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[IIFlash]

upinya slayin wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

The Talon.

I dare anyone to disagree with an intelligent argument.

we i would say the talon is top 5 at least, i don't know about the pure best. I'd probably have to go with the hurricane. its high damage output at low weight is amazing. platinum speedruns with it on teh GI just felt liek i was raping bosses quicker then i did with teh talon, harrier, and even pirhanna

L2Spell

[sandboxgod]

PHILDARR wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

#2 Paladin- 531 damage from anywhere on the map, DR will drop it to 481 (gold), the gun needs no mods in particular to make it good, adding mods only make the gun better, (same case with above weapons) Its another "sniper rifle" just in extremely light pocket form. For the classes you need absolutely 200% power recharge, this takes the place of Valiant and Black widow. Reason it hits the #2 spot is that its damage is so low, it can't compete with the frequent enemy drop rate of Black widow and valiant.

I don't understand why people go on about the Paladin, when it is outclassed in pretty much every way by the Arc Pistol.  It's easier to unlock, is more accurate, does more damage, ignores shieldgate, and has a larger magazine. If you want a sniper rifle that is not a sniper, then the Arc Pistol is the gun for you.

You dont understand because you dont have a Paladin X. I do and I agree with Ronnie

[IIFlash]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

#1 BW -  It is the BEST weapon in the game for any class that can manage the weight.

"Best All-round" weapon needs to be a viable choice for any class as well, thread title does not ask for best weapon in the game. OP has stated it is about utiity.
You also mentioned nothing of shieldgate in your post.

[IIFlash]

sandboxgod wrote...

PHILDARR wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

#2 Paladin- 531 damage from anywhere on the map, DR will drop it to 481 (gold), the gun needs no mods in particular to make it good, adding mods only make the gun better, (same case with above weapons) Its another "sniper rifle" just in extremely light pocket form. For the classes you need absolutely 200% power recharge, this takes the place of Valiant and Black widow. Reason it hits the #2 spot is that its damage is so low, it can't compete with the frequent enemy drop rate of Black widow and valiant.

I don't understand why people go on about the Paladin, when it is outclassed in pretty much every way by the Arc Pistol.  It's easier to unlock, is more accurate, does more damage, ignores shieldgate, and has a larger magazine. If you want a sniper rifle that is not a sniper, then the Arc Pistol is the gun for you.

You dont understand because you dont have a Paladin X. I do and I agree with Ronnie

I find the Arc Pistol superior to the Paladin since the buff. 

[Zwapp]

the best all around weapon is the wraith, it fits almost any class by being lightweight, decent range with good damage

second place would be the harrier, it fits most kinds of characters aswell but may be a bit heavy for the casters.

honorable mensions goes towards acolyte and reegar, for being the most specialized weapons.

[Mariachi 43]

I read this title and before I even clicked in it, I said "the Talon" to myself. It's a shotgun in pistol form, let's be honest. And for a shotgun, it has amazing range. You can almost snipe with it. It's powerful as all hell, and it's light weight (you can get +200% on most classes with the rank 4 capacity upgrade) which makes it awesome on every class that has powers to constantly use.

I was actually running an experiment, what class doesn't decimate everything with a Talon. There aren't that many. I would really only venture to say Destroyer (Scorpion is a better pistol choice for him), Demolisher, and Krogan Soldier/Sentinel as they don't benefit too much from the light weight. Every other job is amazing with a Talon.

[sandboxgod]

IIFlash wrote...

sandboxgod wrote...

PHILDARR wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

#2 Paladin- 531 damage from anywhere on the map, DR will drop it to 481 (gold), the gun needs no mods in particular to make it good, adding mods only make the gun better, (same case with above weapons) Its another "sniper rifle" just in extremely light pocket form. For the classes you need absolutely 200% power recharge, this takes the place of Valiant and Black widow. Reason it hits the #2 spot is that its damage is so low, it can't compete with the frequent enemy drop rate of Black widow and valiant.

I don't understand why people go on about the Paladin, when it is outclassed in pretty much every way by the Arc Pistol.  It's easier to unlock, is more accurate, does more damage, ignores shieldgate, and has a larger magazine. If you want a sniper rifle that is not a sniper, then the Arc Pistol is the gun for you.

You dont understand because you dont have a Paladin X. I do and I agree with Ronnie

I find the Arc Pistol superior to the Paladin since the buff. 

Arc Pistol is really good and fun to use. Paladin is still a very solid gun I carry around on some of my biotics. Probably not the best gun but very easy to use. Doesn't need to be charged to reach its full potential. The small clip size can be a little troublesome though (3 shots). 

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Harrier by far

[PsychoticBiotic]

Before opening this thread, I thought of either the Wraith or Talon. The Hurricane is amazing, but has accuracy and stability issues. And nothing beats a Talon GI.

Modifié par PsychoticBiotic, 18 février 2013 - 05:24 .

[ToaOrka]

Eh, I disagree. The Piranha fits the same
niche with a faster ROF, bigger clip, and
better mods.

Also; I've got a Hurricane X.

[upinya slayin]

IIFlash wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

The Talon.

I dare anyone to disagree with an intelligent argument.

we i would say the talon is top 5 at least, i don't know about the pure best. I'd probably have to go with the hurricane. its high damage output at low weight is amazing. platinum speedruns with it on teh GI just felt liek i was raping bosses quicker then i did with teh talon, harrier, and even pirhanna

L2Spell

I'm a lowly console scrub, the fact i was able to tearn on a computer and navigate that dangerous interweb thingy well enough to find my way to BSN is an achievment in itself :innocent:

[sobit]

wtf?! the wraith! lightweight, good range, kills most gold troopers with a single shot and even wrecks most bosses with the right ammo.

[upinya slayin]

sandboxgod wrote...

PHILDARR wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

#2 Paladin- 531 damage from anywhere on the map, DR will drop it to 481 (gold), the gun needs no mods in particular to make it good, adding mods only make the gun better, (same case with above weapons) Its another "sniper rifle" just in extremely light pocket form. For the classes you need absolutely 200% power recharge, this takes the place of Valiant and Black widow. Reason it hits the #2 spot is that its damage is so low, it can't compete with the frequent enemy drop rate of Black widow and valiant.

I don't understand why people go on about the Paladin, when it is outclassed in pretty much every way by the Arc Pistol.  It's easier to unlock, is more accurate, does more damage, ignores shieldgate, and has a larger magazine. If you want a sniper rifle that is not a sniper, then the Arc Pistol is the gun for you.

You dont understand because you dont have a Paladin X. I do and I agree with Ronnie

I do have a paladin X and i'm gonna agree that the arc pistol is better. The paladin needs a buff pretty badly. the arcpistol has dead accuracy and does almsot as much as a claymore samage if you do a charged headhsot. the AP is very underrated and the paladin/carnifex got hit hard by power creep/ The paladin soud get a buff. its probably the worst UR gun at this ponit

[avenging_teabag]

Boog_89 wrote...

avenging_teabag wrote...

Harrier, and it's not close. The thing works at any range, in any situation, on any character. It can do headshots, eats up bosses, has practically no recoil and is relatively light - no other gun is as versatile and as good for literally any circumstances. It's a no contest.

One of the heaviest assault rifles ...

I put Harrier X on a Fury, I get 135% in cooldowns - plenty considering the additional firepower and no need for a sidearm.

Actually, I should try a Harrier Fury for the lulz.

[Beerfish]

All around? Talon is pretty good though I might go out of the box and pick the Indra. Lots of ammo, sniper rifle that fires like an AR, very light, very fast reload.

[sobit]

okay, Talon vs. Wraith.

Wraith has higher DPS, ergo bosses will die faster.
Wraith has higher max Dmg, so you can quickly dispose of nearly any trooper unit.
Talon has higher accuracy and benefits from cover, so higher range. but range is overrated anyway.
Talon has lower weight, but +200% cooldown is overrated anyway.

now i didn't factor in the mods, but that would be too much work for a proper comparison. I want to point out the second fact again. yeah, the talon has more shots and a higher RoF, so it's more forgiving if you're not good at aiming, but when sh*t hits the fan and you need to kill that trooper over there right now, the Wraith will need just one shot. and that is a vastly underrated fact. the claymore does that job even better, that's another reason why our Lord and Saviour Claymore is on his Throne.

[BACON4BREAKFAST]

CLAYMORE

*social.bioware.com/group/8259/

Modifié par BACON4BREAKFAST, 18 février 2013 - 05:57 .

[Toxophilus]

IIFlash wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

The Talon.

I dare anyone to disagree with an intelligent argument.

we i would say the talon is top 5 at least, i don't know about the pure best. I'd probably have to go with the hurricane. its high damage output at low weight is amazing. platinum speedruns with it on teh GI just felt liek i was raping bosses quicker then i did with teh talon, harrier, and even pirhanna

L2Spell

L2BRespectful

[ryoldschool]

With all the weapons we have its academic as to what is the best overall. I would never consider putting the same weapon on all kits- besides you will run out of gun rails.

I do see the talon, wraith, and harrier being used on a lot of different kits, so they might see the most overall use.

[andresft]

In a purpose-specific sense, I think the Black Widow is the best weapon in the game, in the sense that it's a near-perfect (if not perfect) sniper rifle and, more importantly, it benefits from mods/gear but it doesn't need them. Many of the greatest weapons need a certain mod (stability, piercing, ammo, scope) in order to achieve that state of maximum effectiveness, or else they're greatly impaired. You can use a Black Widow without a single mod or gear and it won't have any glaring flaws or deficiencies. This is a very important point that has been overlooked.

If versatility is to be factored in, but it's not the most important factor, I'd say the Harrier. The Talon is great for casters, but on Soldiers it's insufficient, IMO. Too range-limited. A Harrier knows no limit to how great and versatile it can be.

If versatility just is the single most important factor, then I'd say the Hurricane. For kits that are very sensitive to recharge speed, the Harrier might be a tad too heavy. The Hurricane is great on any kit from the most weapons-oriented Soldier to the most power-oriented Adept.

I'd also like to put the Indra on the table. For my money, it's one of the best weapons in the game and it's also incredibly versatile, so it fits the "great all around" requirement. It's also got one of the highest range-independent sustained DPS numbers in the game, so it's not hurting for power.

Modifié par andresft, 18 février 2013 - 06:14 .

[DSxCallOfBooty-]

Talon's definitely an excellent weapon, works on every class.

Piranha and Hurricane ought to be mentioned as well, though. They, similarly, work well in almost all circumstances.

[Ramsutin]

Harrier
Hurricane
Piranha
Wraith

Modifié par Ramsutin, 18 février 2013 - 06:09 .

[CoffeeHolic93]

It's very versatile, I agree but it only really shines on classes with accuracy bonuses, or kits who have some sort of weakness against shields/barriers. As far as ease of use goes, it's probably not the best gun in the game though, that spot is probably reserved for the Harrier.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

I'd have to say either the Harrier or Wraith. The Harrier's only drawback is it's spare ammo, and even that isn't really much of a drawback. Both are guns that can be put on literally any class combo.

I'd say the Hurricane too, but I'm so not a fan of recoil. Controllable? Sure. Just not for me. Haven't been using it enough. Got it at X, though (inb4wagdatepeen).

[Deerber]

ndw542 wrote...

Deerber wrote...

IIFlash wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Hurricane. I dare *you* to come up with a decent argument why the talon is superior XD

Talon is easier to get than Hurricane for most 

Yeah well, I was thinking about comparing them at the same level 

I have a Talon IX and a Hurricane IX, and I would definitely say the Hurricane is superior.   I love them both, but it's not even close, IMO.  

Yeah, that was the point 

PsychoticBiotic wrote...

Before opening this thread, I thought of either the Wraith or Talon. The Hurricane is amazing, but has accuracy and stability issues. And nothing beats a Talon GI.

I've seen a very good played hurricane GI and I can tell you... A hurricane has absolutely nothing to envy a Talon on a GI. Although I prefer the Talon myself, but that's because I suck