Falere is well into her Matron years. The matron stage starts roughly around three hundred years old, and Falere is at least four hundred and forty one, probably a decade older than that.
Thanks. I remembered it wrong. It also misled me that she appears to be so young. Either way, her age doesn't really matter in the point I was trying to make. Still, good to know.
I just watched a video of this, but didn't see any reaction from Liara. Is it back on the ship? I recall doing it once and she was more sad than anything, I don't recall any anger.
I just watched a video of this, but didn't see any reaction from Liara. Is it back on the ship? I recall doing it once and she was more sad than anything, I don't recall any anger.
She makes it clear as day that she doesn't intend for the Reapers to take her alive.
So there is ("literally" [sic]) reason to kill her, then -- the boldfaced being a possibility. Good.
Back on the ship, the dialogue says something like:
Liara "That poor girl."
Shepard "Falere?"
Liara "Yes. Shepard, did you really have to? Never mind. (Cries a little) Let's get back to work."
No visible anger though.
Is there a video online for this? I really don't want to have to kill Falere myself to see it because in my opinion, it's cold-blooded murder.
So there is ("literally" [sic]) reason to kill her, then -- the boldfaced being a possibility. Good.
Yeah sure and then we bomb Menae. There are a lot of Reapers on this moon, all these turians could be used as components for marauders and brutes,
(good point)
My internet sense is tingling with that one, though.
Is there a video online for this? I really don't want to have to kill Falere myself to see it because in my opinion, it's cold-blooded murder.
Here you go:
https://youtu.be/GCr9qfzO1ms?t=1h5m45s
Yeah sure and then we bomb Menae. There are a lot of Reapers on this moon, all these turians could be used as components for marauders and brutes,
Menae is a military stronghold, not comparable to a civilian area.
And any civilians who would willingly stay in Reaper-occupied territory are idiots and their lives are forfeit for allowing that risk. If the situation in a civilian area is hopeless, it absolutely should be bombed to prevent the Reapers getting more minions.
You think that is so evil to do and leaving them to their fate is preferable? I don't know what to say to you, then.
Not evil, and not unheard of. The Protheans did the same, per Javik.
Wasn't there a colony world that detonate its nuke on their people?
Wasn't there a colony world that detonate its nuke on their people?
Menae is a military stronghold, not comparable to a civilian area.
And any civilians who would willingly stay in Reaper-occupied territory are idiots and their lives are forfeit for allowing that risk. If the situation in a civilian area is hopeless, it absolutely should be bombed to prevent the Reapers getting more minions.
Nearly every homeworld and most colonies are overrun. IIRC the reapers left Lesuss because there was nothing of interest left.
I mean, we learn from Tali that during the mission that the Asari were bring kind by putting the Ardat Yakshi in a beautiful place like the Monastery whilst most other races would have just killed them all, then after losing several commando squads investigating the distress beacon Asari Command decides to follow this path and just blow the whole place up and everyone in it, so if the Banshees hadn't stopped the Commandos Falere was dead for sure. So really, all Shepard is doing is finishing what the Asari Commandos started and what other races would have done themselves long ago, and like it or not whilst to you or me this may seem evil most of the galaxy will agree with the action, no one is going to shed a tear for the Ardat Yakshi, except Liara lol.
Still your hand that pulls the trigger.
BTW the planetary entry is rather interesting:
Latent Ardat-Yakshi, as well as active sufferers who show that they can control their condition, may be offered a chance to reintegrate into asari society after spending sufficient time on Lesuss. Active Ardat-Yakshi whose psychological profiles show capacity for neither empathy nor reeducation are confined to the monastery for life.
So seems you can actually leave after you served your time and considered to be no threat.
I mean, we learn from Tali that during the mission that the Asari were bring kind by putting the Ardat Yakshi in a beautiful place like the Monastery whilst most other races would have just killed them all, then after losing several commando squads investigating the distress beacon Asari Command decides to follow this path and just blow the whole place up and everyone in it, so if the Banshees hadn't stopped the Commandos Falere was dead for sure. So really, all Shepard is doing is finishing what the Asari Commandos started and what other races would have done themselves long ago, and like it or not whilst to you or me this may seem evil most of the galaxy will agree with the action, no one is going to shed a tear for the Ardat Yakshi, except Liara lol.
Is "everyone else was doing/would do it" really a defense? Not too long ago, one could've taken the same attitude toward the institutionalized killing or imprisoning of any number of minority groups (lets say homosexuals or Jews, which still takes place in less developed areas of the world).
Also, Tali's comment is pretty ridiculous, with her coming from a culture that she explicitly states in the previous game to have abolished the death penalty (yet another example of her highly inconsistent writing). Scratch that, it's ridiculous from the perspective of 20th century earth culture, where people afflicted with HIV/AIDS aren't imprisoned or randomly murdered because they could effectively kill someone by having sex with them.
Not disagreeing that there's a legal and even utilitarian defense Shep could use (though the choice categorically ends up failing on the merits of the latter), but that doesn't mean the asari weren't acting like the type of religious nutjobs who burn witches (the term Ardat Yakshi even translates to a type of supernatural "demon"). Saudi Arabia has a legal defense for the stoning to death of women who get raped, but that doesn't mean it isn't barbarism. Personally, I wouldn't support taking part in such actions if asked.
Of course, the whole premise of the mission is so full of stupid to the point it's hard to take seriously as any kind of philosophical or social commentary. If the asari just wanted to destroy the prison to prevent its use as a banshee factory, they could have simply glassed it from orbit. Same goes for Shepard and the Normandy.
Still your hand that pulls the trigger.
BTW the planetary entry is rather interesting:
So seems you can actually leave after you served your time and considered to be no threat.
Yeah she said so. I interpeted it as she reached the necessary requirements. I heard several times that Samara violated her oath when she let her live, I always took it as "duh, mom, actually I could have left when I wanted, so shooting yourself is totally pointless."
Is "everyone else was doing/would do it" really a defense? Not too long ago, one could've taken the same attitude toward the institutionalized killing or imprisoning of any number of minority groups (lets say homosexuals or Jews, which still takes place in less developed areas of the world).
Also, Tali's comment is pretty ridiculous, with her coming from a culture that she explicitly states in the previous game to have abolished the death penalty (yet another example of her highly inconsistent writing). Scratch that, it's ridiculous from the perspective of 20th century earth culture, where people afflicted with HIV/AIDS aren't imprisoned or randomly murdered because they could effectively kill someone by having sex with them.
Not disagreeing that there's a legal and even utilitarian defense Shep could use (though the choice categorically ends up failing on the merits of the latter), but that doesn't mean the asari weren't acting like the type of religious nutjobs who burn witches (the term Ardat Yakshi even translates to a type of supernatural "demon"). Saudi Arabia has a legal defense for the stoning to death of women who get raped, but that doesn't mean it isn't barbarism. Personally, I wouldn't support taking part in such actions if asked.
Of course, the whole premise of the mission is so full of stupid to the point it's hard to take seriously as any kind of philosophical or social commentary. If the asari just wanted to destroy the prison to prevent its use as a banshee factory, they could have simply glassed it from orbit. Same goes for Shepard and the Normandy.
The perfect analogue for Ardat Yakshi would be vampires(also known as demons *wink**wink*) not HIV/AIDS sufferers, with the added benefit that their condition doesn't actually harm them, apart from being sterile I guess. The Ardat Yakshi gene is an addictive one which makes the Asari more compelled to mate even though they know it will kill the partner (basically like Vampires being addicted to sucking blood even though it kills the person they're getting the blood from), and each time they kill they get smarter and stronger (like vampires do when they suck blood), something which only servers to feed the compulsion and make them seek more people to mate with and kill. Finding someone to kill also really isn't a problem for them since they can seduce just about anyone, and can take control of entire villages and make them their thralls (once again, another vampire ability), meaning that they can rack up the kills and like Morinth did, reach the power level of Asari Justicars when they're barely out of their Maiden stage.
So now lets take a look at this again, does it really come as a surprise to you that most races would outright kill a group of people who are literally Space Vampires? Because we humans sure damn would, without thinking. They aren't just people with a simple (I say simple, but you know what I mean) illness like Aids, a single one of them can decimate an entire population area and leave it full of husks. Now you should see why Tali is completely correct in saying that the Asari were generous in giving them a chance, because barely anyone else would. Like Is said, no one in the Mass Effect Universe is going to shed a tear for the Ardat Yakshi, or as I will call them from now on, the Vampires, Liara is alone on this one.
Fun Fact: The ship that Morinth escapes with from llium in ME2 is called the Demeter, the same name of the ship that Dracula used to get to England. Bioware didn't even try to hide the vampire connection lol
Vampires aye.
I'm all for killing vampires who creep into peoples rooms at night and drain them of their blood against their will.
However if a Vampire chose to lock himself in a room and be fed goats blood to make sure nobody else got hurt or worse died and chose to live knowing they were cursed.
I'd ask him his name and we'd be friends.
I agree and I would do the same, but most people wouldn't take that chance though, it's too damn risky.
I agree and I would do the same, but most people wouldn't take that chance though, it's too damn risky.
Does Falare even try to defend herself or hulkout when Shepard point a gun at her?
Does Falare even try to defend herself or hulkout when Shepard point a gun at her?
Menae is a military stronghold, not comparable to a civilian area.
And any civilians who would willingly stay in Reaper-occupied territory are idiots and their lives are forfeit for allowing that risk. If the situation in a civilian area is hopeless, it absolutely should be bombed to prevent the Reapers getting more minions.
You think that is so evil to do and leaving them to their fate is preferable? I don't know what to say to you, then.
Not evil, and not unheard of. The Protheans did the same, per Javik.
The Protheans also lost. Javik alludes to this ultimately costing them in the end.
Whether the Reapers would get a few more minions from a specific civilian area is irrelevant. They'll never run out of them, ever. If bombing that civilian area isn't evil, then it's certainly a waste of good explosives. Farare is the last Ardat-Yakshi in the place. The Reapers wouldn't bother looking for one lone asari, and would probably have assumed none survived after Shepard finished with the monastery. Even if they did come back for that one asari, a single Banshee is hardly something that would make a difference in the war.
So. Waste of good explosives, and causes undue psychological stress to Shepard and possibly to squadmates at a crucial time. If it were to prevent the Reapers from obtaining ANY Banshees at all, it would be different, but the Reapers have plenty of them either way, so yeah.
I mean, if Falere was special and she was the key to creating some kind of line of super-banshee, then I guess I could see a good reason to shoot her. But really, I can't really go beyond indifference to where she goes at that point. Samara's motivated primarily by the ridiculous code over whether or not Falere is predisposed to hurting other people, so there's not much help there. And with the commandos, well they didn't have the luxury of being able to sift out survivors from that mess, especially since they obviously had trouble surviving themselves. There's no way of telling what they might have decided if they were able to both neutralize the remaining banshees and pull at least one ardat-yakshi out alive, but that's not really my concern either. The asari high command isn't calling the shot there anyway.
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