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[dreman9999]

Whybother wrote...

Sure there is. You don't want her to be turned into a Banshee.

You did not get the hint that she would kill herself before that happened?

[dreman9999]

Whybother wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Whybother wrote...

Sure there is. You don't want her to be turned into a Banshee.

She makes it clear as day that she doesn't intend for the Reapers to take her alive.

I'm sure every Batarian and Human and Turian said the same thing before being converted into some nightmare.

Nope. Most where caught and change before thay had any choice in the matter. Remeber, they ether have to indoctrinate you first or catch you.

You just killed her pointlessly.

[dreman9999]

eddieoctane wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Whybother wrote...

Sure there is. You don't want her to be turned into a Banshee.

She makes it clear as day that she doesn't intend for the Reapers to take her alive.

A lot of the colonists on Eden Prime looked pretty dead sitting on those Dragon's Teeth, yet they still became husks. Who says an Asari has to be alive to be Reaperized?

They were alive when they wereput on the dragons teeth. Added, if they do take dead bodies and turn them into husk, then kill that girl would be pointless. They would just take here dead body and turn it into a banshee.

[anmiro]

shodiswe wrote...

anmiro wrote...

MacroSpamMK wrote...

anmiro wrote...

davishepard wrote...

anmiro wrote...

Ah, but everyone on the citadel dies anyway, so it really doesnt matter either way; your just scaring the crap out of people who are going to be blown up.

Not everyone dies on the Citadel.

No, when did the 13 million people who live on the Citadel evacuate?

According to Twitter -

a). They all die.

. Some of them survive because of barriers and ****, and all plot characters (Bailey, Aria, Council) survive.

In game -

a). Citadel is full of activity and all is well (Confrontation with the Illusive Man background).

. They all get killed when the Citadel goes boom.

c). Bit of both.

What probably did happen -

a). Mac Walters

. Casey Hudson

Its ok, the other 12.99 million were wearing red shirts.

In control, least the high EMS playthrough I did the citadel desn't seem to get hurt at all..
After that, who knows, but Shepard AI has sworn to protect them and later slides shows the Citadel in orbit around Earth with light and activity.
The thing would be that if you pick Synthesis which people say was supposed to be better than Destroy and control accordign to Bioware logic seeing as it's made available if you got more EMS then more people would die since the citadel blows up and only people in shelters and behind barries survive.

And yes, we can be pretty sure Bailey took the Council to a Shelter early on.

I know this all just speculation, because the writers dropped the ball, but with 13.2 million people living on the Citadel, was getting the Council off the station really Baileys main priority. So did he just leave it up to all his subordinates to take care of the rest of the population. I would bet that Bailey was able to get the Council off, but did not leave himself.

[Undead Han]

Paralenko wrote...

Maybe Liara is just looking for an opportunity to give Falere's body to Cerberus.

Sorry, I've just never understood why Liara trusted Cerberus when they said they'd rebuild Shepard.

Because Miranda gave Liara a good sales pitch.

Liara was initially reluctant, but Miranda talked her into it. I don't think Liara gave Shepard to Cerberus so much as she gave Shepard to Miranda. She had come to trust Miranda, at least professionally. In retrospect of course it was trust that wasn't misplaced.

If you think it about it was rather clever of TIM to have Miranda be the project manager for the mission to retrieve Shepard's corpse. Besides being capable, Miranda is at at heart a decent person. She may be a member of Cerberus but she isn't evil, and I wonder if using Miranda wasn't intentionally done to manipulate Liara. Consider that TIM basically uses similar tactics with the Omega IV Relay mission. He populates the Normandy with Cerberus personal who present a less ruthless face of the organization, in an attempt to break through Shepard's initial distrust and to manipulate him.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 17 février 2013 - 06:09 .

[SaidRael]

I do not even know you could kill Falere. I'm such a good person

[Hazegurl]

Jaison1986 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

SDW wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I would be too. There is literally zero reason to kill Falere.

As an Ardat-Yakshi, she could start behaving like her sister Morinth.
All we have if we leave her alive is her word and that it's unlikely she will be found on a far-off planet like Lesuss.

(No, I didn't kill her either. Found her convincing. But that's also because that kind of paragon decisions has never come back to haunt my Shepard ... in real life, you'd never know for sure ...)

Killing is a physical addiction for Ardat-Yakshi. Morinth was also the rebellious one, according to Samara. Morinth acts the way she does because she has killed before, which led her to keep killing.

There's literally nothing to suggest that Falere is anything like Morinth.

And there is also nothing that suggest that Falere WON'T become like Morinth. See, that's why renegade Shepard shoots Falere, there is too much uncertanty, too much hazard, nothing to guarantee that she will keep her word. Renegade Shepard is the kind that likes to be safe rather then sorry.

This is why my Shep shoots her. The last thing he needs is one more of those things to deal with. Besides, how can she promise she won't let the reapers get to her? It's a silly promise to make to begin with after witnessing the entire place swarming with reaper creations. IMO, killing her was for the best.

[kalasaurus]

What does Liara do? I thought all the squad mates just stand there and say nothing when Shepard kills Falare in cold blood. Really, I doubt most squad mates would be comfortable watching that.

[Karlone123]

My Pro-Cerberus Shepard would shoot Falere if he deemed her a threat.

[Falaxe]

GlassElephant wrote...

What does Liara do? I thought all the squad mates just stand there and say nothing when Shepard kills Falare in cold blood. Really, I doubt most squad mates would be comfortable watching that.

I just love it how they stand there and do nothing, when my FFS paragon Shepard puts bullet between Faleres eyes. That moment is just so much win

[Whybother]

GlassElephant wrote...

What does Liara do? I thought all the squad mates just stand there and say nothing when Shepard kills Falare in cold blood. Really, I doubt most squad mates would be comfortable watching that.

She didn't do anything there (I didn't even bring her along on the mission), but her after-mission "chatter" on the Normandy is where she says this.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Whybother wrote...

She was speechless that I took the renegade interrupt to make sure an Ardat Yakshi didn't escape from the monastery.

Because if you kill Falere you're a murderer. Even my "terminator" took the paragon interrupt to save Samara because it was senseless.

[SinerAthin]

Killing Falere is a completely logical course of action, assuming the right(or wrong) conditions are met.

If Samara is there, killing her is not necessary. Samara is reliable, and can be trusted with the task. Her compromise is viable.

If Falere is alone, she presents a greater security issue. An Ardat Yakshi is very dangerous. And banshee; even moreso.
It may be true that she lived up to her words, but how could you know for sure? She presented a security risk. One does not simply say "I will not be captured alive by the Reapers." In that case you are grossly underestimating the Reapers themselves. But the biggest issue is that you don't have any gaurantees that she will keep her word.

Modifié par SinerAthin, 17 février 2013 - 09:59 .

[Falaxe]

SinerAthin wrote...

It may be true that she lived up to her words, but how could you know for sure? She presented a security risk. One does not simply say "I will not be captured alive by the Reapers." In that case you are grossly underestimating the Reapers themselves. But the biggest issue is that you don't have any gaurantees that she will keep her word.

Does it really matter? Only one ardat-yakshi more in the worst case and the place looks pretty well raided anyway, so I dont think that reapers would actually bother to get her.

TBH I would have liked to take her onboard

[SinerAthin]

Falaxe wrote...

SinerAthin wrote...

It may be true that she lived up to her words, but how could you know for sure? She presented a security risk. One does not simply say "I will not be captured alive by the Reapers." In that case you are grossly underestimating the Reapers themselves. But the biggest issue is that you don't have any gaurantees that she will keep her word.

Does it really matter? Only one ardat-yakshi more in the worst case and the place looks pretty well raided anyway, so I dont think that reapers would actually bother to get her.

TBH I would have liked to take her onboard

One ardat Yakshi could easily mean 20 dead people, if she goes rogue. Or far more, as seen with other notorious Ardat Yakshi examples.
One banshee could mean 40 dead people, depending on who they face.

I won't compromise so many lives so that one may live. You gotta keep a clear head when saving the galaxy

Modifié par SinerAthin, 17 février 2013 - 10:30 .

[Falaxe]

SinerAthin wrote...


One ardat Yakshi could easily mean 20 dead people, if she goes rogue. Or far more, as seen with other notorious Ardat Yakshi examples.
One banshee could mean 40 dead people, depending on who they face.

I won't compromise so many lives so that one may live. You gotta keep a clear head when saving the galaxy

One lazer beam means 1-10000 dead people depending where it hits, 1 missile can hold off enough explosives to kill a banshee, etc. Quantity beats quality and there are more effective ways to kill organics.

I understand your (Shepards) way of thinking, it is ethical one and I have no problems with it. I just want to show everyone, that moral is BS. I let Samara suicide and then Shepard pulled the trigger and still Liara loved him/her.

But I still would have taken Falere onboard ;_;

[Konfined]

SinerAthin wrote...

Falaxe wrote...

SinerAthin wrote...

It may be true that she lived up to her words, but how could you know for sure? She presented a security risk. One does not simply say "I will not be captured alive by the Reapers." In that case you are grossly underestimating the Reapers themselves. But the biggest issue is that you don't have any gaurantees that she will keep her word.

Does it really matter? Only one ardat-yakshi more in the worst case and the place looks pretty well raided anyway, so I dont think that reapers would actually bother to get her.

TBH I would have liked to take her onboard

One ardat Yakshi could easily mean 20 dead people, if she goes rogue. Or far more, as seen with other notorious Ardat Yakshi examples.
One banshee could mean 40 dead people, depending on who they face.

I won't compromise so many lives so that one may live. You gotta keep a clear head when saving the galaxy

As has been mentioned multiple times, one does not need to be alive to be converted.  All you did was waste ammo.  If one really believed this to be a potential issue, then letting Samara live to deal with Falere is a far more optimal solution.  

If Falere were to go off the deep end with Samara alive, it's a far more certain a possibilty that Samara would kill her; as opposed to this scenario where Falere would somehow find an unoccupied ship, escape a Reaper infested area, and then decide to go on a killing spree for no discernable reason.

Modifié par Konfined, 17 février 2013 - 11:09 .

[SinerAthin]

Falaxe wrote...

I wouldn't use the Multiplayer balance as an accurate depiction of the warfare in the actual lore universe

For if that had been the case, nobody would have used Assault Rifles, lol(and definately not the Avenger).

Konfined wrote...

As has been mentioned multiple times, one does not need to be alive to be converted.  All you did was waste ammo.  If one really believed this to be a potential issue, then letting Samara live to deal with Falere is a far more optimal solution.  

If Falere were to go off the deep end with Samara alive, it's a far more certain a possibilty that Samara would kill her; as opposed to this scenario where Falere would somehow find an unoccupied ship, escape a Reaper infested area, and then decide to go on a killing spree for no discernable reason.

Not if I used Incineration ammo, it wouldn't be

Also, Bioware never really were specific about whether or not you had to be alive to be converted. Passing through the game, it seemed like they changed between "You have to be alive to be converted into a footsoldier" to "You can be turned into a footsoldier, even while dead".

It was as if the lore was written by many different people

Modifié par SinerAthin, 18 février 2013 - 12:45 .

[3DandBeyond]

davishepard wrote...

anmiro wrote...

Ah, but everyone on the citadel dies anyway, so it really doesnt matter either way; your just scaring the crap out of people who are going to be blown up.

Not everyone dies on the Citadel.

But they should.  The Citadel is really a big relay and it's a real mess.  If 300k Batarians died in the Arrival, then the Citadel taking such damage should have killed everyone on it.

[xMellowhype]

While I'll always save Falere, name 3 things that aren't Jackie Chan and name 3 things that Liara won't cry about.

You just can't do it.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Liara is a paragon. Period. Deal with it.

[Falaxe]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Liara is a paragon. Period. Deal with it.

No, Liara is just a impractical science noob. And she still believes there is good in the world.

Modifié par Falaxe, 18 février 2013 - 07:09 .

[Whybother]

Falaxe wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Liara is a paragon. Period. Deal with it.

No, Liara is just a impractical science noob. And she still believes there is good in the world.

And very annoying after Thessia in general.  "It was OK when all those other planets were burning, but THIS IS MY HOME!"

She seemed pretty upset to not be taken on the Ardat-Yakshi mission, judging from her attitude on the mission briefing.

[MacroSpamMK]

Whybother wrote...

Falaxe wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Liara is a paragon. Period. Deal with it.

No, Liara is just a impractical science noob. And she still believes there is good in the world.

And very annoying after Thessia in general.  "It was OK when all those other planets were burning, but THIS IS MY HOME!"

She seemed pretty upset to not be taken on the Ardat-Yakshi mission, judging from her attitude on the mission briefing.

She apologised about 872393272 times about Earth and when you go to Palaven she seems pretty distressed about it.

****, better kill Liara too. She's a pureblood, could carry the AY gene, fk, fk, fk.