.

No, it actually used to suck. Look through the balance changes. The Hurricane has been buffed multiple times since launch. Originally doing 73 damage per shot at I, and just 91 at X. It now now does 128 damage per shot at X and 103 at I. 

In addition to the damage buffs, its recoil was reduced, spare ammo was increased, weight was decreased.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L wrote...

Bolo Xia wrote...

Aphid32 wrote...

Slightly off topic but remember when the Hurricane sucked?

ya i remember when it sucked, it was before the 1st operation was done and it sucked because nobody had it yet.

No, it actually used to suck. Look through the balance changes. The Hurricane has been buffed multiple times since launch. Originally doing 73 damage per shot at I, and just 91 at X. It now now does 128 damage per shot at X and 103 at I. 

In addition to the damage buffs, its recoil was reduced, spare ammo was increased, weight was decreased.

I never knew its original stats (probably didn't have it back then) but I'm really happy with it! 

[Bolo Xia]

ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L wrote...

Bolo Xia wrote...

Aphid32 wrote...

Slightly off topic but remember when the Hurricane sucked?

ya i remember when it sucked, it was before the 1st operation was done and it sucked because nobody had it yet.

No, it actually used to suck. Look through the balance changes. The Hurricane has been buffed multiple times since launch. Originally doing 73 damage per shot at I, and just 91 at X. It now now does 128 damage per shot at X and 103 at I. 

In addition to the damage buffs, its recoil was reduced, spare ammo was increased, weight was decreased.

same thing could be said for everything really, im not sure what hasnt been buffed or nerfed at this point in the game.

plus in the begining, we didnt have all these DLC guns and characters.
so there was only stock game items to be compared to and there will always be some people that thought it sucked reguardless.

but everyone(subjective) wanted a hurricane after it 1st came out, because even with its low damage it was a powerhouse given what we had at the time.

add: enemies have been buffed over the duration of the game as well, so it would have to be compared damage wise to the enemy stats of back then.

also the pirahna got buffed to, when it didnt need it. so just because the hurricane recieved buffs doesnt mean it sucked.

Modifié par Bolo Xia, 16 février 2013 - 08:13 .

[Omnifarious Nef]

Remove the firing delay, and I may actually find a use for my Crusader X.

[ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L]

Bolo Xia wrote...

ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L wrote...

Bolo Xia wrote...

Aphid32 wrote...

Slightly off topic but remember when the Hurricane sucked?

ya i remember when it sucked, it was before the 1st operation was done and it sucked because nobody had it yet.

No, it actually used to suck. Look through the balance changes. The Hurricane has been buffed multiple times since launch. Originally doing 73 damage per shot at I, and just 91 at X. It now now does 128 damage per shot at X and 103 at I. 

In addition to the damage buffs, its recoil was reduced, spare ammo was increased, weight was decreased.

same thing could be said for everything really, im not sure what hasnt been buffed or nerfed at this point in the game.

plus in the begining, we didnt have all these DLC guns and characters.
so there was only stock game items to be compared to and there will always be some people that thought it sucked reguardless.

but everyone(subjective) wanted a hurricane after it 1st came out, because even with its low damage it was a powerhouse given what we had at the time.

add: enemies have been buffed over the duration of the game as well, so it would have to be compared damage wise to the enemy stats of back then.

also the pirahna got buffed to, when it didnt need it. so just because the hurricane recieved buffs doesnt mean it sucked.

It obviously wasn't buffed this much because it was great at the time. Multiple buffs typically mean the weapon was underwhelming. Bioware did the same thing with the Wraith, turning it from a practical joke of a UR to one of the best shotguns in the game.

The Hurricane is fine as is now, but for a UR SMG, its initial stats were definitely not that great. Throw in more recoil and you've got a weapon that isn't anywhere near as appealing then as it is now.

Modifié par ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L, 16 février 2013 - 08:34 .

[HeartBreak301]

Only read the OP.

Honestly I think the Eagle is a really good weapon. Mine's only level 3 and I find it to be a perfectly viable weapon for most characters. The thing is incredibly light and has a pretty good damage output so it's a great gun for casters like my Human Engineers. I just keep plinking away while spamming overload/incinerate.

I also find it to be a pretty good weapon on my Geth Infiltrator for when the Piranha doesn't suit the situation (holding an upload) and I need a good all range weapon. With the fire rate and damage buffs that Hunter Mode gives it makes the thing better than any SMG at long range (has next to no recoil so I'm counting it above the Hornet in that regard). And as I mentioned earlier it weighs next to nothing so I'm really not losing anything by bringing it with me.

Just my two cents.

[Twinkles DeVere]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...
Just looked at your N7 HQ.... Dude, you have no clue what your talking about.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]

That made as much sense as everything else you said. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

Jeremiah - how dare you be reasonable on BSN !

Don't you know that everyones opinion is FACT round here!

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Twinkles DeVere wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...
Just looked at your N7 HQ.... Dude, you have no clue what your talking about.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]

That made as much sense as everything else you said. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

Jeremiah - how dare you be reasonable on BSN !

Don't you know that everyones opinion is FACT round here!

I promise I'll never do it again.
:innocent:

[upinya slayin]

[quote]ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L wrote...

[/quote]You are not going to wreck on Gold with a Katana the same way you could with a Crusader or any other rare/UR shotgun. Period. And don't hit me with the 'but anything is good on an Infiltrator' crap. What a pathetic argument. I want to get the most out of the weapon just like pretty much any other shotgun, so I use them primarily on Infiltrators. How dare I use weapons how I want to. <_<

I play off host all the time. Don't have a problem with projectiles missing because I primarily use it on a class that negates that weakness. But even when I am aiming at a moving target, I typically hit them because I can actually aim. (Not saying you or anyone else that dislikes the gun can't) It's not like trying to hit something with the Kishock off host, though. Not even close. 
[/quote]

i'm not saing the gun sucks. what i'm saying is that its not as good as any of the other rare shotguns, while the other N7 weapons are as good or better then their rare ****erparts.

also i'm not syaing don't use it on an infiltrator. I'm saying you can't really judge a gun based on an infiltrator because TC makes eveyrthing better

[upinya slayin]

megabeast37215 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...
lol wans't it you in another thread who replaied to somehting i worte with "ignore him cause he';s an idoit and thats why all of BSN ahtes him" cause if it wasn't you, then sorry for the accusation.

and lol at elmer fudd, i never heard that one before.

It was... but what I said was "Stop trying to match wits with the PC guys, they always make you look like an idiot (which is true)." I also said "I know people who have never even met you that hate you because you look like such an ass on BSN (also true)."

You often make console players look bad... with your mouth, not your ME3 abilities...

as far as the PC guys i turned out right. there guns were doing more damage then we get on the 360 but it wasn't cause they were cheating, it was becuase they were playing at higher framerate and apprently the weapon damage scales with framerate. who could have really guessed that?

And i can really care less what a few strangers on the internet think of me so it doens't bother me in the least if someone thinks an idoit makes me lok like an idoit lol

and also people who haven't met me that hate me? of course its the internet and if you post as much as i do and have opinions there will always be people that hate you. there are people who hate you and the PC players and invaderone and caineghis etc etc. thats what happens when you post in the internet. i can honestly care less.

as far as my mouth goes, i just state my opinion on things, if people don't like it too bad. nothing i can do about it so i ignore it. for eevry idoit that hates me cause my mouth i wind up getting like 5 friends requests everytime i go back and forth with someone hating me and messages telling me to ignore them cause there being stupid. there is always 2 sides to everything 

[upinya slayin]

JohnShades wrote...

I have to disagree with buffing the Csmg, that gun is perfect the way it is. Yes, the hurricane is a monster at close range, or with a select combination of mods and kits, but the Csmg trumps it easily at mid to long range with only the clip extender required.

The Csmg excels where all other smgs fail, and that would be against armor, which gives it a niche that no other smg inhabits. Throw in the fact that the Csmg has no recoil and more importantly no reticle bloom, and you have a devestating long range smg that gets consistent headshots with ease and melts boss armor.

The fact that the Csmg shoots that fast without straying off target is just plain scary, and if you gave it any more damage it would completely outclass just about every weapon in the game. (oh and I almost forgot, 200% cooldown for casters, nuff said)

the hurricane does as much damage with a body shot as the CSMG does with a headshot FYI. its only like a .65 damage difference per shot and the hurricane higher ROF means it pumps out more shots

[upinya slayin]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

The shuriken doens't have an AOE primer effect thats near 100% (if not 100%) and strips shields to rpime shielded enemies in 1 shot.

And i don't play pugs. rarely ever did. i always played with friends and most of my friends are better then average to elite players

Catch the ball slayin, thats not the point I was making. The acolyte in itself is TRASH. You keep bring up instances where your using powers/combos/ teamwork and giving credit to the acolyte. When in reality, you could be using some other weapon and doing just as good if not better. Unless the entire enemy faction is shielded/barriered, the acolyte will be trash. You ever soloed an atlus on gold using just the acolyte with no powers at all? How about a prime? The gun is complete GARBAGE for putting work in. The AoE effect of the gun is ~1 -1.5m's as well. Not something I even notice half the time. And its definetly not anywhere near 100% priming effect. No gun besides the scorpion (as far as I know, I may be wrong) is 100% at inflicting an ammo power on target. And the acolyte isn't very reliable at doing it either.

crashmatusow wrote...

Stop trying rationalize all shotguns not breaking shield gate. They effectively do, except crusader.

Not trying to rationalize anything, just stating whats actually going on rather than spreading BS lies and misinformation "thinking" I'm knowing what I'm talking about. No shotguns "break" shield gate. Its a fact. If you can pull up some proof of me being wrong with evidence that actually backs up something outside of my post about game mechanics, I'll be glad to invest my braincells.

the acolyte like many lightweight guns is made to me used in combo with powers. its not trash. there is never not a reason to take it even as a secondary weapon. that and the scorpion are the best phantom killers and the acoylte is lighter and does more damage to shields then any gun except the reegar. and the reegar has limited range while the acolyate doens't and can be banked off walls to hit enemies in cover. the gun is an amazing gun not trash. just cause it doens't mow down enemies like a harrier doens't make it trash

and shotguns ignore shildgate becuase they have multiple pellets. the crusader doesn't cause its a single slug

[upinya slayin]

shivyshivy wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

so every challenge nets you 1 of 5 weapons. Lets see how they stack. In my opinion the N7 wepaosn should not be as good as URs but should be = to or better then their rare counterparts. This can be discussed as well if you'd like

Valkeryie - Its about equal to the argus if not a little better. not even close to the harrier, typhoon, or PPR though. I don't care fo it personally but i think it fits nicely into that spot

Valiant - Better then all the rare SRs IMO (harpoon, widow, etc) but not as good as the BW but pretty close. Hard to compare to the javelin but i don't think tis as good as the javelin but wouldn't argue if people like it better. fits nicely

Crusdaer - nedes a buff badly. Its outclassed by several rare shoguns (claymore, reegar, GPS, Graal, Pirhanna, etc) and outclassed by the wraith. It should at leats be able to compete with the rares but doens't. its too heavy, damage isn't great, doens't bypass shieldgate, has a bad ROF, and off host is difficult to make shots. This gun needs works and is probably the worst N7 wepaon by far

Eagle - Outclassed by the best pistols (acolyte and talon) but is unique as its the only automatic pistol and has the largets clip and does decent damage. its better then most SMGs as well. its uniqeness and the fact its better then a carnifex and even paladin on most set ups to me makes it fit nicely

Hurricane - here is the big one, this gun is possibly overall the best gun in the game on some kits. on a turian soldier no gun has the damage output. slap on a stability mod, AP rounds, and the mag and hjeat sink mods and OMG. you can fire forever and mow down bosses. it ouclasses every SMG by far including the UR CSMG. and due to this it mkaes eveyr N7 wepaon look bad. It does have alot of drawbacks though. small clip (20 bullets since it fires 2 per shot) high recoil, no built in AP. but with the right mods becomes insanely good.

Now i don't like nerfs personally so i'm not gonna call for a hurricane nerf, but to balance it out I think the CSMG shuld get a nice damage buff. I love the gun as is but it is outclassed by the hurricane in most situatioins. also the other N7 weapons need a buff to make them more even with the hurricane.

Stability mod on Turian Soldier. Why?

i meant stability armor bonus. for the extra 30% i use mag and heat sink mods

[upinya slayin]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Catch the ball slayin, thats not the point I was making. The acolyte in itself is TRASH

<snip>

Not trying to rationalize anything, just stating whats actually going on rather than spreading BS lies and misinformation "thinking" I'm knowing what I'm talking about.

<snip>

Just wanted to juxtapose those two statements in the same post.

Upinya Slayin does have a discussion going on about the relationship between UR weapons, R weapons, and Promotional Weapons, and whether they have a consistent balance.

He has been pretty clear about when it's his opinion, and when it's a mathematically reproducible comparison. Like anyone else will over time, he'll run up against some gray areas there.

I've found a lot of the contributions to this thread by people illuminating. And most of them are also being clear about the difference between opinion and fact.

The Hurricane is CRAP is not a mathematically reproducible fact. I am better with the Hurricane than you are. That is probably a fact.

The Acolyte is TRASH is not a mathematically reproducible fact. I am better with an Acolyte than you are. That is probably a fact.

I don't like the Black Widow compared to the Valiant, because it slows my character down, and I prefer fast characters. That's an opinion. Note: I didn't say the Black Widow was CRAP because I happen not to prefer it.

+1 internet. somebody gets it

[upinya slayin]

Invader Nemesis wrote...

You say not to nerf the Hurricane cuz you know I will hunt you down D:< I will bring my wrath down upon you Slayin. And you better hope I'm not drunk when I do it.

But yes buff the CSMG please.

bring your wrath on me? that sounds hot :wub:

[upinya slayin]

Pr1meSh0ck wrote...

Op, your argument is bad and you should feel bad.
In the original post you have called out that the n7 weapons are worse than the ur weapons and want them to be better but you also call for a buff to the the csmg to be as good as the hurricane. So you want n7 weapons to be as good as and better than ur weapons as well as this one ur weapon to be as good as an n7 weapon???

Grammar aside your argument for better n7 weapons falls flat unless you can provide a single solution not a solution and a buff to this weapon only.

Also you forget the valiant has a much higher rate of fire than the the bw and javelin and an extremely fast reload speed. The crusader has pin point accuracy so you are not losing damage because of spread, this works beautifully well at medium range. The eagle is the only full auto pistol with a large clip and decent enough damage to allow for a few misses. You miss with the talons and you will know about it. The valkyrie is a good suppressive weapon designed not for massive damage to armour but to take down shields and health, it's also a lot more accurate than the typhoon and Harrier and doesn't burn through ammo as quickly. And the hurricane is beautiful so leave it.

the argument is based on where they stand in their class the hurricane is OP and the crusater is underwhelming. the hurricane should really get a nerf but i didn't want to say that cause then this trhead would have been an F-U slayin thread lol its too powerfull compared to other SMGs. 

[upinya slayin]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Catch the ball slayin, thats not the point I was making. The acolyte in itself is TRASH

<snip>

Not trying to rationalize anything, just stating whats actually going on rather than spreading BS lies and misinformation "thinking" I'm knowing what I'm talking about.

<snip>

Just wanted to juxtapose those two statements in the same post.

Upinya Slayin does have a discussion going on about the relationship between UR weapons, R weapons, and Promotional Weapons, and whether they have a consistent balance.

He has been pretty clear about when it's his opinion, and when it's a mathematically reproducible comparison. Like anyone else will over time, he'll run up against some gray areas there.

I've found a lot of the contributions to this thread by people illuminating. And most of them are also being clear about the difference between opinion and fact.

The Hurricane is CRAP is not a mathematically reproducible fact. I am better with the Hurricane than you are.  That is probably a fact.

The Acolyte is TRASH is not a mathematically reproducible fact. I am better with an Acolyte than you are. :huh: That is probably a fact.

I don't like the Black Widow compared to the Valiant, because it slows my character down, and I prefer fast characters. That's an opinion. Note: I didn't say the Black Widow was CRAP because I happen not to prefer it.

I'm guessing your so much better than me, even though you have no clue how I get down and most likely will never get the opportunity, that you completely missed the " "s i used when I said "crap." Thats probably a fact.

The acolyte being trash is reporducible. lol you like upinya are most likely so blinded by combo powers and/or being carried by your squad to notice how flipping worthless the gun is (compared to other guns in same slot) on anything besides s/b.

As for what weapons I perfer, it has nothing to do with my opinions/facts. I actually use the acolyte on half my kits, and its the main reason I go to say its trash. Its not good for anything but taking down shields and barriers. Thats not my opinon, its the opinon of anyone who has enough pathways doing sparkly things in their brains to realize that there are better guns to do what they "think" an acolyte is doing.

And lets see you pull up some "mathmaticaly reproducible" (notice I used quotations again)... evidence of the crusader NEEDEDING a nerf besides someone B/C about them basically not being able to use it. Or that the hurricane is accurate enough to land more than 1 bullet on a target more than 90 meters away, WITHOUT the aid of a power/mod.

What I say is my opinon btw, no argument there, but it being my opinion doesn't mean its not a FACT. And FACT is,

Hurricane although beastly can't hit a target (compared to the CSMG) at a great distance away.

The acolyte works s/b incredibly, and other targets that would be crushed by a level 1 pheonix's lash. (phantoms,mooks, basically targets with red health) BUT its a horrible weapon VS anything with armor. (once again, I'd love to see someone taking down the usuall ceberus pack of Dragoons with it (in a "respectible and timely way"), without the aid of powers/combos/teamwork, thus giving credit to the gun and not confusing it with the gun.)

And just so we are clear, there is no way you can be better than me... simply because I unlike 99% of the idiots playing this game promote and realize that no matter what you think your doing/could do to prove your better than I am, I'm getting the XP and credits to promote and boost my e-peen. While you, most likely choose to stay at level 20 and spread the BS excuse "no reason to promote," due to you not being able to cut playing as anything besides a level 20, aren't getting anything besides credits. (And in the case you ever did have the opportunity to prove me otherwise, an azzwhoopin)





Just looked at your N7 HQ.... Dude, you have no clue what your talking about.

lol N7 HQ means someone knows how to play? yet you say i don't and mines maxed? contridiciton much?

also yes you challenged caineghis and got owned i remember now. he posted the video and i saw how you get down...or should i say downed 

I don't get carried thank you very much, not to mention my own youtube channel, speed run touraments and other things. anyone who is around BSN long enough knows i'm a good player. your acusations are laughable

[upinya slayin]

Twinkles DeVere wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...
Just looked at your N7 HQ.... Dude, you have no clue what your talking about.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]

That made as much sense as everything else you said. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

Jeremiah - how dare you be reasonable on BSN !

Don't you know that everyones opinion is FACT round here!

lol so true. my opinion is your awesome....wait thats a fact

[briancruzdmb728]

They should turn the crusader into buffalo wings and the hurricane into blue cheese! What a great mix! Now we just need beer!

[LuckyBullet95]

Christ I hope Ronnie Blastoff doesn't breed. The guys is an idiot and the sooner he and people like him are sterilised for their stupidity is the day I begin restoring my faith in humanity.

The only weapons that are in any way "Bad" are the GPR, GPSMG and the common weapons (though arguments can be made for the Mantis and Predator). Anyone stating otherwise either hasn't used the gun or is trying to shoot himself in the face with it (why else would it be "weak"). Also anyone who doesn't know the difference between objectivity and subjectivity, clearing doesn't know what he's talking about as otherwise he would have made an actual argument rather than saying "they suck LULz".

Also worth noting is that every gun is Gold Viable on the more weapon-centric classes. My oen opinion is that I don't like the single shot Pistols or any burst fire weaopns, doesn't make them bad, just means I don't like the mechanics behind it.

Modifié par LuckyBullet95, 17 février 2013 - 07:31 .