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[dreamgazer]

If the Star Trek movie franchise could survive The Final Frontier, then ME can certainly survive this.

[Armass81]

I will say this, Bioware joining with EA, thats already like loading a shotgun and picking it up. DA2 and ME3 ending (infact I would say both ME2 and 3) was turning it to point at their chin. This is the point where they should really stop and consider. They are on a really thin ice here and should tread carefully.

My first suggestion for Bioware if they plan to make more games, please hire a lore guy, the little things do matter.
And also if you want to make a long series, you need to have a plan ready and stick to it. Also making awful ME producs like Deception or Paragon Lost really isnt helping you.

Modifié par Armass81, 18 février 2013 - 04:33 .

[dreamgazer]

LineHolder wrote...

You know how Jar Jar memes are still made about the prequels? Yeah. I'm expecting a lot of end-jokes to be made when the next Mass Effect comes out.

Probably, in the midst of consistent sales and bickering among fans, kinda like with Attack of the Clones.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The refuse choice needs to be where Shepard picks up Starjar and starts walking toward the Control rods and says "I've got a better idea. Control yourself." and shoves Starjar between the control rods and all the reapers start to blow up, Shepard calls for an evac and gets picked up with the new Bioware 5 second evac system, and everyone gets the hell out of there. All the reapers in the galaxy blow up, The Citadel blows up. The End. And the end music is changed to some 1980s heavy metal rock just to show everyone that they learned their lesson about slapping a 2010 pseudophilosophical BS ending on a late 1980s sci-fi action adventure RPG.

Who cares if it that makes any sense? It would be satisfying.

Then the next Mass Effect Universe game will sell without being tarnished.

[Gruntburner]

No, because what what keeping it back from being the next Star Wars or Star Trek is the fact that very few games can reach out into the mainstream, beyond a niche gamer group. It would have had to be on the level of Skyrim or CoD in order to to be truly influential on sci-fi and on culture in general.

[FlamingBoy]

the franchise is not dead (because dead is a very strong word), but it is damaged and that is undeniable. Mass effect 3 was devastating to the franchise and biowares reputation. Really its to early to tell.

Judging for EA history they have been known to close studios with recent legacies such as bioware (and perhaps mass effect with it). The only exception was the awful CandC 4 which i think every one wants to avoid.

The thing is the franchise is a sell out from the ground up, where financial incentive overrides creative decisions. What I am trying to say is the problem with mass effect and bioware is a core problem and it may take years to fix.

[3DandBeyond]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The refuse choice needs to be where Shepard picks up Starjar and starts walking toward the Control rods and says "I've got a better idea. Control yourself." and shoves Starjar between the control rods and all the reapers start to blow up, Shepard calls for an evac and gets picked up with the new Bioware 5 second evac system, and everyone gets the hell out of there. All the reapers in the galaxy blow up, The Citadel blows up. The End. And the end music is changed to some 1980s heavy metal rock just to show everyone that they learned their lesson about slapping a 2010 pseudophilosophical BS ending on a late 1980s sci-fi action adventure RPG.

Who cares if it that makes any sense? It would be satisfying.

Then the next Mass Effect Universe game will sell without being tarnished.

I think Metallica and either "Fade to Black" or "Nothing Else Matters" would be appropriate as a musical finish.

This should also feature an overlay of the Shepard standing with the dev team saying this was all just a bad joke or a dream, we get to choose which one.

The exact right word-pseudophilosophical.  I cringe every time someone says the endings are about hard choices.  No they aren't.  Maybe they're meant to be.  But they're about no choices at all.  They're insanely idiotic adaptations of ideas taken from other sources and meant to force the appearance of philosophical King Solomon-like decisions.  The only choice is to not split the baby.  So, in order to keep the baby intact the choice is to give it up.  There's no tough decision here. 

[MacroSpamMK]

Far from dead.
All the fans who left after ME3 will just be replaced when the next ME comes out.

[Ghaleon]

Sadly no while bioware sold out made a bad game it will probably become less and less the Mass Effect it started out as til it's mostly just another shooter with micro transactions that many drones will play and praise.

[xMellowhype]

Mass Effect won't be dead but the ending was the closest thing you can get to killing it.

[Epic777]

CronoDragoon wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...
They needed to build on what they did well instead of trying to continually rewrite it all.  Each game plays like some new franchise in effect and ME3 is the most disconnected.

In my opinion they did build on what they did well. The gameplay in ME3 is better than 2 and far better than 1. I thought the exploration in ME1 was crappy and boring. So they dropped it and focused on the shooting. Obviously people who value RPG-style gameplay for its own sake can feel disappointed, but ultimately I feel the Mass Effect games have been better for it. 

And that's coming from a big RPG fan.

I believe there are ways to make the RPG side better without invalidating the TPS side

[Kabooooom]

Mass Effect probably has a long and prosperous future as a third person shooter. I hope the rpg elements are not largely discarded, but I think the majority of us are suspicious that they may be.

[Iakus]

Kabooooom wrote...

Mass Effect probably has a long and prosperous future as a third person shooter. I hope the rpg elements are not largely discarded, but I think the majority of us are suspicious that they may be.

And if there's one thing the market needs, it's another shooter franchise

/sarcasm

[Kabooooom]

iakus wrote...

Kabooooom wrote...

Mass Effect probably has a long and prosperous future as a third person shooter. I hope the rpg elements are not largely discarded, but I think the majority of us are suspicious that they may be.

And if there's one thing the market needs, it's another shooter franchise

/sarcasm

Side note, was I the only one that 'wtf'd' at Halo 4's story? I only played the games, and apparently they incorporated a lot of the lore from the books, etc. into it - but it took watching the console vids and reading some lore online for me to be like 'oh, okay, now I know what is going on'. But a two minute Salvia-esque conversation with the Librarian in-game followed by more mindless shooting with limited story exposition wasn't sufficient to convey the plot fully, in my opinion.

And I am pessimistic enough, just enough, to think that is the direction that ME may be heading.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

BizkitRebellion wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

sadly, people are still willing to buy mediocre stuff.

mass effect 3 was a let down ... dialogue, story and gameplay-wise (BäM-EA!! ... BäM-AE!!).

yet, people are willing to pay for stuff, that should have been part of the original game (from ashes, leviathan) and blunt, useless sidemissions (omega). and mp-packs off course.

This^ the causal gamers are the zombies of our industry. They complain about alot that we hardcore gamers(senior gamers that is) complain about however they STILL are dumb enough to still buy there DLC and still hate even that.

The casual gamer has no self control and is the main reason why devs and publishers are focusing on them and its causing our industry to SUFFER with games that lack innovation and creativity.

To the casual gamer----- If your going to complain like the rest of us then stop buying there stuff...period!

+1000000

This problem is prevalent in the gaming industry as a whole...Everywhere you look, games are being dumbed down or being streamlined...Except CDProjektRED ...For the moment..let's hope they don't succumb to it

[Bayonet Hipshot]

[quote]Steelcan wrote...

[quote]spirosz wrote...

No. The next game will sell in hordes, it's obvious. [/quote]. What are you?
[/quote

He is indoctrinated..Just like everyone on the ME Dev team in Bioware..

[Armass81]

Kabooooom wrote...

iakus wrote...

Kabooooom wrote...

Mass Effect probably has a long and prosperous future as a third person shooter. I hope the rpg elements are not largely discarded, but I think the majority of us are suspicious that they may be.

And if there's one thing the market needs, it's another shooter franchise

/sarcasm

Side note, was I the only one that 'wtf'd' at Halo 4's story? I only played the games, and apparently they incorporated a lot of the lore from the books, etc. into it - but it took watching the console vids and reading some lore online for me to be like 'oh, okay, now I know what is going on'. But a two minute Salvia-esque conversation with the Librarian in-game followed by more mindless shooting with limited story exposition wasn't sufficient to convey the plot fully, in my opinion.

And I am pessimistic enough, just enough, to think that is the direction that ME may be heading.

No you werent. When I watched the playthrough, I had no idea who the big guy (didact) was and why he hated humans. Yeah didnt read the novels, you shouldnt have to read them to understand the basics of what the hell is going on. All i saw was pretty much  "grrr me big angry alien, me go kill humans now or turn them into robots for some reason". Also I tought we made peace with the covenant, why are they attacking you again? " A lot can change in 5 years" yeah thanks Cortana, but I would have wanted something more than that. An explanation maybe.

Modifié par Armass81, 18 février 2013 - 06:25 .

[Kabooooom]

Armass81 wrote...

Kabooooom wrote...

iakus wrote...

Kabooooom wrote...

Mass Effect probably has a long and prosperous future as a third person shooter. I hope the rpg elements are not largely discarded, but I think the majority of us are suspicious that they may be.

And if there's one thing the market needs, it's another shooter franchise

/sarcasm

Side note, was I the only one that 'wtf'd' at Halo 4's story? I only played the games, and apparently they incorporated a lot of the lore from the books, etc. into it - but it took watching the console vids and reading some lore online for me to be like 'oh, okay, now I know what is going on'. But a two minute Salvia-esque conversation with the Librarian in-game followed by more mindless shooting with limited story exposition wasn't sufficient to convey the plot fully, in my opinion.

And I am pessimistic enough, just enough, to think that is the direction that ME may be heading.

No you werent. When I watched the playthrough, I had no idea who the big guy (didact) was and why he hated humans. Yeah didnt read the novels, you shouldnt have to read them to understand the basics of what the hell is going on. All i saw was pretty much  "grrr me big angry alien, me go kill humans now or turn them into robots for some reason".

And his motivation is still pretty sketch even with the backstory. I mean I get the human-forerunner war and why he was all pissed, but that was like 100,000 years in the past or something and his wife locked him up for being a douche. Time to move on, bro.

I didn't mind the Covenant story arc of the previous games. In fact, I actually loved it. But Halo 4 is pretty poorly written. Every time I think about some of the complaints I have about ME3, I instantly think "yeah, but it is way, way, way better than Halo 4 story-wise".

[Armass81]

Kabooooom wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

Kabooooom wrote...

iakus wrote...

Kabooooom wrote...

Mass Effect probably has a long and prosperous future as a third person shooter. I hope the rpg elements are not largely discarded, but I think the majority of us are suspicious that they may be.

And if there's one thing the market needs, it's another shooter franchise

/sarcasm

Side note, was I the only one that 'wtf'd' at Halo 4's story? I only played the games, and apparently they incorporated a lot of the lore from the books, etc. into it - but it took watching the console vids and reading some lore online for me to be like 'oh, okay, now I know what is going on'. But a two minute Salvia-esque conversation with the Librarian in-game followed by more mindless shooting with limited story exposition wasn't sufficient to convey the plot fully, in my opinion.

And I am pessimistic enough, just enough, to think that is the direction that ME may be heading.

No you werent. When I watched the playthrough, I had no idea who the big guy (didact) was and why he hated humans. Yeah didnt read the novels, you shouldnt have to read them to understand the basics of what the hell is going on. All i saw was pretty much  "grrr me big angry alien, me go kill humans now or turn them into robots for some reason".

And his motivation is still pretty sketch even with the backstory. I mean I get the human-forerunner war and why he was all pissed, but that was like 100,000 years in the past or something and his wife locked him up for being a douche. Time to move on, bro.

I didn't mind the Covenant story arc of the previous games. In fact, I actually loved it. But Halo 4 is pretty poorly written. Every time I think about some of the complaints I have about ME3, I instantly think "yeah, but it is way, way, way better than Halo 4 story-wise".

Or god forbid, Metroid Other M. Theres real franchise raping for you. I said this in the other thread, but as bad as Mac Walters's writing tends to be sometimes, at least hes lightyears ahead of Yoshio Sakamotos crap in Other M. *Shudders*

Also I have no idea why the hell Sakamoto decided to remove the excellent Prime trilogy from his Metroid canon. Was it cause he was jealous of what the Retro had made? I mean saving the galaxy from phazon is at least as important as saving it from metroids aint it? Its funny tough that the Prime series succeeds amazingly in contrast to Sakamotos own Other M that fails miserably as part of the Metroid franchise.

Modifié par Armass81, 18 février 2013 - 06:56 .

[kavox]

If EA can keep a franchise like Madden alive, with its utterly horrible gameplay and ridiculous glitches, they will keep ME alive. Just like they cash in on sports fans like my bro, who ignore these problems, in order to keep Madden alive while putting in the least amount of development possible, they will keep ME alive through CoD and Gears fan crowds.

[AlanC9]

Epic777 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...
In my opinion they did build on what they did well. The gameplay in ME3 is better than 2 and far better than 1. I thought the exploration in ME1 was crappy and boring. So they dropped it and focused on the shooting. Obviously people who value RPG-style gameplay for its own sake can feel disappointed, but ultimately I feel the Mass Effect games have been better for it. 

And that's coming from a big RPG fan.

I believe there are ways to make the RPG side better without invalidating the TPS side

That doesn't answer the important question. Is doing exploration (or any other "RPG" element) important enough to commit the necessary resources to it? Enough to do it well?

[Indy_S]

AlanC9 wrote...

That doesn't answer the important question. Is doing exploration (or any other "RPG" element) important enough to commit the necessary resources to it? Enough to do it well?

I don't think anyone on here can truly answer that question. I hope it remains important enough. I like RPG's.