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[andresft]

IIFlash wrote...

Damage: Damage and DPS are not entirely the same thing, having higher DPS thanks to multiple shots doesn't mean it will kill a Phantom as fast a high damage single shot weapon, since it is more dependant on being able to shoot consistently to sustain that DPS on some targets. By the time you shoot your 2nd Crusader headshot (based on what others have said takes to kill a Phantom) that Phantom is already dead from 1 Claymore headshot.

One thing does not negate the other. Just because a weapon has a high DPS doesn't mean it has a low single-shot damage. The Crusader has both. The Crusader doesn't need to "sustain" fire for a long period in order to kill an enemy.

As for Phantoms, particularly, let's just put it this way: if a Crusader could kill a Phantom close-range with a single shot the way the Claymore can, then the Claymore would be rendered utterly useless by the Crusader. There would be no point in using any weapon other than the Crusader. That you have to shoot her twice in order to kill her is the tradeoff for being able to shoot her from any distance without losing damage. Past a certain distance, the Claymore will need more than one shot to kill a Phantom. Go a little further and not even two shots will suffice. The Crusader has the range of a Black Widow. Again, if it had the single-shot power of a Claymore, there would be no point in having a Claymore, a Black Widow, a Paladin, a Carnifex, a Saber, a Wraith, a Widow, and a Raider on top of such an overpowered weapon like the one you seem to be demanding of the Crusader.

Modifié par andresft, 20 février 2013 - 05:23 .

[Jovian09]

I have a friend who likes to use this on his Ghost. Tears the level to pieces.

[Drunkencelt]

andresft wrote...

IIFlash wrote...

Damage: Damage and DPS are not entirely the same thing, having higher DPS thanks to multiple shots doesn't mean it will kill a Phantom as fast a high damage single shot weapon, since it is more dependant on being able to shoot consistently to sustain that DPS on some targets. By the time you shoot your 2nd Crusader headshot (based on what others have said takes to kill a Phantom) that Phantom is already dead from 1 Claymore headshot.

One thing does not negate the other. Just because a weapon has a high DPS doesn't mean it has a low single-shot damage. The Crusader has both. The Crusader doesn't need to "sustain" fire for a long period in order to kill an enemy.

As for Phantoms, particularly, let's just put it this way: if a Crusader could kill a Phantom close-range with a single shot the way the Claymore can, then the Claymore would be rendered utterly useless by the Crusader. There would be no point in using any weapon other than the Crusader. That you have to shoot her twice in order to kill her is the tradeoff for being able to shoot her from any distance without losing damage. Past a certain distance, the Claymore will need more than one shot to kill a Phantom. Go a little further and not even two shots will suffice. The Crusader has the range of a Black Widow. Again, if it had the single-shot power of a Claymore, there would be no point in having a Claymore, a Black Widow, a Paladin, a Carnifex, a Saber, a Wraith, a Widow, and a Raider on top of such an overpowered weapon like the one you seem to be demanding of the Crusader.

I still weights way too much for it's damage. The shot delay, the skill it takes to use the gun, and shield gate should be penalty enough to use the weapon. We should not be penalized by something that weights almost as much as a Javellin.

[llandwynwyn]

Bryan Johnson wrote...
I play with approximately 8 devs on a semi regular basis on PC.
2 of them would list the Crusader as their favorite gun (including NPlewes)

I'm surprised by this and I love the Crusader. Since when it's so well loved? Is that why the store refuses to upgrade mine?

[flibber89-2]

great gun I use it to rape collectors with a destroyer.... I will use OPs research to try on different classes, but that weight will restrict it for me.

[Sylte]

I have it at lvl X and loving it. Right now I`m using it on my Drelldept, and it seems like he loves it too.

[DHKany]

Cyonan wrote...

Aerowind wrote...

He said "and".

That's a whole 1000 damage more per clip.

I freaking love my crusader. I honestly didn't even notice it had a firing delay until I came to BSN. Now that I do have that knowledge, I'm wrecking more than ever.

Unfortunately the argument relies on the Crusader actually doing 1000 damage per shot, but a Crusader X only does 788.4 base damage.

That's not really close to 1000. The Black Widow is close to 1000 at 923.8 per shot.

/thread

[BridgeBurner]

The crusader is really, really terrible. Probably the only gun I would ever say this about.

Can I do perpendicular motion headshots? No, because of a bug that won't get fixed.

Can I headshot phantoms mid air? No, because of a bug that won't get fixed.

Do I need to take 8x as long aiming, to make sure I hit something? Yes, because of a bug.

Can I quickly fire, and twitch to a different target? No, because I'll miss because of a bug that won't be fixed.

I'll take my saber over the crusader anyday. Why? Because my bullet goes where I aimed, not where a bug dictates it should..

Using a stagger power to make a gun able to hit a target =/= good gun. Plus, having to cast a stagger power on every target you ever shoot at that's smaller than an atlas slows the speed at which you can kill considerably.

The crusader has appealing stats, but there are way better choices.

The crusader WOULD be a truly tremendous gun, if the delay was patched out, and its damage nerfed accordingly. Hit scan or bust baby, not hit scan or WHEREVER THE F*CK I AIMED AT A SPLIT SECOND AFTER I PULLED THE TRIGGER.

[Omnifarious Nef]

Annomander wrote...

The crusader is really, really terrible. Probably the only gun I would ever say this about.

Can I do perpendicular motion headshots? No, because of a bug that won't get fixed.

Can I headshot phantoms mid air? No, because of a bug that won't get fixed.

Do I need to take 8x as long aiming, to make sure I hit something? Yes, because of a bug.

Can I quickly fire, and twitch to a different target? No, because I'll miss because of a bug that won't be fixed.

I'll take my saber over the crusader anyday. Why? Because my bullet goes where I aimed, not where a bug dictates it should..

Using a stagger power to make a gun able to hit a target =/= good gun. Plus, having to cast a stagger power on every target you ever shoot at that's smaller than an atlas slows the speed at which you can kill considerably.

The crusader has appealing stats, but there are way better choices.

The crusader WOULD be a truly tremendous gun, if the delay was patched out, and its damage nerfed accordingly. Hit scan or bust baby, not hit scan or WHEREVER THE F*CK I AIMED AT A SPLIT SECOND AFTER I PULLED THE TRIGGER.

This, like I said, I have a level X Crusader, it was, in fact, the very frist N7 weapon I recieved, so I've been using it since nearly the launch of the game. And I STILL cannont compensate for the delay, and I will NEVER use it off host, that would just be a death sentence... I really hope they see light of day, and fix this gun. They said it themeselves, it was NOT intentional for the weapon to have a delay. I should not miss a mook when I aim dead center for the chest while he's running in a straight line directly towards me on flat ground.  Just look at Jay! He's the headshot God, and he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with the Crusader!

[BjornDaDwarf]

Annomander wrote...

The crusader is really, really terrible. Probably the only gun I would ever say this about.

Can I do perpendicular motion headshots? No, because of a bug that won't get fixed.

Can I headshot phantoms mid air? No, because of a bug that won't get fixed.

Do I need to take 8x as long aiming, to make sure I hit something? Yes, because of a bug.

Can I quickly fire, and twitch to a different target? No, because I'll miss because of a bug that won't be fixed.

I'll take my saber over the crusader anyday. Why? Because my bullet goes where I aimed, not where a bug dictates it should..

Using a stagger power to make a gun able to hit a target =/= good gun. Plus, having to cast a stagger power on every target you ever shoot at that's smaller than an atlas slows the speed at which you can kill considerably.

The crusader has appealing stats, but there are way better choices.

The crusader WOULD be a truly tremendous gun, if the delay was patched out, and its damage nerfed accordingly. Hit scan or bust baby, not hit scan or WHEREVER THE F*CK I AIMED AT A SPLIT SECOND AFTER I PULLED THE TRIGGER.

Hyperbole, exaggeration and lies.  It is a hitscan weapon.  You can twitch fire.  It doesn't take 8x as long to aim. True, moving perpindicular headshots are pretty much out.  MOST players can't headshot a flipping Phantom with any weapon, let alone the Crusader, so it's not like that's a real criticism of any gun.  And as was made clear in the OP, and throughout the thread by myself and others, the stagger power is there to let people get used to it, not as a permanent crutch.

It does seem like it's the PC players who think the worst of this gun though, barring BroJo, NPlewes and the other dev on PC that like it.  Maybe this is the case of platform affecting perception?  Console players can't turn as fast as PC players, by and large.  Sticks just aren't as sensitive as a mouse.  Therefore the tiny delay is less noticeable.  Framerate has been found to affect things on the PC side.  Could be exacerbated by that?

Modifié par BjornDaDwarf, 20 février 2013 - 07:53 .

[Original Twigman]

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

Annomander wrote...

The crusader is really, really terrible. Probably the only gun I would ever say this about.

Can I do perpendicular motion headshots? No, because of a bug that won't get fixed.

Can I headshot phantoms mid air? No, because of a bug that won't get fixed.

Do I need to take 8x as long aiming, to make sure I hit something? Yes, because of a bug.

Can I quickly fire, and twitch to a different target? No, because I'll miss because of a bug that won't be fixed.

I'll take my saber over the crusader anyday. Why? Because my bullet goes where I aimed, not where a bug dictates it should..

Using a stagger power to make a gun able to hit a target =/= good gun. Plus, having to cast a stagger power on every target you ever shoot at that's smaller than an atlas slows the speed at which you can kill considerably.

The crusader has appealing stats, but there are way better choices.

The crusader WOULD be a truly tremendous gun, if the delay was patched out, and its damage nerfed accordingly. Hit scan or bust baby, not hit scan or WHEREVER THE F*CK I AIMED AT A SPLIT SECOND AFTER I PULLED THE TRIGGER.

Hyperbole, exaggeration and lies.  

I find that many of his opinions on guns/kits/difficulty are

[TheSilentDeath]

I mean to mess around with the crusader more but I forget about it. Heck I just tried out a Javelin GI and loved it on gold, and since my crusader is higher than my Javelin, VIII compared to a V, I might have to try it out. Must remember to try it out when I play tomorrow.

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

 Console players can't turn as fast as PC players, by and large.  Sticks just aren't as sensitive as a mouse.  Therefore the tiny delay is less noticeable.  

It's probably that. 

[samb]

This gun is absolutely amazing. Anyone who says otherwise is too lazy to put in the practice to find out. I use a ghost and it just tears things apart from distance. Anything in cover is just plain dead since it treats cover as if it wasn't there.
I used to hate getting this weapon, now it's one of the the I look forward to getting. If you don't feel like learning how to harness the crusader's power just say: I'm too lazy to become good. We understand.

[Tallgeese_VII]

PC players are able to make pin point aiming with crusader. Once used to shot delay, Crusader should work better for PC players. Trying to adjust Crusader aiming on console is very tedious job.

[BattleCop88]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

 Console players can't turn as fast as PC players, by and large.  Sticks just aren't as sensitive as a mouse.  Therefore the tiny delay is less noticeable.  

It's probably that. 

Actually it is noticeable. Especially with lag. Then it sticks out like a snaggletooth at a beauty pageant.

Modifié par BattleCop88, 20 février 2013 - 08:28 .

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

samb wrote...

This gun is absolutely amazing. Anyone who says otherwise is too lazy to put in the practice to find out. I use a ghost and it just tears things apart from distance. Anything in cover is just plain dead since it treats cover as if it wasn't there.
I used to hate getting this weapon, now it's one of the the I look forward to getting. If you don't feel like learning how to harness the crusader's power just say: I'm too lazy to become good. We understand.

Haha.

[BattleCop88]

samb wrote...

This gun is absolutely amazing. Anyone who says otherwise is too lazy to put in the practice to find out. I use a ghost and it just tears things apart from distance. Anything in cover is just plain dead since it treats cover as if it wasn't there.
I used to hate getting this weapon, now it's one of the the I look forward to getting. If you don't feel like learning how to harness the crusader's power just say: I'm too lazy to become good. We understand.

True, it's a beast, but that delay makes it a very wounded beast. The shots are literally retarded.

[samb]

BattleCop88 wrote...

samb wrote...

This gun is absolutely amazing. Anyone who says otherwise is too lazy to put in the practice to find out. I use a ghost and it just tears things apart from distance. Anything in cover is just plain dead since it treats cover as if it wasn't there.
I used to hate getting this weapon, now it's one of the the I look forward to getting. If you don't feel like learning how to harness the crusader's power just say: I'm too lazy to become good. We understand.

True, it's a beast, but that delay makes it a very wounded beast. The shots are literally retarded.

So by this logic the javelin is also a bad weapon?  Yeah it has it's quirks but learn to work with it and it handles just fine. 

[Najarati]

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

...It does seem like it's the PC players who think the worst of this gun though, barring BroJo, NPlewes and the other dev on PC that like it.  Maybe this is the case of platform affecting perception?  Console players can't turn as fast as PC players, by and large.  Sticks just aren't as sensitive as a mouse.  Therefore the tiny delay is less noticeable.  Framerate has been found to affect things on the PC side.  Could be exacerbated by that?

Perhaps, although I'm a PC player and I'm rather fond of the Crusader.  There are days, though, where I can't seem to headshot often at all and others where I lance through everything with ease.  I mostly play off-host anymore, so it could just be the luck of the draw with whoever is hosting.

At the end of the day, some people will simply not like the Crusader and that's fine.  I don't like the Acolyte, not with the charge, and so I don't use it while others think it's the next best thing since the pyjak minigame on Tuchanka.

[pistolols]

Alright i think this might be my favorite gun if played on host. Been using it a lot since seeing this thread and it has really grown on me. The tip about using stabilization consumable is the kicker... really working out well with that. Had a match where i posted up next to an infiltrator with a black widow and sat there out-sniping him. Extremely fun and powerful gun... and tbh i definitely prefer using weapons that don't depend on reload cancel in order to be good.

[MIA115]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

Have to say personally it is just about my fav gun in the game. I typically run it with a MQI since the arc can remove shields and then the cloak damage bonus.

I prefer it on the Demolisher for single target damage.

[Cohen le Barbare]

Crusader is fine, On gold, I outscored a drell adept with a hurricane X with my salarian infiltrator and a crusader VII. I scored 185k when he did less than half of that. I was off host as well. /epeen

[frankles]

I get on really well with it, it's a tremendous weapon for me as it allows me to snipe without a scope which suits my play style on the batarian and vorcha. It's definitely a personal thing, and tbh I don't play gold that often so I have yet to test it thoroughly in that difficulty, but it's fine off-host on bronze and silver. Overall though, I love it and it's one of my favourite weapons, along with the valiant and the paladin. I am developing a real liking for the Graal as well, but I hit things less reliably with that as my fingers struggle with charge weapons. And the contacts in my mouse are rather worn with all the clicking...

[GroverA125]

If it were more reliable, I'd go for it. For now, it's not consistent or versatile enough to be overly useful.