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[Zero132132]

billy the squid wrote...

Heri wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Facepalm.

No, no, no, no. It goes towards other company finance projects, servicing debts, overhead costs, expenses, new development projects. It does NOT go to a new DLC or cash fund to make new DLC.  This is how Company finance and accounts work.

Oh, so you're an accountant for BW? Great, thanks for the insider knowledge.

I have studied and know business and commercial law. Had to do tax, accountancy. Know company finance and how company's work due to my involvement in financial transactions, market investing and economics.

So yes I do know how internal company finance works and there's only so many ways that a company functions, paticular a PLC. 

In short I know, you don't, so keep your mouth shut before you make a big fool of yourself.

It makes the prospect of releasing free DLC more profitable. Who gives a **** about the specifics of where each dollar goes? It still means that in terms of intelligent decision-making, there's at least some incentive to produce more. What happens to cash from microtransactions in terms of specific project has absolutely no impact on that simple, simple reality.

[Savage Baird]

So many "enjoy the game the way I enjoy it" and "play the game the way I see it's supposed to be played" people in here.

[YouAreHorse]

Savage Baird wrote...

So many "enjoy the game the way I enjoy it" and "play the game the way I see it's supposed to be played" people in here.

Fascinating and sad, right?

[billy the squid]

Heri wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

I have studied and know business and comercial law. Had to do tax, accountancy. Know company finance and how company's work due to my involvement in financial transactions, market investing and economics.

So yes I do know how internal company finance works and there's only so many ways that a company functions, paticular a PLC. 

In short I know, you don't, so keep your mouth shut before you make a big fool of yourself.

Compelling argument from authority backed up by...exactly zero proof of anything. Personally I think you know jack ****, so I think I'll keep talking, mister Internet Tough Guy.

Think it through. They're going to keep the initial profits from the same of ME3 in a cash fund to produce DLC, earning a pitance rate if interest. Until they determine when to drop another DLC based on what? So where is the money coming from to pay of company debts, service the leverage, pay dividends, fund projects, pay overheads, pay expenses? The faries? You really have no idea how Comanies work do you? There are laws that govern reporting, finance, and accountancy proceedures which they, as a PLC must adhere to 

What is apparant is I am more educated in these matters than you. it's common sense and logic. You don't need my degree in those specifics to put two and two together. Well most of us don't.

Thin through what you said. EA has sat on the millions of pounds and is using it for DLC, and that's it. True business mind you have there.

[Savage Baird]

YouAreHorse wrote...

Savage Baird wrote...

So many "enjoy the game the way I enjoy it" and "play the game the way I see it's supposed to be played" people in here.

Fascinating and sad, right?

[YouAreHorse]

billy the squid wrote...

What is apparant is I am more educated in these matters than you. it's common sense and logic. You don't need my degree in those specifics to put two and two together. Well most of us don't.

You, Sir, is a comedic genious! Keep 'em coming!

[billy the squid]

Zero132132 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Heri wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Facepalm.

No, no, no, no. It goes towards other company finance projects, servicing debts, overhead costs, expenses, new development projects. It does NOT go to a new DLC or cash fund to make new DLC.  This is how Company finance and accounts work.

Oh, so you're an accountant for BW? Great, thanks for the insider knowledge.

I have studied and know business and commercial law. Had to do tax, accountancy. Know company finance and how company's work due to my involvement in financial transactions, market investing and economics.

So yes I do know how internal company finance works and there's only so many ways that a company functions, paticular a PLC. 

In short I know, you don't, so keep your mouth shut before you make a big fool of yourself.

It makes the prospect of releasing free DLC more profitable. Who gives a **** about the specifics of where each dollar goes? It still means that in terms of intelligent decision-making, there's at least some incentive to produce more. What happens to cash from microtransactions in terms of specific project has absolutely no impact on that simple, simple reality.

I know, that's why it's dumb to assert that EA is sitting on cash stock piles and releasing it incrementally for DLC of ME3. You don't need a degree in a certain discipline to realise they aren't it's common sense.

As to the microtransactions. I don't like the store a huge amount as it does tend to push people towards spending money. But, if people have the money or are willing to put in the time, then whatever. Personally I don't always have the time, I'm fairly busy in the week. So if I drop cash, that costs me the equivalent of a sandwich  and a drink, meh. No skin off my nose.

[YouAreHorse]

Modifié par YouAreHorse, 16 février 2013 - 11:05 .

[Zero132132]

billy the squid wrote...

Heri wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

I have studied and know business and comercial law. Had to do tax, accountancy. Know company finance and how company's work due to my involvement in financial transactions, market investing and economics.

So yes I do know how internal company finance works and there's only so many ways that a company functions, paticular a PLC. 

In short I know, you don't, so keep your mouth shut before you make a big fool of yourself.

Compelling argument from authority backed up by...exactly zero proof of anything. Personally I think you know jack ****, so I think I'll keep talking, mister Internet Tough Guy.

Think it through. They're going to keep the initial profits from the same of ME3 in a cash fund to produce DLC, earning a pitance rate if interest. Until they determine when to drop another DLC based on what? So where is the money coming from to pay of company debts, service the leverage, pay dividends, fund projects, pay overheads, pay expenses? The faries? You really have no idea how Comanies work do you? There are laws that govern reporting, finance, and accountancy proceedures which they, as a PLC must adhere to 

What is apparant is I am more educated in these matters than you. it's common sense and logic. You don't need my degree in those specifics to put two and two together. Well most of us don't.

Thin through what you said. EA has sat on the millions of pounds and is using it for DLC, and that's it. True business mind you have there.

Explain one thing; are you claiming that microtransactions provide no economic incentive for more free MP DLC, or very specifically that the money earned by them doesn't probably go towards one specific project based on where it came from?

[Zero132132]

billy the squid wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Heri wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Facepalm.

No, no, no, no. It goes towards other company finance projects, servicing debts, overhead costs, expenses, new development projects. It does NOT go to a new DLC or cash fund to make new DLC.  This is how Company finance and accounts work.

Oh, so you're an accountant for BW? Great, thanks for the insider knowledge.

I have studied and know business and commercial law. Had to do tax, accountancy. Know company finance and how company's work due to my involvement in financial transactions, market investing and economics.

So yes I do know how internal company finance works and there's only so many ways that a company functions, paticular a PLC. 

In short I know, you don't, so keep your mouth shut before you make a big fool of yourself.

It makes the prospect of releasing free DLC more profitable. Who gives a **** about the specifics of where each dollar goes? It still means that in terms of intelligent decision-making, there's at least some incentive to produce more. What happens to cash from microtransactions in terms of specific project has absolutely no impact on that simple, simple reality.

I know, that's why it's dumb to assert that EA is sitting on cash stock piles and releasing it incrementally for DLC of ME3. You don't need a degree in a certain discipline to realise they aren't it's common sense.

As to the microtransactions. I don't like the store a huge amount as it does tend to push people towards spending money. But, if people have the money or are willing to put in the time, then whatever. Personally I don't always have the time, I'm fairly busy in the week. So if I drop cash, that costs me the equivalent of a sandwich  and a drink, meh. No skin off my nose.

Ah. My mistake. I think I misunderstood what you were saying.

I don't think people mean "pay for future DLC" in a literal sense, and that seems to be what you're disputing.

And yeah, I'm in the same boat, money-wise. I let myself have one impulse-buy a week if it's less than what I earn in an hour, and when I first started playing the MP, sometimes that did go to microtransactions.

[Saints]

http://www.grandprofile.com/Myspace_Comments/Friend_Comments/images/Why-Can't-We-Just-Be-Friends.gif?

[billy the squid]

Zero132132 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Heri wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

I have studied and know business and comercial law. Had to do tax, accountancy. Know company finance and how company's work due to my involvement in financial transactions, market investing and economics.

So yes I do know how internal company finance works and there's only so many ways that a company functions, paticular a PLC. 

In short I know, you don't, so keep your mouth shut before you make a big fool of yourself.

Compelling argument from authority backed up by...exactly zero proof of anything. Personally I think you know jack ****, so I think I'll keep talking, mister Internet Tough Guy.

Think it through. They're going to keep the initial profits from the same of ME3 in a cash fund to produce DLC, earning a pitance rate if interest. Until they determine when to drop another DLC based on what? So where is the money coming from to pay of company debts, service the leverage, pay dividends, fund projects, pay overheads, pay expenses? The faries? You really have no idea how Comanies work do you? There are laws that govern reporting, finance, and accountancy proceedures which they, as a PLC must adhere to 

What is apparant is I am more educated in these matters than you. it's common sense and logic. You don't need my degree in those specifics to put two and two together. Well most of us don't.

Thin through what you said. EA has sat on the millions of pounds and is using it for DLC, and that's it. True business mind you have there.

Explain one thing; are you claiming that microtransactions provide no economic incentive for more free MP DLC, or very specifically that the money earned by them doesn't probably go towards one specific project based on where it came from?

No, no, no. Sorry if that was unclear.

Micro transaction DO induce EA to keep creating DLC. As to what they consider profitable. I don't know what their internal servicing figures dictate should be the average return each month, but how the game is performing in the long run, certainly  will have an effect on future patches, DLC etc. as they have to have a team working on it to create it and that's an expense.

I am saying that the money from a paticular project like ME3 does not go only to ME3 related DLC etc.(ie: one specific project) I tried to make that point in my first post. That was my point.

[aliencollector]

for packs no. But for omega dlc,Alternate Appearance pack1,Firefight pack yes.
Foolish to write this but i think a lot of people use cheatengine for credits.

[Linkinator]

if i have a few 100 spare Microsoft points left over and xbox hasn't released any good arcade games in awhile then yes

Modifié par Linkinator, 16 février 2013 - 11:20 .

[pmac_tk421]

DullahansXMark wrote...

pmac_tk421 wrote...

I don't. I'm not wasting money on stuff I can get by playing the game I enjoy. If they want to though, go ahead. Those boys at Bioware deserve a pay-raise for how awesome ME3 was(yes, I just said it. I think ME3 is the best game of the decade. Kill me if you must.)

Ah that pic brings back memories. Unfortunately for you, the planes were already en route. Bye!
*explosions*

[billy the squid]

Heri wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Think it through. They're going to keep the initial profits from the same of ME3 in a cash fund to produce DLC, earning a pitance rate if interest. Until they determine when to drop another DLC based on what? So where is the money coming from to pay of company debts, service the leverage, pay dividends, fund projects, pay overheads, pay expenses? The faries? You really have no idea how Comanies work do you? There are laws that govern reporting, finance, and accountancy proceedures which they, as a PLC must adhere to 

What is apparant is I am more educated in these matters than you. it's common sense and logic. You don't need my degree in those specifics to put two and two together. Well most of us don't.

Thin through what you said. EA has sat on the millions of pounds and is using it for DLC, and that's it. True business mind you have there.

Yeah I have thought it through, and I'm pretty sure it's possible that BW could have budgeted for the DLCs based on the estimated income from sales of the game.

I'm also pretty sure that whatever "degree" you have didn't come from any kind of reputable institution. Shoving as many tehnical terms as you can into one post doesn't make you look smart, it makes you look like you read a book once and are regurgitating as much as you can to try and intimidate those you argue against. Unfortunately that won't work with me, and like I said before I'm pretty sure you know jack ****. Done with this thread - peace out.

Confidence born of ignornace. 

The points you missed them. Badly. As does your line of thought fall flat.The terms, you mean refering to things by their actual name, is not correct? How shocking! I'll remember not to use big people words round you next time. We'll start with 2+2 = 4

Edit: Budgeted for the DLC certainly. Any sane accountancy department would. But if you think cash from the original game's release is sitting in an account somewhere with BioWare DLC tagged on it 11 months later. I'm questioning how you came up with that,  disregarding every single expense and overhead I mentioned.

Modifié par billy the squid, 16 février 2013 - 11:33 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Oh look, one of the idiots who really believe MP is free.

Yeah, I remember getting a couple dozen free ME3 disks in the mail over the last couple of years... oh wait, that was AOL

Buying the game covers MP costs - just look at the big games like BF, CoD, TF2, etc.

My opinion: I never bought any packs, and stopped playing due to egregious monetisation (I noticed that I was playing only for the credits and not actually enjoying the game)

[-Sxx-]

Paid money on sp dlc recently. Bought all the decent me2 and all of the 3 dlc lol. Just decided to as I'm replaying. I like to think I've helped the dlc fund. I don't see me buying packs for mp though, unless they're really significant, which I doubt they will be. Gonna get the new sp dlc though. Might use the remaining points if I can be bothered.

saints 944 wrote...

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Gonna save this image lol

Modifié par Dest1ny, 16 février 2013 - 11:30 .

[roger_doger92]

I usually buy one or two PSP's every month or two. I have no problem paying such a small fee for something that I enjoy and use so much. I would say I got my money's worth.

[EchoBeam]

Seeing how the only point of playing multiplayer is for items, just simply buying them defeats the purpose of the multiplayer entirely.

[Savage Baird]

EchoBeam wrote...

Seeing how the only point of playing multiplayer is for items, just simply buying them defeats the purpose of the multiplayer entirely.

So at the very beginning, maybe the demo, all you wanted to play for was a weapon or gear upgrade?

lol

[CrimsonN7]

I've paid for the SP DLCs but I won't drop my money into MP, I'll play and earn it instead.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

billy the squid wrote...

Heri wrote...

Schachmatt wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

I shed no tears for those dumb enough to pay for my DLC.

Oh look, one of the idiots who really believe MP is free.

Thank you to all of you who spend money. Without you there would be no 'free' dlc and probably no MP at all anymore

Oh really? How in-depth of a view do you have into BW/EA's finances, pray tell? Because the "no people paying extra = no free DLC" argument gets bandied around a LOT here, and yet I'm pretty sure you have no idea if that's true or not. You do know that BW made a lot of money from the outright sales of ME3, right? Do you think it's conceivable that the money they made there was more than enough to pay for the MP DLCs, and that the money people spend in the store is pure profit for them? Maybe?

Facepalm.

No, no, no, no. It goes towards other company finance projects, servicing debts, overhead costs, expenses, new development projects. It does NOT go to a new DLC or cash fund to make new DLC.  This is how Company finance and accounts work.

If you think you're getting a DLC for free you're a moron. The support comes so long as the game remains profitable. The money that came from the initial sale is gone, finito, zip, poof! It's been used for other purposes.

Will they keep supporting ME3 MP? Probably, they may very well use it as a test bed for ME4 MP, towards the end of it's life. But, it is dependant on how profitable it remains.

Edit:

Yes I have dropped some money on the release of new DLCs, mainly left over from other game purchases. so maybe £20 over 11 months since release.

Thank you for posting this, billy.  Some people just don't get it.