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StarcloudSWG wrote...

It did so through observation, and probably capturing a Prothean or two; we know the Thorian was able to access memories through the nervous systems of its absorbed victims. That's destructive analysis over the long term.

The Thorian is also the prime example of what the Reapers do, just in a biological manner. There are elements of indoctrination there too, in a crude way.

Considering the Thorian and what you've said about the cut lines, it seems reasonable to assume that EDI was just simplifying it for Shepard by calling it "the essence of a species".

[jumpingkaede]

Auld Wulf wrote...

But who really stands up in the middle of Serenity, in a cinema, and starts yelling about why their systems for space travel wouldn't work factually? That's where I'm finding all this ridiculous, contrarian, and rank with hipster bull. 

Well, if Malcolm Reynolds had uncovered a device that set off a giant blast that turned everyone into Reavers (or turned Reavers into regular folk) ... then maybe I would've stood up in the middle and started yelling.

[Wayning_Star]

jumpingkaede wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

But who really stands up in the middle of Serenity, in a cinema, and starts yelling about why their systems for space travel wouldn't work factually? That's where I'm finding all this ridiculous, contrarian, and rank with hipster bull. 

Well, if Malcolm Reynolds had uncovered a device that set off a giant blast that turned everyone into Reavers (or turned Reavers into regular folk) ... then maybe I would've stood up in the middle and started yelling.

gotta admit tho, most of the hubbub is only here cause it can be...

[jumpingkaede]

Wayning_Star wrote...

jumpingkaede wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

But who really stands up in the middle of Serenity, in a cinema, and starts yelling about why their systems for space travel wouldn't work factually? That's where I'm finding all this ridiculous, contrarian, and rank with hipster bull. 

Well, if Malcolm Reynolds had uncovered a device that set off a giant blast that turned everyone into Reavers (or turned Reavers into regular folk) ... then maybe I would've stood up in the middle and started yelling.

gotta admit tho, most of the hubbub is only here cause it can be...

Of course!  But that doesn't mean there aren't valid points being made.

The whole "organic energy" thing was a mess IMO.  Are they harvesting and melting down living humans to make Reapers a la ME2?  Are they throwing human corpses aside like refuse a la ME3?  It seems like the Reapers/Collectors can't even agree on what they're doing.

[humes spork]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

What we are objecting to here, is the fact that Mac Walters and most of Bioware's writing team took a solidly science fiction premise in the Mass Effect game, and turned it INTO Space Opera.

Bullcrap.

ME1, as presented in the game proper, is pure space opera: melodramatic scenery-chewing villains, betrayal, sadistic choices, large battles, shadowy manipulators, the evil lurking in the unknown, visions, borderline mystical powers, romance. To get the soft, mind you, "science fiction" one had to resort to the codex and and explanatory dialogue in the rare instance -- beyond that, it was thematically and narratively a space opera. The best you could ever say of the trilogy is that it is a sub-genre blend between space opera and soft sci-fi, with enough "science fiction" elements added to keep the story and universe internally plausible.

To what you refer is hard science fiction. ME never was, or never would have been, hard sci-fi for the very elements of the fantastical you concede. To hold ME up as even approaching "hard" science fiction is to hold it to an arbitrary standard to which it was never intended to be held in the first place.

[Obadiah]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

Shep might have had two helmets?

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Either way, there was no question; Shepard was dead dead. Not just 'brain dead' but DEAD. The Lazarus project wasn't explained in game because the writers had no explanation. They chose not to make one. They chose not to delve into the lore and come up with one.
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How do you know you weren't looking at a leaking oxygen supply, instead of a breach in Shep's armor?

[Linkenski]

Wow... really... wow, imagine if they had nailed the ending, and we wouldn't have been here talking and slamming our heads against a wall every now and then in pure disbelief! I'm so sick of it. Why didn't they friggin just make a good ending!?!? It really pains me that i can't think of Mass Effect like i used to back before ME3 was released