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[xtal84]

I'm curious: why do so many people who have sworn off the Mass Effect series still frequent these forums? Maybe interesting discussions could take place again if every thread wasn't bogged down with "the ending of ME3 was objectively awful and it ruined my life...but I still come to these forums and post constantly."

This should really stop. If you're unable to come to terms with everything that's gone on and accepted what is, for better or worse, at least settle down with hammering every post with, what is at this point, trivial bickering.

On topic: I think the ME universe has so many places to go and so many stories to be told, I look forward to them. Personally, I regard ME3 as a well-written (mostly), dramatic and entertaining adventure with the best pacing in the series, so I still have faith in BioWare. Even if I don't like the logic of the star child or the explanation behind the Reapers, at the end of the day I'm still able to do what we always set out to do on Shepard's mission: end the reaper threat.

The end was a bumpy ride at times, but the ultimate promise was delivered. A few nagging issues won't have me write off the franchise.

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

xtal84 wrote...

I don't like the logic of the star child

I get the distinct impression we're not supposed to like it. The Catalyst is a cold, inhuman, unfeeling, machine intelligence.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Greylycantrope wrote...

It's not bucking any trends though, the Deus Ex comparison is not made lightly. We've litarelly seen this sort three option set up before.

The Walking Dead bucks the traitional storyline, yet it doesn't suffer from the same backlash ME3 did. There's a certainly level of comeptance attached to execution of either game's finale and ME3 falls woesfully short as a formula to be emulated by others.

You say that like people won't try and do it anyway, even if they can;t pull it off.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
You say that like people won't try and do it anyway, even if they can;t pull it off.

I in fact said earlier that they will since this is not a new thing. ME isn't the pioneer of this trend however, ME itself was emulating others is what I'm saying.

[clarkusdarkus]

To be honest, ME3 was mediocre way before the ending masked it's other problems, My problems with ME are it's direction, Micro-transactions are a guarantee, twitter Gimmicks, Apps, Comics, MP.... ME3 just didnt seem catered towards me and my SP RPG fix... And the future for ME will not be any different....i didnt buy any ME3 dlc and dont plan too, i wont buy the next ME either as like i just stated...i will not be it's target audience, And i was the kinda fan that bought all dlc for ME1/2 aswell as merchandise.

[TurianRebel212]

No of course not. Two words.

Electronic Arts. EA won't let Mass Effect die out completely they will milk it until it's bone dry.

The better question is 'will the endings of Mass Effect 3 alter the quality of the series forever?


The answer is yes. The Mass Effect series will never be as good as it's first two games. The quality will continue to drop until it becomes a COD type of game. Release every 1 year to 18 months. Maybe becoming a free2play mmo or fps.

It will happen. It is inevitable.

[M Hedonist]

Mass Effect will continue to be a giant, long lasting franchise thanks to the added multiplayer component. Just look at the multiplayer forums. There's a strong following right there that will be buying the next Mass Effect and the Mass Effect after that no matter what the plot is, as long as there's multiplayer.
Now, whether it will be a good or meaningful franchise, is a whole other question.

[TurianRebel212]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

To be honest, ME3 was mediocre way before the ending masked it's other problems, My problems with ME are it's direction, Micro-transactions are a guarantee, twitter Gimmicks, Apps, Comics, MP.... ME3 just didnt seem catered towards me and my SP RPG fix... And the future for ME will not be any different....i didnt buy any ME3 dlc and dont plan too, i wont buy the next ME either as like i just stated...i will not be it's target audience, And i was the kinda fan that bought all dlc for ME1/2 aswell as merchandise.

one of the best short to the point post's about ME3 I've seen in a while. Agree completly.

[Nerevar-as]

Sauruz wrote...

Mass Effect will continue to be a giant, long lasting franchise thanks to the added multiplayer component. Just look at the multiplayer forums. There's a strong following right there that will be buying the next Mass Effect and the Mass Effect after that no matter what the plot is, as long as there's multiplayer.
Now, whether it will be a good or meaningful franchise, is a whole other question.

But how many people play MP? This isn´t CoD, I doubt ME can live on that alone.

[Dr_Extrem]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

To be honest, ME3 was mediocre way before the ending masked it's other problems, My problems with ME are it's direction, Micro-transactions are a guarantee, twitter Gimmicks, Apps, Comics, MP.... ME3 just didnt seem catered towards me and my SP RPG fix... And the future for ME will not be any different....i didnt buy any ME3 dlc and dont plan too, i wont buy the next ME either as like i just stated...i will not be it's target audience, And i was the kinda fan that bought all dlc for ME1/2 aswell as merchandise.

it is sad ... and so true.

[M Hedonist]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Mass Effect will continue to be a giant, long lasting franchise thanks to the added multiplayer component. Just look at the multiplayer forums. There's a strong following right there that will be buying the next Mass Effect and the Mass Effect after that no matter what the plot is, as long as there's multiplayer.
Now, whether it will be a good or meaningful franchise, is a whole other question.

But how many people play MP? This isn´t CoD, I doubt ME can live on that alone.

Enough so they can release free MP DLC and still cover their expenses through micro-transactions.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...
You say that like people won't try and do it anyway, even if they can;t pull it off.

I in fact said earlier that they will since this is not a new thing. ME isn't the pioneer of this trend however, ME itself was emulating others is what I'm saying.

Just becasue Deus Ex had a similar ending, doesn't mean that ME ripped off Deus ex. Besides, you can see it also as bringing back endings in which things are not so black and white back into mainstream gaming. But than again this point might be highly contested on these forums.

[Dr_Extrem]

Sauruz wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Mass Effect will continue to be a giant, long lasting franchise thanks to the added multiplayer component. Just look at the multiplayer forums. There's a strong following right there that will be buying the next Mass Effect and the Mass Effect after that no matter what the plot is, as long as there's multiplayer.
Now, whether it will be a good or meaningful franchise, is a whole other question.

But how many people play MP? This isn´t CoD, I doubt ME can live on that alone.

Enough so they can release free MP DLC and still cover their expenses through micro-transactions.

i play mp on occasion ... but my manifest is far from being complete - i dont even have revenant I

if you look at the mp-forum, where people show off their maxed equipment, you get the feeling, that they brought the packages with bw-points. it is hard to get a full manifest, if items, you have already maxed out, still drop if you buy boxes.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 18 février 2013 - 08:36 .

[Atekimagus]

The Mad Hanar wrote...
I understand what you are saying, and I was using that logic when I used the numbers from the poll. I figure the at least a good percentage of the die hard fans that would feel burned would come to this or other forums and take part in the polls. That was the biggest one I found, and you were right. About 91% of the people who took that poll did say they disliked the ending and their dislike of the ending was strong enough to take place in that poll. I feel that this is a good measure of how the die hard fans felt at the time. An overwhelming majority of die hard fans were at least dissapointed with the ending and consequenlty the game. The thing is though, the amount of die hard fans is extremely small when compared to the total amount of people who buy the game.

Interesting. Well it is hard to say but if you are right and 70k people took part in the pool (or at least voted against the endingds) I would say that this is statistically relevant and you should have a good cross-section of people who bought this product.

So I wouldn't say only die hard fans vote one way or the other. Since you basically HAVE to join BSN in order to play, it is incredibly easy for everyone to voice his/her opinion and imho you don't have to be a die hard fan of something to complain about it, if it did not match your expectations.

The Mad Hanar wrote...
It's really the die hard fans that will feel personally burned or even hurt by the direction of the series. Their the ones who won't buy the next game if they are dissapointed by it. More casual fans of the series, such as myself, will generally give the next game a chance as long as the previous installment had something that held interest and if the reviews (both professional and word-of-mouth) are good.

Interesting, I see it completely the other way. The really die hard fans will go through great lengths to explain why narrative bowl movements smell good and are sure to buy the next one just because.

Whereas more casual fans, like myself, who expected the same level of quality like in the previous games are pretty disapointed and loose pretty much interest in the franchise. They dropped the ball, onwards to new games.

An argument can probably be made for both viewpoints.

The Mad Hanar wrote...
Also it's difficult, at least for me, to find DLC sales.

One can only hope they bombed there, not because of their ending but because I hate DLCs with a passion. Yeah I am a bit old-fashioned but what is next? You go to the cinema and every 10 minutes you have to insert a coin to continue watching?

[SpamBot2000]

Yes.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
Just becasue Deus Ex had a similar ending, doesn't mean that ME ripped off Deus ex. Besides, you can see it also as bringing back endings in which things are not so black and white back into mainstream gaming. But than again this point might be highly contested on these forums.

It certianly borrows very heavily from Deus Ex, and again if there's a certain revival of these sort of concepts ME isn't the sole one responsible for a non traditional endings. Spec Ops the Line, Walking Dead, Assassin's Creed 3 all came out in the same year, with non tradtional conclusions in terms of writing Deus Ex: HR (a game the bioware dev team mentioned playing during the development of ME3) the year before. If ME is reviving a trend it isn't alone and again certainly not pioneering the revival merely paticipating in it.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 18 février 2013 - 11:14 .

[Pelle6666]

No, ME3 was the conclusion to the story arc, but that doesn't rule out prequels or canon based sequels. I'm happy with what they did with the series so even if it ended right now I'd be happy. Still, more DLC never hurts and a new game would be awesome!

[TheRealJayDee]

iakus wrote...

MassEffectFShep wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Yeah, I'd say the poor handling of ME3--especially the ending--kind of ruined the appeal of the franchise for me. It made me feel like nothing mattered anymore, that the soul of the IP had been thrown out the window for the sake of some last-minute need to make an out-of-place philosophical point.  I can't see Mass Effect regaining its former glory after that.

Agreed.

I think the elements that made the franchise worthwhile, and the elements which got many of us hooked on and interested in the games, will always be there. I will always remember Shepard's story, and all the amazing characters that were a part of it. The element of personalization and choice in ME1 and ME2 were well done, and those will always stand out as making Mass Effect unique and different from other franchises that could have reached a similar potential. But there will always be a "but the ending..." for me and many others, which will be the shadow following the franchise around. It could have been so much more than it ended up being, which sucks.

Basically, the ending doesn't take away the great parts/moments in the game, but it does take something away. Like an amazing song that builds to a powerful climax and then ends with a sforzando in the wrong key.

It also makes one concerned about the future.  Why should I get invested in a new character and a new story, when it could all end up like this again?  Do I want to be told again and again "You're choices matter, you are shaping this tale" only to be told at the very end "trolol, nope!"?

I guess the ME franchise will continue with a certain success, but many people who once loved the universe won't be back at all or will at least be very cautious to get as invested again as they were, both emotionally and financially.

[Epique Phael767]

 By saying that the next installment of ME doesn't have to be a prequel, sequel, or midquel, they have allbut destroyed all of my interest in the next game. I want this part of the ME universe explained, and even moreso than that I believe it only fair that they should be forced to find a way to make the current endings and story logical and fulfilling. I see them wanting to expand the ME universe in this manner as a way to opt out of facing the consequences of their own bad writing.

I can assure you, if the next game isn't a direct sequel, I and many more will have no interest in throwing EA our money any longer.

[Tymathee]

Nope, once it's on the FB2 engine, it will really pick up IMO, it's not as limited and I'm going to guess we will see the next ME start off on the next gen so it will have more memory size and space and we will be able to see how good they can really be.

[ManOfSteel]

No.

[knightnblu]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

DC111 wrote...

Here's the word!. Mark it!.. Carve it in stone!.

The story, mythology, universe that is ME1 and ME2, was so great that I (as well as many others) Proclaimed that it was the best entertainment driven scientific universe available to man (in the same breath if not intellectually better than Star wars) to date. "!".

After playing ME3 my heart sunk to the low disappointing bowls of depth unknown prior to discovery.
I could no longer recommend it as I once have...
I could only say that it was a good ride.. "jump off before the end"


let me put it to you this way.. Star Wars sold for 4 billion dollars (I'm a 40 year old PM.. I understand, from multiple aspects of what this means);
and I thought that at one time the ME universe would one day rival that of Star Wars.

It is beyond functional compression why EA/Bioware would allow this ending (original perception of ME3) to preset without rebuttal or clarification for so long. They have damaged the brand of ME tremendously!

I just hope that they have enough good sense to make it right..... Pride and bad PR advice is a Terribly drug .

Noted...

And well said.

Agreed

[Nerevar-as]

Tymathee wrote...

Nope, once it's on the FB2 engine, it will really pick up IMO, it's not as limited and I'm going to guess we will see the next ME start off on the next gen so it will have more memory size and space and we will be able to see how good they can really be.

What went wrong with ME3 narrative were design choices, not limited hardware.

[Smeffects]

There is one thing ME3 assured, it will not be something that is timeless. Unlike star wars or star trek, Mass effect will never cross media on such a scale because of this poor ending. You can be sure ME could have been this generation star wars, instead its gona be milked like call of duty until its dust. Make the fan hate every new game more then the last, scratch your heads and be angry at what could have been. They just lacked vision.

Give it 10 years and we wont even remember how this crap ended or care. Bioware was close, but they just couldnt pull their weight on an universal level. Since this is x10 more mediocre then SW ROTJ ending, dont expect much future to this franchise except some game reinstatement until the money is not there anymore. If you arent good enough with your art alone, the corporate world is the only place to succed and its the path ME will take.

Modifié par Smeffects, 19 février 2013 - 12:46 .