202 Antworten in diesem Thema

[clennon8]

This is one of those renegade things that's in the game just for the lulz, basically. There's absolutely no sane logic to allowing Samara to kill herself for her daughter, and then killing her daughter.

[darkmikasonfire]

They only dematerialize in MP, play the SP again and you'll see their bodies all over the place.

[Whybother]

That doesn't excuse her being so impolite. She should hold herself together, there's a war on.

[SDW]

o Ventus wrote...

I would be too. There is literally zero reason to kill Falere.

As an Ardat-Yakshi, she could start behaving like her sister Morinth.
All we have if we leave her alive is her word and that it's unlikely she will be found on a far-off planet like Lesuss.

(No, I didn't kill her either. Found her convincing. But that's also because that kind of paragon decisions has never come back to haunt my Shepard ... in real life, you'd never know for sure ...)

[TheCrazyHobo]

The Codex states that the they round up dead and living people, impale them and make husks. Killing does nothing to stop the Reapers from making more Banshees.

[Whybother]

TheCrazyHobo wrote...

The Codex states that the they round up dead and living people, impale them and make husks. Killing does nothing to stop the Reapers from making more Banshees.

That's why you need a nice fusion bomb instead of a neutron bomb.

[themikefest]

No big deal. The game lets me kill her, so I kill her.
Most of my playthroughs I don't do this mission.

[Konfined]

TheCrazyHobo wrote...

The Codex states that the they round up dead and living people, impale them and make husks. Killing does nothing to stop the Reapers from making more Banshees.

So basically, all the OP's Shep does is lose a round in Falere's skull.  So wasteful OP, so wasteful.

[Red Panda]

It's like shooting Shiala.


"How To Be A Sociopath 101"

[MacroSpamMK]

cmessaz wrote...

LOL, I just don't get this whole "amg why do you do such evil things in your game"... thing. I can totally understand personally not liking an option like this and never choosing to do it (I have done it for science), but to run around and say "that is murder" etc, that's an opinion, and people are entitled to their opinion, as is the op. I got the same crap when I hurt Alibear's feelings in DAO when I spared Loghain, and from many others when they find out I play renegade Shepard, and one of my playthroughs I sabotage the genophage. I find myself trying to defend that Shepard. Am I the only one who is able to RP just about anything depending on the situation? I like trying all the options in the games, then I kinda choose what to stick with in my canon.
For the one playthrough that I killed Felere, Samara had died in ME2 so obviously there was no suicide or attempted suicide. Shepard doesn't know Felere and Samara isn't there to help explain, so it honestly was not too bad to kill her. Shepard clearly feels like **** afterwards, but the Ardat Yakshi are dangerous even without the reapers, and without metagaming how do you know Felere isn't already indoctrinated. For me it was kind of the same as killing that scientist Asari in the first game (I forget her name) and that turned out to be a smart choice.
As for Liara's reaction, I didn't have her with Shep so I didn't see it. I imagine it would freak her out, that seems in character to me.

But it is murder.
That's not an opinion, it's a fact.

[CynicalShep]

What's so surprising about Liara's reaction? You killed a defenseless Asari civie who just witnessed her mother's suicide. Anybody with a set of morals would question your judgement, nevermind Liara.

[o Ventus]

SDW wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I would be too. There is literally zero reason to kill Falere.

As an Ardat-Yakshi, she could start behaving like her sister Morinth.
All we have if we leave her alive is her word and that it's unlikely she will be found on a far-off planet like Lesuss.

(No, I didn't kill her either. Found her convincing. But that's also because that kind of paragon decisions has never come back to haunt my Shepard ... in real life, you'd never know for sure ...)

Killing is a physical addiction for Ardat-Yakshi. Morinth was also the rebellious one, according to Samara. Morinth acts the way she does because she has killed before, which led her to keep killing.

There's literally nothing to suggest that Falere is anything like Morinth.

[darkmikasonfire]

technically it's morally killing unjustly, however, legally it's not murder. You had permission from their government to kill the people there, also you have Spectre status which puts you above all laws period (one of the great perks). As such technically it's not murder since murder is a legal term, it's just killing someone which may be considered morally unjust by an individual.

Bearbeitet von darkmikasonfire, 17 Februar 2013 - 03:32 .

[Argolas]

The-Biotic-God wrote...

Lol Killing Falere is as Renegade as you can get.

I wouldn't call that renegade.

Renegade decisions are harsh, but can usually justified because Shepard is cautious, suspicious or maybe pragmatic. Shooting Falere is just.. lol.

[Zazzerka]

CynicalShep wrote...

What's so surprising about Liara's reaction? You killed a defenseless Asari civie who just witnessed her mother's suicide. Anybody with a set of morals would question your judgement, nevermind Liara.

Pretty much. Not sure why a "wow" is necessary. Dickasaurus Shepard is a dick.

[RedBeardJim]

darkmikasonfire wrote...

They only dematerialize in MP, play the SP again and you'll see their bodies all over the place.

You see their bodies as background decor, but the ones you actually *kill* in SP do disintegrate.

[darkmikasonfire]

RedBeardJim wrote...

darkmikasonfire wrote...
They only dematerialize in MP, play the SP again and you'll see their bodies all over the place.

You see their bodies as background decor, but the ones you actually *kill* in SP do disintegrate.

Hmmm I didn't know that, it's been a while since I played the SP, weird okay well hmmm they only dematerialize due to saving room on the processor would be my guess, and if the other enemies don't do it then its' because the banzee's are naked so they want them gone ASAP.

[rekn2]

its a possibility that 1 of us could contract HIV. stand in line folks...

[Whybother]

Argolas wrote...

The-Biotic-God wrote...

Lol Killing Falere is as Renegade as you can get.

I wouldn't call that renegade.

Renegade decisions are harsh, but can usually justified because Shepard is cautious, suspicious or maybe pragmatic. Shooting Falere is just.. lol.

Actually, the Asari Government's orders WERE to blow the place to hell.  They didn't send teams of Commandos and a big ass bomb to save a bunch of A-Y.

[Jaison1986]

o Ventus wrote...

SDW wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I would be too. There is literally zero reason to kill Falere.

As an Ardat-Yakshi, she could start behaving like her sister Morinth.
All we have if we leave her alive is her word and that it's unlikely she will be found on a far-off planet like Lesuss.

(No, I didn't kill her either. Found her convincing. But that's also because that kind of paragon decisions has never come back to haunt my Shepard ... in real life, you'd never know for sure ...)

Killing is a physical addiction for Ardat-Yakshi. Morinth was also the rebellious one, according to Samara. Morinth acts the way she does because she has killed before, which led her to keep killing.

There's literally nothing to suggest that Falere is anything like Morinth.

And there is also nothing that suggest that Falere WON'T become like Morinth. See, that's why renegade Shepard shoots Falere, there is too much uncertanty, too much hazard, nothing to guarantee that she will keep her word. Renegade Shepard is the kind that likes to be safe rather then sorry.

[AlexMBrennan]

After all, what we players do if it was actually acknowledged that the Asari sent Shepard to carry out some ethnic cleansing in exchange for war assets?

The asari didn't send Shepard, it is not ethnic cleaning (the mission is to investigate why the commando squads went missing) and it is not done for war assets (Shepard's intervention frees up asari units to aid the allied war effort though).

At best, the lost commando squads might have been sent to pre-emptively kill the AY at the monastery (I don't actually remember).

As for executing her, well, it seems a Bioware tradition to not give the player the option to take sensible precautions.

Renegade decisions are harsh, but can usually justified because Shepard is cautious, suspicious or maybe pragmatic. Shooting Falere is just.. lol.

AY pose a significant threat (did you listen to anything Samara said about Morinth in ME2?), so it would make a certain amount of sense to kill her if it is no longer possible to contain her, and it's arguably more sensible than just letting her go.

[Solmanian]

MacroSpamMK wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I would be too. There is literally zero reason to kill Falere.

I agree. Killing Falere is murder.

Soldiers in a war kill people all the time. It's not considered "murder" because it's simply stretching the definition of "self defence" from the individual to the whole. Soldiers kill enemy combatants even if they aren't endangering them personaly to prevent them from endangering someone else in the future. The question is wether or not there was a "clear and present danger" for the asari to become a banshee. Relying on her to kill herself is simply naive, because you can't trust someone to kill themselves until they actually do it, and if she became a banshee the potential number of people she could kill is astronomical.

Now wether killing her was the "optimal" solution? No. if you justify killing her, you might aswell start killing every human you meet to prevent them from becoming husks. There isn't even an indication that the reapers need people to be alive for "reaperization"; in all likelyhood, quite the opposite. For all we know, they can make banshee from asari corpses
with no problems. Which means her killing herself or you killing her will not be a sufficient resulotion for the problem.

[anmiro]

davishepard wrote...

anmiro wrote...

Ah, but everyone on the citadel dies anyway, so it really doesnt matter either way; your just scaring the crap out of people who are going to be blown up.

Not everyone dies on the Citadel.

No, when did the 13 million people who live on the Citadel evacuate?

[MacroSpamMK]

anmiro wrote...

davishepard wrote...

anmiro wrote...

Ah, but everyone on the citadel dies anyway, so it really doesnt matter either way; your just scaring the crap out of people who are going to be blown up.

Not everyone dies on the Citadel.

No, when did the 13 million people who live on the Citadel evacuate?

According to Twitter -

a). They all die.

. Some of them survive because of barriers and ****, and all plot characters (Bailey, Aria, Council) survive.

In game -

a). Citadel is full of activity and all is well (Confrontation with the Illusive Man background).

. They all get killed when the Citadel goes boom.

c). Bit of both.

What probably did happen -

a). Mac Walters

. Casey Hudson

[EnvyTB075]

Meh, the whole Ardat Yakshi thing is broken anyway. Only 3 in ME2, with the possibility of more.


Suddenly a **** tonne of them appear out of no where at that monastery just to justify the zillions of Banshees killed in MP.