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[Parallax Demon]

Love this gun.

Only go for headshots on stationary enemies and go for bodyshots on moving enemies. Too bad it's so heavy, so equipping it on my most favourite builds (AV, AH and AA) isn't an option.

[The Sir Tendeth]

Cyonan wrote...
But at least then they have nobody to blame but themselves.

It just bugs that me that, being that I love sniper rifles and accurate/powerful weapons, I should love the Crusader and I want to love the Crusader, but she keeps pushing me away =P

I doubt if it ever will get fixed though. I still like the gun and use it fairly often on my Krogan Soldier/Sentinel, but ultimately if we're talking really accurate powerful weapons the Black Widow is still my baby.

I love sniper rifles and accurate/powerful weapons too. And I love the Black Widow, its my baby ...we will have to take care of the Black Widow Solomon style.

And have only heard (well read) good things about you...

We should play together sometime. Add me to you friends list! 

SOB forgot your a PC Master, & I'm a console peasant, are friendship is doomed to never be.

 Stikman/MegaBeast imitation fail 

On topic. Would there be another way, besides stagger training, the OP mentions. That could be devined through looking at the mechanics of how the crusader works. Being Hit-Scan and having a post applied delay.

Such as leading a target, and hoping they go were you thought they were going, etc. 

I am going to try quick scoping to see what that does with it, and will report back. Though Cyonan, could probably tell me what will happen already.

Modifié par The Sir Tendeth, 18 février 2013 - 09:50 .

[SectiplaveB4]

Shot delay, dear lord playing off host from NZ (approx 200-300ms latency) the gun is absolutely not possible to use on a target moving sideways, the delay is consistently shifting as is the nature of the internet. I would sometimes miss the broad side of a brute with this damn thing when they were walking!!!

I enjoyed using it on host as a no hip fire penatly sniper rifle. But I'd happily run the Salarian Infiltrator with Black Widow if I wanted a heavy, high damage per shot, accurate weapon with multiple shots.

The shot delay on this gun baffles me to this day, does anyone know simply WHY this mechanic was implemented?

Modifié par SectiplaveB4, 18 février 2013 - 10:01 .

[Frozen Mind]

How to Crusade X: Guide from Frozen Mind:
1. Accidentally equip Claymore X on Valkyrie and start Gold PUG match.
2. Notice you have Claymore instead of Crusader.
3. Notice the great cooldown for powers, so you focus on FIRING and RELOAD CANCELING instead of doing some biotic explosions.
4. After match try to change Claymore into Crusader and see it has same value of weight (at least that's what bar said).
5. Change character into Geth Engineer with Crusader X and Hurricane VI with ULM.
6. Notice you can't crowd control with paralyzing multiple overload and you have to do serious decisions "regenerating Geth Turret vs crowd-controlling Overload".
7. Notice your aim is still crap from long distance with lagging host, when targets are on the move. At least other shotguns have spread and you can do some damage, or even get headshot from a distance through shieldgate.
8. OK, my patience is over. Time to roll with Wraith on Valkyrie and then Huntress.

[Eckswhyzed]

Clearly you are all elitist noob scrubs that must l2p!!!

/sarcasm

More seriously, I don't get the hype over the delay. In fact I kind of like the extra challenge the delay provides.

Clearly the answer is a 50% damage buff

[Original Twigman]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Good post OP.

Also.. the aim delay is so overblown. I don't even notice it anymore... just like I don't notice the Javelin's fire delay. It's called a learning curve... learn2deal with it...

Also.. to all the people complaining about latency issues... get better internet.

we agree on biotic charge evolution A being awesome when no one else did.

we agree the crusader is awesome.

we must play a game

I've heard nothing but great things about you... send the Friend request bro!! Gamertag is the same as my BSN handle... we also have a bunch of mutual friends, you can find me on their friends list.

ill do that. Last time i tried to send a FR it was through the leaderboads and my console froze... twice. lol ill try it that way instead.

[SectiplaveB4]

Eckswhyzed wrote...
More seriously, I don't get the hype over the delay. In fact I kind of like the extra challenge the delay provides.

Uhhhh not all internets are created equal. It's not a challenge as the delay is not fixed, this makes it a luck mechanic if you can work it off host, as opposed to skill based like Javelin as the delay is fixed.

[Original Twigman]

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

I totally agree with the first part. Its a good way to get a feel for the gun. I use it on my Drell adept as reave staggers so nicely. Once you get the stagger + shooting down, you can use it on moving targets as well.

Also agree with the SRs. personally i hate sniping on xbox. the aim assist issues is so much more apparent with a sniper as it will take you much longer to scope-in scope out due to targeting the wrong enemy than with any other gun.

We've been on eachother's friends lists for awhile, we should actually play a game at some point.  I just ended up having to bail on the tournment, but I've been playing a lot again lately.

will do! You haven't been on me3 for a bit, from what i remember, but ill keep my eye out. Still gotta show you my batarian brawler build/playstyle

[Original Twigman]

Mandalore313 wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Mandalore313 wrote...

The gun sucks, compared to other guns.
Claymore for instance.

claymore is totally overhyped. Even with reload cancel, i can burn through mooks much faster with the crusader. bosses probably take a little longer, but not enough to justify it, in my opinion.

If you actually are faster with the crusader then you're not using the claymore in the best possible manner.

lol, pure silliness.  A gun that doesn't require a reload cancel, meaning i can shoot once, aim again and shoot again (killing two mooks) will always be faster than a gun that needs to shoot, reload cancel/aim again, shoot.

Mastering the claymore is not the most challenging thing....

[J4mes]

Crusader is bad because of the shot delay and the way the mechanics work on it.

If that were fixed, then it could be decent. A Widow Salarian Infiltrator will out DPS a Crusader user. Assuming you spec correctly.

I am taking into account that you will likely miss at least 1 shot out of your clip with the Crusader.

Modifié par J4mes, 18 février 2013 - 10:06 .

[mybudgee]

...Thank you. No

[Cohen le Barbare]

Hitscan weapon = red reticle, fire! not red, don't fire.

[Omnifarious Nef]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Pyth the Bull wrote...

It's a theoretically great weapon, but falls short in practical application. Especially when latency is applied.

/thread.

Yup, looks great on paper, but in practice? It's very... Lackluster. I have it at level X, and have used it on many an occasion. The firing delay is just simply too much to comensate for, attempting to predict an unpredictable delay with a varying time frame. It is only slightly more usable on host, and off host, it's a nightmare gun. I can literally miss a target, that is running straight at me, when I aim and fire for directly between the eyes of the target. 

Modifié par NeferiusXji, 18 février 2013 - 11:53 .

[Eckswhyzed]

SectiplaveB4 wrote...

Shot delay, dear lord playing off host from NZ (approx 200-300ms latency) the gun is absolutely not possible to use on a target moving sideways, the delay is consistently shifting as is the nature of the internet. I would sometimes miss the broad side of a brute with this damn thing when they were walking!!!

I enjoyed using it on host as a no hip fire penatly sniper rifle. But I'd happily run the Salarian Infiltrator with Black Widow if I wanted a heavy, high damage per shot, accurate weapon with multiple shots.

The shot delay on this gun baffles me to this day, does anyone know simply WHY this mechanic was implemented?

1. I've joined a host in Washington DC from where I live in NZ and done pretty well (20 headshot medal) with the Crusader on about 280ms lag. It's not impossible, but any rubber-banding will make things very difficult.

2. Can't find the post, but Chris Schanche seemed to imply it wasn't intended behaviour.

SectiplaveB4 wrote...

Eckswhyzed wrote...
More seriously, I don't get the hype over the delay. In fact I kind of like the extra challenge the delay provides.

Uhhhh
not all internets are created equal. It's not a challenge as the delay
is not fixed, this makes it a luck mechanic if you can work it off host,
as opposed to skill based like Javelin as the delay is fixed.

The delay is always 0.2 seconds isn't it? Can someone confirm the delay is constant?

[hostaman]

I've been banging on about this great weapon for an age, and I only have it at level III.

I've used it on many builds, but I do like it on an Asari Vanguard.  The only problem is the weight, which means you need power recharge gear to make it Gold viable on this character. IMHO  It's on par with the Pirhana for my favourite SG.

I just wish I got it more often in com packs rather than the blasted Valkyrie (which really does suck).

[solidprice]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Pyth the Bull wrote...

It's a theoretically great weapon, but falls short in practical application. Especially when latency is applied.

/thread.

[Tallgeese_VII]

Headshot too hard, gun too heavy, not enough shotgun amps..

[stinekandts]

The Quarian Soldier absolutely punches ALL the buns with the Crusader. ROF is through the roof w/ added accuracy and stability.

[andresft]

Wonderful post. I would add that the Crusader excels on a Human Soldier. Being that it's not a sniper rifle, the damage bonus it gains from AR is almost as big as the one it gets from TC. It isn't as time-limited, however, and it allows the Crusader to fire eight straight shots without reloading. Like TC, it also makes reload canceling very easy on consoles.

I'd definitely slap my Crusader on a HSo (or BFSo) before even considering using it on an infiltrator.

BTW, as it's been already said, any accuracy bonuses help the Crusader greatly and make it one of the most efficient DPS machines in the land.

Modifié par andresft, 18 février 2013 - 10:55 .

[BjornDaDwarf]

Eckswhyzed wrote...

The delay is always 0.2 seconds isn't it? Can someone confirm the delay is constant?

As far as I know, the firing mechanic is always the same, or so close that it's imperceptible.  

[GreatBlueHeron]

I want to like it...I have it at X and it's collecting dust. I lag bad much of the time (can't host with other people because slow internet)...maybe I could solo with it sometime? Maybe if I get bored I'll try it in a PUG with a good backup weapon? Someone mentioned upthread possible hit detection problem with close range enemies. Don't know if it was lag, but I had that problem the last time I used it....which was awhile ago.

[FlowCytometry]

Crusader's alright, but since I rarely host and due to the weight I dun use the gun often.

I'd rather take the BW if I wanna snipe stuff- and reliably; it'll still make use of the stability equips that we all have piled up anyways. Plus, its full auto

Modifié par FlowCytometry, 18 février 2013 - 11:40 .

[Dunvi]

1st of all, it's not an firing delay, it's an aim delay. It fires when you pull the trigger, and lands exactly where it was aiming... .2 seconds in the past.

That's a big problem for such an accurate shotgun when you are trying to go KATHUNK KATHUNK KATHUNK on 3 marauder heads in a row.

I want to love the thing. I used to like it, when I was a slow, mostly power spamming silver player, before I got my rare and UR guns. And then I got Carnifex and Claymore and Widow and I didn't need the thing anymore. (And then I learned to reload cancel and fire accurately and quickly and it actually stopped working entirely.)

People saying that a .2 second aim delay is imperceptible either (a) don't headshot, or ( take ages lining up that headshot.

Modifié par Dunvi, 18 février 2013 - 11:54 .

[gynoid]

I've been using the Claymoar on everything lately, but just tried the Crusader (at V) on my Salarian Infiltrator. The aim delay was noticeably bad in one match, but ED and PM will keep enemies still for long enough that it wasn't a huge issue. I had a lot of fun with it, but I'll probably only use it on kits with a staggering power or on-host.