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Why cancel DA2 DLC if DA3 is coming 2014?


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#101
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LinksOcarina wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

AlexJK wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Semi-confirmed rumor.

Somebody's going to take one of these seriously sooner or later, and then what will you do, eh?

Chuckle quietly, perhaps.

Hm. :whistle:


I'm actually pretty sure I won't even have the decency to do it quietly. :devil:


this is why rumors are silly.


Rumors are silly.

Semi-confirmed rumor.

#102
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Because doing Felicia Day's self-insert was more important for Bioware's time and money than The Exalted March.

Yes, I'm just a little irritated.

Hahah, indeed.

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TAJ4Life wrote...
From what I recently read it now seems DA3 is coming out 2014 and an expansion for DA2 has been cancelled.

Personally I think this is not fair, I love the DA series and DA1 had plentiful dlc especially Awakening which was well worth its price. If the DA2 dlc was going to be on par with Awakening it would have been very nice to have something more to play up until DA3 gets released even.

Bioware please could you release some more DLC for DA2 in the mean time, I've played DA1 around 6 times and just started my 6th game on DA2.


Firstly, we've not announced an official release date for DA3. We've certainly said nothing about 2014.

Secondly, the planned DA2 expansion was indeed canceled... a while back, that fact being mentioned here on the forums by the Project Director Mark Darrah. Despite what some here might want to believe, the DA2 DLC did quite well thank you, and we were very excited to begin work on the expansion. The choice, as it ended up, was between working on an expansion or putting the extra amount of time and effort into DA3 that we felt it deserved. An expansion is a huge undertaking, after all, and we could not work on both projects at the same time. While you may not be seeing much DA stuff at the moment, trust that we're hard at work on it and making good use of the resources not doing the expansion freed up.

Some of the planned expansion story has been folded into DA3, so you won't see us commenting on the form it would have taken (or could have-- it's usually rare to have a project turn out exactly like it's planned). I'll miss it, myself, for a variety of reasons... and had we known ahead of time things were going to work out as they did, we might have done things a little differently in the DA2 DLC's (even though I thought they both turned out really well). But c'est la vie, I guess. Hopefully you'll agree the effort on DA3 is worth it when you finally get a look.

Modifié par David Gaider, 19 février 2013 - 05:20 .


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The main problem is that Hawke's story, absent the expansion, feels unfinished. Just a hardened killer who was a tool of fate and was on rails.

Modifié par Taritu, 19 février 2013 - 05:39 .


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David Gaider wrote...

TAJ4Life wrote...
From what I recently read it now seems DA3 is coming out 2014 and an expansion for DA2 has been cancelled.

Personally I think this is not fair, I love the DA series and DA1 had plentiful dlc especially Awakening which was well worth its price. If the DA2 dlc was going to be on par with Awakening it would have been very nice to have something more to play up until DA3 gets released even.

Bioware please could you release some more DLC for DA2 in the mean time, I've played DA1 around 6 times and just started my 6th game on DA2.


Firstly, we've not announced an official release date for DA3. We've certainly said nothing about 2014.

Secondly, the planned DA2 expansion was indeed canceled... a while back, that fact being mentioned here on the forums by the Project Director Mark Darrah. Despite what some here might want to believe, the DA2 DLC did quite well thank you, and we were very excited to begin work on the expansion. The choice, as it ended up, was between working on an expansion or putting the extra amount of time and effort into DA3 that we felt it deserved. An expansion is a huge undertaking, after all, and we could not work on both projects at the same time. While you may not be seeing much DA stuff at the moment, trust that we're hard at work on it and making good use of the resources not doing the expansion freed up.

Some of the planned expansion story has been folded into DA3, so you won't see us commenting on the form it would have taken (or could have-- it's usually rare to have a project turn out exactly like it's planned). I'll miss it, myself, for a variety of reasons... and had we known ahead of time things were going to work out as they did, we might have done things a little differently in the DA2 DLC's (even though I thought they both turned out really well). But c'est la vie, I guess. Hopefully you'll agree the effort on DA3 is worth it when you finally get a look.


And that's the news I like the hear :D, no news means everyone's busy! 

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EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

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It ( DA2 ) lacks in almost every single area imaginable. The only redeeming quality it has is it's characters, and two of them (Carver and Anders) were terrible. The story was all over the place, the level design and repetition was terrible, and the graphics and art left much to be desired. Oh, and we can't forget the biggest flaw: Kirkwall.

How can you say it's a good game when almost everything about it is bad?


QFT.

While I am aware that taste is subjective, it so well sums up my own experince with DA2. 

IMO, DA:O was one of the best games I'd played in years. However, the DLC was somewhat underwhelming. Then came an expansion, DA:A, which I had so high expectations to and which was such a bitter dissapointment.

After that, DA2, which was so poor I couldn't even finish it.

If DA is to survive as a franchise, DA:I needs to score big, and not in paid for "reviews", but in actual copies sold! If it fails DA is dead! Throwing good money after bad by producing more DLC for a game that had so poor sales, seems a very dumb idea. Focusing on making DA:I a game on par with DA:O seems a good idea!

I cross my fingers that DA:I will be a return to form.... though I am very wary, and I will definately want to check it out, just like I did with DA2, before deciding wether to buy it or not.

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David Gaider wrote...

TAJ4Life wrote...
From what I recently read it now seems DA3 is coming out 2014 and an expansion for DA2 has been cancelled.

Personally I think this is not fair, I love the DA series and DA1 had plentiful dlc especially Awakening which was well worth its price. If the DA2 dlc was going to be on par with Awakening it would have been very nice to have something more to play up until DA3 gets released even.

Bioware please could you release some more DLC for DA2 in the mean time, I've played DA1 around 6 times and just started my 6th game on DA2.


Firstly, we've not announced an official release date for DA3. We've certainly said nothing about 2014.

Secondly, the planned DA2 expansion was indeed canceled... a while back, that fact being mentioned here on the forums by the Project Director Mark Darrah. Despite what some here might want to believe, the DA2 DLC did quite well thank you, and we were very excited to begin work on the expansion. The choice, as it ended up, was between working on an expansion or putting the extra amount of time and effort into DA3 that we felt it deserved. An expansion is a huge undertaking, after all, and we could not work on both projects at the same time. While you may not be seeing much DA stuff at the moment, trust that we're hard at work on it and making good use of the resources not doing the expansion freed up.

Some of the planned expansion story has been folded into DA3, so you won't see us commenting on the form it would have taken (or could have-- it's usually rare to have a project turn out exactly like it's planned). I'll miss it, myself, for a variety of reasons... and had we known ahead of time things were going to work out as they did, we might have done things a little differently in the DA2 DLC's (even though I thought they both turned out really well). But c'est la vie, I guess. Hopefully you'll agree the effort on DA3 is worth it when you finally get a look.



I know I'm pretty negative towards Bioware at the moment and I dont have too many positive things to say but this is cool. 

Thanks for taking the time to give us honest,
sincere and courteous feedback. It's appreciated.

I'm very curious  to see where you guys go with DA3 ... good luck.

:o

Modifié par jlmaclachlan, 19 février 2013 - 12:54 .


#108
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TMZuk wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

.....

It ( DA2 ) lacks in almost every single area imaginable. The only redeeming quality it has is it's characters, and two of them (Carver and Anders) were terrible. The story was all over the place, the level design and repetition was terrible, and the graphics and art left much to be desired. Oh, and we can't forget the biggest flaw: Kirkwall.

How can you say it's a good game when almost everything about it is bad?


QFT.

While I am aware that taste is subjective, it so well sums up my own experince with DA2. 

IMO, DA:O was one of the best games I'd played in years. However, the DLC was somewhat underwhelming. Then came an expansion, DA:A, which I had so high expectations to and which was such a bitter dissapointment.

After that, DA2, which was so poor I couldn't even finish it.

If DA is to survive as a franchise, DA:I needs to score big, and not in paid for "reviews", but in actual copies sold! If it fails DA is dead! Throwing good money after bad by producing more DLC for a game that had so poor sales, seems a very dumb idea. Focusing on making DA:I a game on par with DA:O seems a good idea!

I cross my fingers that DA:I will be a return to form.... though I am very wary, and I will definately want to check it out, just like I did with DA2, before deciding wether to buy it or not.

DA2 was the exact opposite of DA:O.  The main game wasn't as good as DA:O, but the DLC was much better than DA:O's and showed that Bioware learned their lessons on the stuff that they could fix in the game.

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David Gaider wrote...

I'll miss it, myself, for a variety of reasons... and had we known ahead of time things were going to work out as they did, we might have done things a little differently in the DA2 DLC's (even though I thought they both turned out really well). But c'est la vie, I guess. Hopefully you'll agree the effort on DA3 is worth it when you finally get a look.

This seems like a reference to wrapping Hawke's story up a bit more than what we were left with at the end of DA2. Can you please consider doing a dev blog after DA3 release talking about some of that stuff? I know many more people than just myself would love that. :D

Modifié par nightscrawl, 19 février 2013 - 01:00 .


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nightscrawl wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

I'll miss it, myself, for a variety of reasons... and had we known ahead of time things were going to work out as they did, we might have done things a little differently in the DA2 DLC's (even though I thought they both turned out really well). But c'est la vie, I guess. Hopefully you'll agree the effort on DA3 is worth it when you finally get a look.

This seems like a reference to wrapping Hawke's story up a bit more than what we were left with at the end of DA2. Can you please consider doing a dev blog after DA3 release talking about some of that stuff? I know many more people than just myself would love that. :D

 I do agree.

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I would have loved to have an expansion for DA2. Currently playing it again, I really enjoy that game. Not saying that I would not be happy for an reason to leave Kirkwall for a bit, all those little things that a whole group of players found irritating. But the dlc that came out for DA2, legacy and MotA were really really great, made me look forward to more content for DA2. Oh well, will just have to wait a bit longer for my DA-fix.

And as always different people like different things. Carver was one of the best characters in the game for me personally. He is the reason that I find it so difficult to play anything else than a mage, I just enjoy him more than Bethany even if she is very sweet. I happen to be in the camp of people who prefer DA2 to DA:O even if I have very fond memories of the later game. Here's hoping everyone will find something they enjoy in DA3.

Good luck on DA3... please hurry =)

Modifié par SilentK, 19 février 2013 - 02:10 .


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Yea, this made me sad to hear, too. I loved DA2 and will miss getting extra time to spend with Hawke & Co. The DA2 DLC, at least, was great and had fully voiced companion dialogue.

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I'm all for the "extra time and effort into DA3" since there is so much potential after the events of DA2.
And especially since many were not quite happy with it as well.

Having more people on it certainly means more production time into it. It's all good.

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I'd rather them put more time in DA3 as they seem to be doing going on Gaider's post. So that's good news.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 19 février 2013 - 03:32 .


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A DLC can only do so much. The biggest problem still lies with the core game design, and no DLCs could fix it. For that matter, as with many other DA 2's customers who are not happy with the core, I too have decided to stop my purchase for anything related to DA 2, and wait for DA 3.

So I guess it is a wise move, for BioWare to move the team to "other bigger opportunity" or "the next big thing".

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David Gaider wrote...
and had we known ahead of time things were going to work out as they did, we might have done things a little differently in the DA2 DLC's (even though I thought they both turned out really well).


In some aspects, the DLCs were better than the game itself. I just wish the last one was about Hawke & gang than an outsider. That was a sad goobye to DA2.

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I loved DA2 and its content, but I'd rather them work on the new game.

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Urazz wrote...

DA2 was the exact opposite of DA:O.  The main game wasn't as good as DA:O, but the DLC was much better than DA:O's and showed that Bioware learned their lessons on the stuff that they could fix in the game.

Well, that's kinda the problem. Bioware isn't an inexperienced game developer. So, DA2 was really out of left field and Mike Laidlaw's defense of the game only helped to brew even more contempt for the game and Bioware as a company.

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EDIT:

I am a fool who misread what you said Epic.

My bad. Carry on. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 19 février 2013 - 05:49 .


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LinksOcarina wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Urazz wrote...

DA2 was the exact opposite of DA:O.  The main game wasn't as good as DA:O, but the DLC was much better than DA:O's and showed that Bioware learned their lessons on the stuff that they could fix in the game.

Well, that's kinda the problem. Bioware isn't an inexperienced game developer. So, DA2 was really out of left field and Mike Laidlaw's defense of the game only helped to brew even more contempt for the game and Bioware as a company.


What?

Can you elaborate on that one...I know it might turn into a long discussion thats off topic but I want to hear the reason why before I say anythning further...

Umm... because they have quite a few games under their belt? BG, NWN, KOTOR, ME, DA, TOR, etc...

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edit:

I am a fool who misread the quote. My mistake. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 19 février 2013 - 05:48 .


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nevermind please ignore this post

Modifié par n7stormrunner, 19 février 2013 - 06:00 .


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EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Mike Laidlaw's defense of the game only helped to brew even more contempt for the game and Bioware as a company.


I know right? How dare someone not agree with us. Those filthy dirty scumbags.Posted Image

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I know right? How dare someone not agree with us. Those filthy dirty scumbags.Posted Image


I thought it had to do with Laidlaw saying that they were listening to the concerns of the fans (in the "Thank You" thread), and that choices would matter, only to be followed by two DLCs where Hawke's choices didn't matter.

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addiction21 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Mike Laidlaw's defense of the game only helped to brew even more contempt for the game and Bioware as a company.


I know right? How dare someone not agree with us. Those filthy dirty scumbags.Posted Image


We didn´t get the game´s innovations. Yeah, sure, whatever.<_<

I´ve never seen an industry that blames the consumer for a product´s failures. So yes, contempt was the right answer.