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The single best all around weapon in the game is........
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#51
Posté 18 février 2013 - 04:03
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I totally agree. I still find myself not using this gun more often than using it. I only have it on a few classes.
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#53
Posté 18 février 2013 - 04:03
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NuclearTech76 wrote...
Two shots, slow refire rate.Leland Gaunt wrote...
Wraith, no doubt.
This is what makes a weapon good for you? You must love the geth pulse rifle with its many shots and high rate of fire.
I bet you think the cobra missile sicks too, 1 shot per clip bro.
#54
Posté 18 février 2013 - 04:04
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You can't level up Hurricane reliably.Deerber wrote...
Hurricane. I dare *you* to come up with a decent argument why the talon is superior XD
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Posté 18 février 2013 - 04:05
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avenging_teabag wrote...
Harrier, and it's not close. The thing works at any range, in any situation, on any character. It can do headshots, eats up bosses, has practically no recoil and is relatively light - no other gun is as versatile and as good for literally any circumstances. It's a no contest.
One of the heaviest assault rifles ...
#56
Posté 18 février 2013 - 04:08
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Who needs a talon when you have a krogan headbutt.
#57
Posté 18 février 2013 - 04:08
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And if they offered for the Wraith to have a faster ROF, double the clip size, and a small decrease in damage per shot that would be a bad thing right? What if they offered a mod that further increased the clip size?Boog_89 wrote...
NuclearTech76 wrote...
Two shots, slow refire rate.Leland Gaunt wrote...
Wraith, no doubt.
This is what makes a weapon good for you? You must love the geth pulse rifle with its many shots and high rate of fire.
I bet you think the cobra missile sicks too, 1 shot per clip bro.
#58
Posté 18 février 2013 - 04:14
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Deerber wrote...
IIFlash wrote...
Deerber wrote...
Hurricane. I dare *you* to come up with a decent argument why the talon is superior XD
Talon is easier to get than Hurricane for most
Yeah well, I was thinking about comparing them at the same level
I have a Talon IX and a Hurricane IX, and I would definitely say the Hurricane is superior. I love them both, but it's not even close, IMO.
#60
Posté 18 février 2013 - 04:22
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It's a toss up between
Wraith
Valkyrie
Black Widow or Valiant
Wraith
Valkyrie
Black Widow or Valiant
#61
Posté 18 février 2013 - 04:25
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BlackDahlia424 wrote...
The Harrier is the best overall weapon. High accuracy, low recoil, high DPS, medium weight. Only drawback is spare ammo, and that's highly manageable.
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Posté 18 février 2013 - 04:27
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KeeperB5 wrote...
You can't level up Hurricane reliably.Deerber wrote...
Hurricane. I dare *you* to come up with a decent argument why the talon is superior XD
Why do people keep trying to equate utility with availability? Is a Cessna 182 a superior aircraft as compared to an F-22 simply because its possible for me to acquire the former and not the latter?
Completely aside from the fact that it's fallacious, if you're going to make that argument you should be excluding the Talon as well, as any specific UR cannot be reliably leveled by the average player either; guess we'd better limit it to rares and below. The same people who have maxed manifests (or close to it) also have at least a few levels in the Hurricane, unless they're really unlucky or aren't available to play on the weekends.
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Posté 18 février 2013 - 04:28
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M-8 Avenger, no contest. Especially when explosive rounds I are applied.
Claim strongly supported by countless level 120- N7 agents rocking Platinum recently.
Claim strongly supported by countless level 120- N7 agents rocking Platinum recently.
#64
Posté 18 février 2013 - 04:29
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Arc Pistol (with charging) would be my choice. Some might laugh but:
-very low weight, even with Heavy Barrel
-Heavy Barrel adds 40% bonus damage. It's 15% more than other weapon mods. So base damage of Arc Pistol is 96,5. With those extra 15% it's 111. Now when charged it shoots 3 projectiles, each dealing 3 times normal damage. So it's 111*3*3 = 999 total damage. Higher than black widow for examble, but with 6 'bullets' in magazine instead of 3
-because it fires 3 bullets it negates shield gate(kinda like shotgun)
So if you can headshot and charge well, this weapon is going to outdps most of other weapons and still weigh almost nothing.
-very low weight, even with Heavy Barrel
-Heavy Barrel adds 40% bonus damage. It's 15% more than other weapon mods. So base damage of Arc Pistol is 96,5. With those extra 15% it's 111. Now when charged it shoots 3 projectiles, each dealing 3 times normal damage. So it's 111*3*3 = 999 total damage. Higher than black widow for examble, but with 6 'bullets' in magazine instead of 3
-because it fires 3 bullets it negates shield gate(kinda like shotgun)
So if you can headshot and charge well, this weapon is going to outdps most of other weapons and still weigh almost nothing.
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Posté 18 février 2013 - 04:29
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well since no one else is really pointing anything out, I'll tell you why the BW- Valiant are the BEST guns in the game.
#1 BW- Black widow has the 4th highest single bullet damage shot in the game 923.8. That damage is continuous no matter where you hit the target or where you hit the target from on the map (unless hitting weak point or DR spot like brute claw or armor plates) The gun also has a 3 round clip which means it can easily dispatch minimum 3 targets in 3 seconds. The gun also has built in penetration. No need for APRs or a penetration mod to be effective. The "gun" as is, only has the drawbacks of extreme weight, and slow reload even with cancel. Still overall, for the damage and pinpoint accuracy of a weapon you can drop anything from anywhere on the map. Unbeatable, especially if your good at headshotting. It is the BEST weapon in the game for any class that can manage the weight.
#1 Valiant- Same case with the black widow. Extremely fast reload, very high RoF for a great high single pellet weapon (single pellet weapons do great against all forms of health h/s/b/a) Its also very light compared to the black widow. The main drawback of the weapon is that its damage does not incapacitate some Tier 2~3 mooks on gold+, headshot included. This can be simply overcame by mods/powers, but unlike other people I realize we are talking about a gun and not a gun character combo. The gun is the BEST gun in the game for characters that can still, manage the weight, but can't cope with the Black widow.
#2 Paladin- 531 damage from anywhere on the map, DR will drop it to 481 (gold), the gun needs no mods in particular to make it good, adding mods only make the gun better, (same case with above weapons) Its another "sniper rifle" just in extremely light pocket form. For the classes you need absolutely 200% power recharge, this takes the place of Valiant and Black widow. Reason it hits the #2 spot is that its damage is so low, it can't compete with the frequent enemy drop rate of Black widow and valiant.
#2 Wraith- 2nd best accuracy shotgun in the game. Can hit targets further than any other pellet shotgun. The damage is also phenominal for its centerbalance weight. The gun also has a very reliable reload mechanic that once adapted to, enables the user to constantly deal damage to targets with powers and gunfire. Reason its only #2, its a shotgun, armor damage reduction has to be overcame by outside means.
***#2 Crusader- A shotgun that shoots a single slug. Armor is no longer an issue. Range is no longer an issue. Its the sniper rifle that you can buff with shotgun mods. Great RoF and damage for a shotgun. Built in penetration. Also the pinpoint crosshair of a predator.
*** The gun will be solid once the shotgun delay mechanic is removed from the gun so its fire. Can be overcame by "practice and prediction," but thats not the point, you should not have to adapt to a flaw in game design.***
Now for the "other weapons" and why they "aren't" the best.
Talon- Simple, its a shotgun. Shotguns shoot 8 pellets all 8 pellets suffer from DR of armored enemies. They also "spread" the longer the distance, which means the farther a target is, the less damage you do to the target due to MISSING pellets (yes even with an enemy dead center of reticule you can still miss with shotguns). Like other shotguns as well getting headshots is "random" due to the spread which means unless the target is right in your face, you wont deal maximum damage. People can its flaws can be overcame with mods/powers... but if this is a discussion about weapons and not combos, the talon fails.
Saber- another great weapon good weight for its damage and RoF. Its close to hitting #2 as well, only drawback is that its weight/damage compared to the paladin keep it out. On Silver/Bronze this weapon actually gets to #1 and pushes the Black widow out of its place, due to enemies low health and enabling the weapon to 1 shot mooks more frequently than any other high damage single pellet weapon.
Hurricane- You can't hit targets with it across the map, its actually a "shotgun SMG" does rediculous damage up close, but once a target gets some range, you HAVE to overcome its drawbacks with outside means. It also is a RoF weapon, suffers like crazy from armor DR.
Reegar- Range range range range range. It doesn't really matter if I can melt everything in the game if I can't hit anything while Im doing an objective or not right in its face. The gun also suffers the most from DR AND ARMOR than any other shotgun. Its probably the BEST weapon from fist fight range shooting, but overall, if I want to drop something before its in my squads face, this wont due.
Harrier- The gun is a RoF weapon, Suffers from DR from armor. Not much but enough to where its not making the cut. Its also good for frequent target takedown, but single shot weapons always let you target another enemy faster than RoF weapons since you are scoping anothe enemy with 1 round rather than after ensureing its dead. Also camping ammo boxes and running out of thermal clips isn't a great way to stay alive.
Claymore- ITs a shotgun...pellet spread isn't cutting it for ranged targets, also suffers DR from armor. The weight is also the same as weapons with built in cover penetration, yet it doesn't have it. (Why the fudge not?) Its also a single shot clip. (Which takes adapting to the reload cancel just to be good, not a issue for some, but thats an outside perk that MUST be done to make the gun worthwhile) Frequent target drops require you to reload after every shot, increasing the time you and your squad receive damage. Single shot clips also ensure that factions/enemies that specialize in stunning/staggering get the advantage on you, not being able to shoot back is never a good thing. Great for classes that can handle the load and drawbacks, but we are talking about the gun, and not a combo.
Javelin- Is very close to making the #2 spot, main drawbacks is that the BW just happens to dispatch non boss enemies faster, and weights less than the jav, also that its a single clip weapon. The penetration is beautiful and I do like the infared vision of the weapon, but fire delay requires you follow the target till the shot is fired. Not that bad an issue but a target running behind nonpiercible cover because I couldn't drop it when I had it scoped doesn't leave a great taste in my mouth.
Those who disagree with me, lol you probably either have no clue what your talking about, or are describing a weapon mod/ammo/power combonation which isn't a discussion about the weapon itself, rather than its awesome combo power with a particular setup. The black widow is horrible on caster classes, but its damage is so dam high, you can drop enemies with caster classes even at level 1. (which is my main setups for some level 1 casters since powers are in some cases not reliable) Reegar is the highest DPS gun in the game, but being in the crowd full of a praetorian 2 p.caps and 2 p.abominations with a reegar isn't surviving, and not shooting because of a GUNS needs to be up close isn't making any less enemies shoot back at your group.
I'm just using my experience and knowledge of how the game works to point out my "opinions" on these weapons btw. Someone else may feel a weapon is better for them. More power to them. But overall, the weapons mentioned will be the best at taking down enemie(s) *Notice I'm saying multiple enemy, single shot weapons don't drop multiples under normal means*
FASTER
Than any other gun.
#1 BW- Black widow has the 4th highest single bullet damage shot in the game 923.8. That damage is continuous no matter where you hit the target or where you hit the target from on the map (unless hitting weak point or DR spot like brute claw or armor plates) The gun also has a 3 round clip which means it can easily dispatch minimum 3 targets in 3 seconds. The gun also has built in penetration. No need for APRs or a penetration mod to be effective. The "gun" as is, only has the drawbacks of extreme weight, and slow reload even with cancel. Still overall, for the damage and pinpoint accuracy of a weapon you can drop anything from anywhere on the map. Unbeatable, especially if your good at headshotting. It is the BEST weapon in the game for any class that can manage the weight.
#1 Valiant- Same case with the black widow. Extremely fast reload, very high RoF for a great high single pellet weapon (single pellet weapons do great against all forms of health h/s/b/a) Its also very light compared to the black widow. The main drawback of the weapon is that its damage does not incapacitate some Tier 2~3 mooks on gold+, headshot included. This can be simply overcame by mods/powers, but unlike other people I realize we are talking about a gun and not a gun character combo. The gun is the BEST gun in the game for characters that can still, manage the weight, but can't cope with the Black widow.
#2 Paladin- 531 damage from anywhere on the map, DR will drop it to 481 (gold), the gun needs no mods in particular to make it good, adding mods only make the gun better, (same case with above weapons) Its another "sniper rifle" just in extremely light pocket form. For the classes you need absolutely 200% power recharge, this takes the place of Valiant and Black widow. Reason it hits the #2 spot is that its damage is so low, it can't compete with the frequent enemy drop rate of Black widow and valiant.
#2 Wraith- 2nd best accuracy shotgun in the game. Can hit targets further than any other pellet shotgun. The damage is also phenominal for its centerbalance weight. The gun also has a very reliable reload mechanic that once adapted to, enables the user to constantly deal damage to targets with powers and gunfire. Reason its only #2, its a shotgun, armor damage reduction has to be overcame by outside means.
***#2 Crusader- A shotgun that shoots a single slug. Armor is no longer an issue. Range is no longer an issue. Its the sniper rifle that you can buff with shotgun mods. Great RoF and damage for a shotgun. Built in penetration. Also the pinpoint crosshair of a predator.
*** The gun will be solid once the shotgun delay mechanic is removed from the gun so its fire. Can be overcame by "practice and prediction," but thats not the point, you should not have to adapt to a flaw in game design.***
Now for the "other weapons" and why they "aren't" the best.
Talon- Simple, its a shotgun. Shotguns shoot 8 pellets all 8 pellets suffer from DR of armored enemies. They also "spread" the longer the distance, which means the farther a target is, the less damage you do to the target due to MISSING pellets (yes even with an enemy dead center of reticule you can still miss with shotguns). Like other shotguns as well getting headshots is "random" due to the spread which means unless the target is right in your face, you wont deal maximum damage. People can its flaws can be overcame with mods/powers... but if this is a discussion about weapons and not combos, the talon fails.
Saber- another great weapon good weight for its damage and RoF. Its close to hitting #2 as well, only drawback is that its weight/damage compared to the paladin keep it out. On Silver/Bronze this weapon actually gets to #1 and pushes the Black widow out of its place, due to enemies low health and enabling the weapon to 1 shot mooks more frequently than any other high damage single pellet weapon.
Hurricane- You can't hit targets with it across the map, its actually a "shotgun SMG" does rediculous damage up close, but once a target gets some range, you HAVE to overcome its drawbacks with outside means. It also is a RoF weapon, suffers like crazy from armor DR.
Reegar- Range range range range range. It doesn't really matter if I can melt everything in the game if I can't hit anything while Im doing an objective or not right in its face. The gun also suffers the most from DR AND ARMOR than any other shotgun. Its probably the BEST weapon from fist fight range shooting, but overall, if I want to drop something before its in my squads face, this wont due.
Harrier- The gun is a RoF weapon, Suffers from DR from armor. Not much but enough to where its not making the cut. Its also good for frequent target takedown, but single shot weapons always let you target another enemy faster than RoF weapons since you are scoping anothe enemy with 1 round rather than after ensureing its dead. Also camping ammo boxes and running out of thermal clips isn't a great way to stay alive.
Claymore- ITs a shotgun...pellet spread isn't cutting it for ranged targets, also suffers DR from armor. The weight is also the same as weapons with built in cover penetration, yet it doesn't have it. (Why the fudge not?) Its also a single shot clip. (Which takes adapting to the reload cancel just to be good, not a issue for some, but thats an outside perk that MUST be done to make the gun worthwhile) Frequent target drops require you to reload after every shot, increasing the time you and your squad receive damage. Single shot clips also ensure that factions/enemies that specialize in stunning/staggering get the advantage on you, not being able to shoot back is never a good thing. Great for classes that can handle the load and drawbacks, but we are talking about the gun, and not a combo.
Javelin- Is very close to making the #2 spot, main drawbacks is that the BW just happens to dispatch non boss enemies faster, and weights less than the jav, also that its a single clip weapon. The penetration is beautiful and I do like the infared vision of the weapon, but fire delay requires you follow the target till the shot is fired. Not that bad an issue but a target running behind nonpiercible cover because I couldn't drop it when I had it scoped doesn't leave a great taste in my mouth.
Those who disagree with me, lol you probably either have no clue what your talking about, or are describing a weapon mod/ammo/power combonation which isn't a discussion about the weapon itself, rather than its awesome combo power with a particular setup. The black widow is horrible on caster classes, but its damage is so dam high, you can drop enemies with caster classes even at level 1. (which is my main setups for some level 1 casters since powers are in some cases not reliable) Reegar is the highest DPS gun in the game, but being in the crowd full of a praetorian 2 p.caps and 2 p.abominations with a reegar isn't surviving, and not shooting because of a GUNS needs to be up close isn't making any less enemies shoot back at your group.
I'm just using my experience and knowledge of how the game works to point out my "opinions" on these weapons btw. Someone else may feel a weapon is better for them. More power to them. But overall, the weapons mentioned will be the best at taking down enemie(s) *Notice I'm saying multiple enemy, single shot weapons don't drop multiples under normal means*
FASTER
Than any other gun.
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Posté 18 février 2013 - 04:30
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In class:
Sniper:black widow
AR: harrier
SMG: hurricane
Shotgun:probably wraith.
Pistol:talon. Acolyte best in class--utility.
Sniper:black widow
AR: harrier
SMG: hurricane
Shotgun:probably wraith.
Pistol:talon. Acolyte best in class--utility.
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#67
Posté 18 février 2013 - 04:32
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.........you can snipe with the TalonE_rik wrote...
Idunno about that; Pirahna gives it a pretty good run for it's money. Bigger clip with no EM, much faster firing rate, and I believe more damage (atleast as long as the talon doesnt have the heavy barral I think it does.)
EDIT: Oh, and, it can also provide a 50% melee bonus, have a piercing & damage increasing mod, and be made more accurate. Also it's very light and is suitable for any class.
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Posté 18 février 2013 - 04:33
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Wraith is the ultimate ME3 gun for the moment.
decent range, acceptable weight, good damage, godly looks. Easy to hide reload under a power.
decent range, acceptable weight, good damage, godly looks. Easy to hide reload under a power.
#69
Posté 18 février 2013 - 04:34
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ndw542 wrote...
KeeperB5 wrote...
You can't level up Hurricane reliably.Deerber wrote...
Hurricane. I dare *you* to come up with a decent argument why the talon is superior XD
Why do people keep trying to equate utility with availability? Is a Cessna 182 a superior aircraft as compared to an F-22 simply because its possible for me to acquire the former and not the latter?
Completely aside from the fact that it's fallacious, if you're going to make that argument you should be excluding the Talon as well, as any specific UR cannot be reliably leveled by the average player either; guess we'd better limit it to rares and below. The same people who have maxed manifests (or close to it) also have at least a few levels in the Hurricane, unless they're really unlucky or aren't available to play on the weekends.
Mine was a joke
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Posté 18 février 2013 - 04:35
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NuclearTech76 wrote...
Oggy666 wrote...
All great guns mentioned here (ehm...most of them), but some have small drawbacks that
exclude them from all-rounder category.
Harrier - great, except the ammo (that hacks with no box around, especially on Plat).
Claymore - great, but not truly all-rounder.
Reegar - range.
Hurricane - needs stability to become allrounder and most of the time theres no room for stab-mod.
Talon - closest to that title, but also effective range.
Piranha - range.
How did noone say CSMG...also has some drawbacks, but for me the winner.
Great damage, range, stability, no ammo need....only the ability to avoid overheating is needed.
Closely followed by Hurricane, Talon and Harrier (yet Crusader and Valiant come to mind).
The CSMG is more a niche weapon than an all around weapon. Not many people understand how to use it properly yet either. It has good damage against armor and good ammo application but isn't remarkable in DPS. It is amazing on a Drellguard or most classes that have ammo/power synergy like engineers but not an all around champ to me.
The CSMG is very weak at lower levels. So only the players with the absolute most hours in the game have it at its usable levels. And the fact that it initially consumes 2 ammo per shot when you start firing makes burst firing it inefficient. Couple that with its low clip size at low levels and you can overheat before even killing lower tier enemies.
It would make a hell of a lot more sense if they switched the mechanics of the CSR and CSMG. Make the SR consume 2 ammo at the start of firing so sustained fire is efficient and the CSMG consume 2 ammo after it warms up, making burst firing efficient.
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Posté 18 février 2013 - 04:36
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I'm not a fan of the hurricane, I prefer using the CSMG, with the CSMG I can hit things at any range and it has a 1.5x multiplier bonus vs armour. Sure the hurricane is more powerful but unless you're close to the enemy most of your shots are gonna miss (I've also used the hurricane in conjunction with barrage gear V and the lv5 stability mod and still prefer the CSMG)! When you can consistently land headshots with the CSMG you drop things real quick!
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#72
Posté 18 février 2013 - 04:38
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Ronnie Blastoff wrote...
#2 Paladin- 531 damage from anywhere on the map, DR will drop it to 481 (gold), the gun needs no mods in particular to make it good, adding mods only make the gun better, (same case with above weapons) Its another "sniper rifle" just in extremely light pocket form. For the classes you need absolutely 200% power recharge, this takes the place of Valiant and Black widow. Reason it hits the #2 spot is that its damage is so low, it can't compete with the frequent enemy drop rate of Black widow and valiant.
I don't understand why people go on about the Paladin, when it is outclassed in pretty much every way by the Arc Pistol. It's easier to unlock, is more accurate, does more damage, ignores shieldgate, and has a larger magazine. If you want a sniper rifle that is not a sniper, then the Arc Pistol is the gun for you.
#73
Posté 18 février 2013 - 04:40
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There isn't a best overall weapon for me. I simply use the best fit for whatever kit I am playing with 
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Posté 18 février 2013 - 04:41
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Best all around gun would be CSR.
And yes, i'm serious
And yes, i'm serious
#75
Posté 18 février 2013 - 04:42
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NuclearTech76 wrote...
The Talon.
I dare anyone to disagree with an intelligent argument.
we i would say the talon is top 5 at least, i don't know about the pure best. I'd probably have to go with the hurricane. its high damage output at low weight is amazing. platinum speedruns with it on teh GI just felt liek i was raping bosses quicker then i did with teh talon, harrier, and even pirhanna
