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[ZLurps]

lightswitch wrote...

I honestly can't believe some of you don't think people will be hosting with capped frame rates. The player base at large has proven over and over that they will use whatever tactics they can to make the game easier. If they think capping the frame rate makes the game easier, word will get out, and they will do it. No question.

The more I think about it, the more I'm worried there will be an epidemic.

There are thousands of players out there playing with laptops and old PC's that can't handle 60 FPS already. How many have virus scanner scheduled to deep scan and forgot even if they ever set it up? etc.

PC is open platform, it have it's strenght and it has it cons.

[pistolols]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

None of what people describe for 30 fps on PC meshes with the actual console experience. You're making purely theoretical assumptions. I've watched these PC videos where enemies can barely hit a player, but this is not how the console game plays. At least play both before you comment on a difficulty difference between the two.

that's not because the AI is any different if that's what you're implying... it's because the manuverability on pc is way better.  Running around is 10x better.  And yes i own both a console version and pc version.

[Bolo Xia]

SavagelyEpic wrote...

Yes, because common sense would maintain that the person who reacts in turn to unprovoked and unwarranted hostility makes said person an ass whereas the person who attempts to start **** because someone isn't licking his feet is most assuredly not.

You attacked me first. Should I have gotten on my knees and begged for your forgiveness, your most high-and-mighty lordship?

Your conceitedness is absolutely stunning.

shake hands already, you 2 dont agree, its perfectly normal for 2 people to disagree strongly.

lets move on please.
:innocent:

[Qui-Gon Glenn]

SavagelyEpic wrote...

When things like that happen I attribute them to lag.

Ask yourself this question: If you had never read Caratinoid's thread and you encountered things like this, would you start going OMGHE'SFPSLOCKING or would you just go WTF LAG?

And honestly, which scenario is more likely: Your host had a lower-end machine/wireless internet/any combination of poor computing and networking, or your host read Caratinoid's thread and was all like LOL I'M GOING TO LOCK MY FPS AND STRAIN MY EYES JUST SO I DON'T GET SHOT AS MUCH. I really don't think anybody's that desperate.

Not many people read BSN. Maybe 1% of the playerbase.

I had to re-read the thread to see where the hostility started. It started with you right here, using mad CAPZ.

If you took my saying "You don't read the forums too much do you?" as a personal assault, please go change your diapers this is man's work. That was not a slam, it was a genuine question as Caratinoid's thread was on the first page of this forum for most of the past two weeks.

The facts of our argument are all here in this thread. You should stop now, as really nothing is helping you at this point. I did not make this thread to argue with you, btw. I made it to make a point, and it is a point worth making.

Modifié par Qui-Gon Glenn, 17 février 2013 - 08:36 .

[Bolo Xia]

Air Quotes wrote...

Daihannya wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

I honestly can't believe some of you don't think people will be hosting with capped frame rates. The player base at large has proven over and over that they will use whatever tactics they can to make the game easier. If they think capping the frame rate makes the game easier, word will get out, and they will do it. No question.

The more I think about it, the more I'm worried there will be an epidemic.

or the reverse.  Just turn off vsync and set the frame rate to 120 or above, and troll the other players.

 

With SLI's and stuff you can make sure NO ONE will survive wave 1 on GOLD. 

i knew you were  Air Quotes 

[Daihannya]

Air Quotes wrote...

Willing or not the possibility is there. And for all we know - 30 FPS is the intended difficulty. So by caping at 30 you maybe playing the game in a way it's suppose to be played. And at 90 you can't do half the stuff you can on 30. And then you experience BS, glitches, and create threads on BSN. Then you watch videos and think - do I suck this much? How does this guy do stuff I can never do? How does he never get hit or gets hit much less then I do in the situation? Well no matter how much you train, you will never be able to do it, because the game caps your skill at high FPS. 

I always knew it. Had this feeling long before the 30 FPS discovery. 

The devs have never responded.  Console maybe 30, but in game frame rate is capped to 62 by default in the coalesced file.   But most monitors are 60hz so will clip it to 60 due to vsync.

[Bolo Xia]

Air Quotes wrote...

Bolo Xia wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Daihannya wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

I honestly can't believe some of you don't think people will be hosting with capped frame rates. The player base at large has proven over and over that they will use whatever tactics they can to make the game easier. If they think capping the frame rate makes the game easier, word will get out, and they will do it. No question.

The more I think about it, the more I'm worried there will be an epidemic.

or the reverse.  Just turn off vsync and set the frame rate to 120 or above, and troll the other players.

 

With SLI's and stuff you can make sure NO ONE will survive wave 1 on GOLD. 

i knew you were  Air Quotes 

 

Was there ever any doubt? 

definitly not now  

[crashmatusow]

You know jump height is affected by framerate in unreal?

You could increase your jump height in cod4 by locking maxfps to one of a few specific values.

Terrible engine is terrible.

 Also the glitches should be the clue his pc sucked. Ravagers dont miss like that on xbox.

Modifié par crashmatusow, 17 février 2013 - 08:40 .

[llandwynwyn]

Air Quotes wrote...
Then you watch videos and think - do I suck this much? How does this guy do stuff I can never do? How does he never get hit or gets hit much less then I do in the same situation? Well no matter how much you train, you will never be able to do it, because the game caps your skill at high FPS. 

I always knew it. Had this feeling long before the 30 FPS discovery. 

RedJohn. lol

There was talk then, but nobody investigated.

[SavagelyEpic]

Qui-Gon Glenn wrote...

SavagelyEpic wrote...

When things like that happen I attribute them to lag.

Ask yourself this question: If you had never read Caratinoid's thread and you encountered things like this, would you start going OMGHE'SFPSLOCKING or would you just go WTF LAG?

And honestly, which scenario is more likely: Your host had a lower-end machine/wireless internet/any combination of poor computing and networking, or your host read Caratinoid's thread and was all like LOL I'M GOING TO LOCK MY FPS AND STRAIN MY EYES JUST SO I DON'T GET SHOT AS MUCH. I really don't think anybody's that desperate.

Not many people read BSN. Maybe 1% of the playerbase.

I had to re-read the thread to see where the hostility started. It started with you right here, using mad CAPZ.

If you took my saying "You don't read the forums too much do you?" as a personal assault, please go change your diapers this is man's work. That was not a slam, it was a genuine question as Caratinoid's thread was on the first page of this forum for most of the past two weeks.

The facts of our argument are all here in this thread. You should stop now, as really nothing is helping you at this point. I did not make this thread to argue with you, btw. I made it to make a point, and it is a point worth making.

I can assure you I did not take that as an insult or an attack, and I am sorry if you misunderstood the caps as an insult or attack. Personally, I don't find caps to be offensive and I meant no offense when I typed that.

Hostility was most certainly not my intent. Apologies. I think we can chalk this up to a misunderstanding in text, then.

Regardless, other people have made my point quite clear enough for me.

Modifié par SavagelyEpic, 17 février 2013 - 08:58 .

[nuh1]

PC hosts need to just lock at 60fps. We get smoother gameplay and better aiming/sprinting so enemies scale with it. The PC players with the lock at 120fps just let others host. On a side note, damn you goddess/rio for forcing me to cap at 120 for consistent framerate! /shakefistatair

[Ziegrif]

LC714 wrote...

 Stop fighting! Can't you see it's tearing us apart?? 

Conflict is in their nature.
We as the weird third party need only watch and throw popcorn and the occasional marshmellow at the fighters.
THUMBS DOWN!! FINISH IT!!

[KoJotP]

Lol. I had this weird feeling sometimes that silver was harder than gold. Must've played with host who had top-notch setup then. I think i run at 59-60 since that's the hardware cap - LCD monitor, I'm not 100% sure and I can't check since the Scourge is down.

[Qui-Gon Glenn]

Glad we don't have to be mortal enemies.

Regardless of which one of us was actually "right" regarding the real events of what was happening in that match, this thread is valid. Not much of the playerbase is here, granted, but what is here is disseminated rapidly through the web, which you do know to be the case I again assume.

My argument and point remains: I would prefer it if people would not screw around with their FPS settings. Let the game play as it is brokenly intended.... it is the game I am used to, and having a new change occur like this that is not from the developers and actually done on end-user side is just very frustrating IMO, and in the O of many others.

Your point was made, and I granted it. I still disagree that that was the case, although it is a possibility. Regardless, I do not want that game experience again, and it was worth it for me to post this and spread the news.

[Ziegrif]

Air Quotes wrote...

llandwynwyn wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...
Then you watch videos and think - do I suck this much? How does this guy do stuff I can never do? How does he never get hit or gets hit much less then I do in the same situation? Well no matter how much you train, you will never be able to do it, because the game caps your skill at high FPS. 

I always knew it. Had this feeling long before the 30 FPS discovery. 

RedJohn. lol

There was talk then, but nobody investigated.

 

Exactly. 

Red John is still one of the best players I know of regardless of FPS.

But I did find it extremely hilarious that the better players out there had some real bad computers and connections that made modems look like high speed connections.

I dunno it felt kinda... bizarro in a way. **** rigs, awesome skillz. Guess we now know what the case was.

Modifié par Ziegrif, 17 février 2013 - 08:50 .

[Daihannya]

Air Quotes wrote...

llandwynwyn...

RedJohn. lol

There was talk then, but nobody investigated.

 

Exactly. 

well like everyone has said here not everyone is blessed with the best hardware.  

After playing 30-120.  I would play 120 over 30, but know folks I am playing with will stop playing wih me so I fix it to 60, and turned on more antialiasing and other graphic options through nvidia inspector to make it look prettier.

[crashmatusow]

I would probably settle around 45.

[llandwynwyn]

Ziegrif wrote...

Red John is still one of the best players I know of regardless of FPS.

He plays off host just fine, I'm sure. But his solos are hilarious.

[SavagelyEpic]

Qui-Gon Glenn wrote...

Glad we don't have to be mortal enemies.

Regardless of which one of us was actually "right" regarding the real events of what was happening in that match, this thread is valid. Not much of the playerbase is here, granted, but what is here is disseminated rapidly through the web, which you do know to be the case I again assume.

My argument and point remains: I would prefer it if people would not screw around with their FPS settings. Let the game play as it is brokenly intended.... it is the game I am used to, and having a new change occur like this that is not from the developers and actually done on end-user side is just very frustrating IMO, and in the O of many others.

Your point was made, and I granted it. I still disagree that that was the case, although it is a possibility. Regardless, I do not want that game experience again, and it was worth it for me to post this and spread the news.

Likewise.

Anyways, after some further consideration I have to admit that is in infact unfortunately possible that people could start doing this en-masse. Someone raised the example of FBWGG which I hadn't thought of, and as much as I'd like to think people aren't desperate enough to do it, missile glitching also comes to mind. I too would greatly prefer if people didn't dick around with their FPS.