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[llandwynwyn]

Sebciooo911 wrote...

Damn, Tevinter woman is fierce.

[Das Tentakel]

 

Nerevar-as wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...
Woaw it really looks like a fashion show is going on...If they keep that in game , it seems like they're really trying hard to give unique visuals now..I'm not sure how i feel about the pictures...The hats for orlesians /tevinter woman looks ...not really confortable.I'm a bit shocked about ferelden , I imagined more fur , more northern barbarian ...And the pattern give me a more south american vibe ( Inca/Indian , a bit of turquoise color on the shoulder for the woman ...)
But even if it may not really be my tastes ( well Tevinter looks really cool...) I can really apprecaite that they 're going for something different.I'm surprised actually , which is nice.

I don´t know, I think they are trying so hard to look different that they´ve sacrificed looking natural along the way. And looking different isn´t going to help if the setting still feels more of the same. then the setting will be the "silly looking generic setting" n.5.
I hope those designs are limited to upper nobility. Looking like that is believable in that case.

Personally, I think these designs are fugly. But that's simply my personal value judgment, and there's every chance that 1) it's not DA3 concept art, and 2) it might look better in-game (if it gets into DA3).

More problematically, it's DA:O and DA2 all over again, meaning that the artists are trying to create something 'distinctive' by taking things left and right from various periods and cultures, add a bit of fantasy sauce and call it a day. There is nothing wrong with mixing and matching stuff, but you do have to make an effort to make it look cohesive. A lot of fantasy visuals fail in this, it's not a Dragon Age specific issue, but these days we have games who have tried and succeeded reasonably well in doing this more or less right. People are going to notice.

In a nutshell: The people don't look like they are from the same continent and same time period, considering the fact that they all belong to cultures that are interrelated and have been in contact and influenced each other for centuries. When you look at Europe and the Middle East in 1500-1700, for instance, there are clearly distinctive styles of dress, often quite beautiful but they are also related to each other, and in the case of major differences you can easily see transitions based on time and geography. 

If you just throw things together, they 'clash' with each other (even if not everybody notices it or is troubled by it), a bit like these two guys:



(Though even if you recognise the 'Frankenstein school of visual design' and are really, really annoyed by it, the game can still be quite good, like DA:O).

Wulfram wrote...

Henioo wrote...
And on-topic-like, is it me, or are BW altering the established Fereldan noble fashion? I don't remember them looking anything like that. 

Yes, but the previous Fereldan noble clothes were rubbish.
Though the Fereldan outfits do remind me a bit of the CE's wedding dress.

Agreed on the crap factor. The wedding costume, I think, is actually Dwarven style, as you sometimes see in Orzammar. 

[Nymiria]

I agree with Das. Sometimes trying to hard just looks like your "trying to hard". Fashion and style should be beautiful. Sorry but as a long time student of fashion I think the designers need to rethink this and as the wonderful Tim Gunn would say, "Make it Work!"

[Brockololly]

Reznore57 wrote...

Woaw it really looks like a fashion show is going on...
If they keep that in game , it seems like they're really trying hard to give unique visuals now..
I'm not sure how i feel about the pictures...The hats for orlesians /tevinter woman looks ...not really confortable.
I'm a bit shocked about ferelden , I imagined more fur , more northern barbarian ...And the pattern give me a more south american vibe ( Inca/Indian , a bit of turquoise color on the shoulder for the woman ...)

But even if it may not really be my tastes ( well Tevinter looks really cool...) I can really apprecaite that they 're going for something different.I'm surprised actually , which is nice.

I agree with much of what you just said. If that sort of bizarre over the top look is limited the very tip top of nobility then I guess its ok. But it still looks absolutely ridiculous and just silly. Which for a place like Orlais would be fine! Everything we've heard about Orlesian culture and the nobility especially is that its kind of goofy looking like that.

My problem is that honestly, all three of those designs don't look that different and they don't tell me much about any of the culture/geography of their respective locations. The Orlesian one looks fine I guess- its Fantasy France. Ferelden though? Eh.. The guy looks like he's wearing a table cloth. And the chunky angular designs look like they'd be better suited to Dwarves. Like you said, where is the fur and the more rustic kind of barbarian look? And the Tevinter stuff just looks like something an angsty middle school goth kid would have sketched on their folder in detention.

The Ferelden and Tevinter stuff just looks so incredibly ridiculous to the point of not looking practical or believable in any way. Which sure, if its nobility high fashion, thats probably the point. But half of it simply looks like its breaking the laws of physics, what with all of the continued use of hard angles and rigid shapes- the same thing that pervaded DA2's art.

Das Tentakel wrote...

Personally, I think these designs are fugly. But that's simply my personal value  judgment, and there's every chance that 1) it's not DA3 concept art, and 2) it might look better in-game (if it gets into DA3).

More  problematically, it's DA:O and DA2 all over again, meaning that the  artists are trying to create something 'distinctive' by taking things  left and right from various periods and cultures, add a bit of fantasy
sauce and call it a day. There is nothing wrong with mixing and matching stuff, but you do have to make an effort to make it look cohesive. A  lot of fantasy visuals fail in this, it's not a Dragon Age specific  issue, but these days we have games who have tried and succeeded  reasonably well in doing this more or less right. People are going to  notice.

In a nutshell: The people don't look like they are from  the same continent and same time period, considering the fact that they  all belong to cultures that are interrelated and have been in contact  and influenced each other for centuries. When you look at Europe and the Middle East in 1500-1700, for instance, there are clearly distinctive  styles of dress, often quite beautiful but they are also related to each other, and in the case of major differences you can easily see  transitions based on time and geography.

Well said:wizard:

Modifié par Brockololly, 24 février 2013 - 04:51 .

[Das Tentakel]

Brockololly wrote...

But it still looks absolutely ridiculous and just silly. Which for a place like Orlais would be fine! Everything we've heard about Orlesian culture and the nobility especially is that its kind of goofy looking like that.

I understand the sentiment, but the problem is that it's not fantasy France or fantasy Venice (we'll have to wait for the game itself, I guess), but that to my eye this is caricature fantasy Franco-Venice. I for one hope that we won't spend 40+ hours in caricature fantasy Franco-Venice in DA3. Seriously, you can't do this in 2013-14 post-AC2, and think people are going to like it.
At best, you hope they can mentally overcome it.

Brockololly wrote...
Ferelden though? Eh.. The guy looks like he's wearing a table cloth. And the chunky angular designs look like they'd be better suited to Dwarves. Like you said, where is the fur and the more rustic kind of barbarian look? 

If they wanted to retcon Ferelden, but go for a vaguely 1500s and after foppish look for Orlais, they might have done better to go for a ' furry'  look rooted in roughly contemporary, more severe-looking clothing styles from European history. Like this:



It would have felt more natural and part of the same broader cultural community and timeperiod, but that's just me (and to be frank, they'd still have to make the Orlais designs more ' cohesive'  and less of a caricature).

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 24 février 2013 - 05:11 .

[Wulfram]

Maybe the Fereldan outfit is a deliberate rejection of Orlesian fashions and an attempt to return to what is percieved as more authentically Alamarri?

[KingRoxas]

Now this is good to see. 

Modifié par Kingroxas, 24 février 2013 - 07:01 .

[ladyofpayne]

Big resolution

[MisterJB]

Wulfram wrote...

Maybe the Fereldan outfit is a deliberate rejection of Orlesian fashions and an attempt to return to what is percieved as more authentically Alamarri?

But one of the main characteristic of Ferelden culture that reflected on clothing was practicality. That...apron doesn't look very practical, in fact, it could be called an extravagance which is more commonly associated with Orlais.
Where is the fur on the boots of the man, for instance?

[Giubba]

MisterJB wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Maybe the Fereldan outfit is a deliberate rejection of Orlesian fashions and an attempt to return to what is percieved as more authentically Alamarri?

But one of the main characteristic of Ferelden culture that reflected on clothing was practicality. That...apron doesn't look very practical, in fact, it could be called an extravagance which is more commonly associated with Orlais.
Where is the fur on the boots of the man, for instance?

Is not an apron but a tabard that cover some kind of armor under it (or at least the guy is wearing some kind of shoulder pads ), no strange color, no overabundance of embroidery, the general color scheme is in the tone of the green/brownish and you can see some kind of stuffing coming out from the glove.

IMHO this could be weared by any Teyrn in Ferelden.

Modifié par Giubba1985, 25 février 2013 - 04:48 .

[Ilidan_DA]

From DA Facebook profile

Modifié par Wiedzmin182009, 26 février 2013 - 10:24 .

[HighMoon]

^ Very nice. I remember seeing DA3 concept art of a castle in the mountains (player home base perhaps?), maybe it will be located in the Hunterhorn mountains?

[Das Tentakel]

Wiedzmin182009 wrote...



From DA Facebook profile

Hellooooooo nice 19th century 'Seconde Empire' mantel clock .
The dwarven steam train to Val Royeaux will leave at eight o'clock OMT (Orlesian Mean Time).

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 28 février 2013 - 11:20 .

[Das Tentakel]

Double post, argh .

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 28 février 2013 - 11:18 .

[Captain Crash]

The amount of detail they are going into with these garments and even clocks fills me with a lot of confidence

Im actually surprised how many of the promotional images they released there! Normally its 15 pages tops!

[themageguy]

Reznore57 wrote...

I was reading the scans (well trying ...I think I lost an eye) and it mentions The Death Mages of Nevarra.
Saying mages in Nevarra are really powerful , and hold political power.
Those death mages seem like glorified grave diggers ...maybe they practise necromancy (can't really read that part sadly)

I never heard about this before , I know Nevarra had Dragon Hunter and a strong nobility , that there is a lot of tension between them and Orlais...but I didn't know they were open minded about mages..
I wonder if Nevarra will feature in DA 3 now , or if it's a way to make a more moderate Cassandra.

Sounds awesome!

[Swagger7]

ladyofpayne wrote...

Big resolution

I like the Ferelden tabard thing.  I think it really brings out the whole aristocratic-yet-provincial nature of the Ferelden aristocrats.  On the other hand, I have a strange desire to wear the Orlesian male costume, just with trousers instead of hose..... 

I broke down and pre-ordered the book.  I was going to wait for reviews and to see if I had a barnes & Noble coupon, but the awesome quality of these promotional pages has convinced me. 

Modifié par Swagger7, 28 février 2013 - 08:22 .

[Sjpelke]

If the Tevinter female look goes in that direction I would not mind something like this:

http://fsa.zedge.net...34a930f07e5d050

Tevinters need some drama like the Orlesians have with their wigs .

[DragonMage95]

I'm pretty excited about this book. I just pre-ordered it on amazon. I can't wait to see all the art and information.

[Ilidan_DA]

Image copyright Dark Horse and Bioware

[Marakov7]

Love the map...gives me a better "feel" for the Dragon Age world - where everything is located in relation Ferelden. Think I might have to pr-order this...

[David Gaider]

For those who are interested, Ben Gelinas (the editor whose blood and sweat went into creating the sourcebook) has written a BioBlog on his part in the World of Thedas.

[Ilidan_DA]

Nice. Thx!