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[Steelcan]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

This is actually one of things Cerberus really did right. They know that the **** is going to hit the fan, so TIM upgrades his troops and starts arming Cerberus for galactic war. Sadly they directed that against the Alliance, not the Reapers.

I liked Dean's idea of a balance between Cerberus and Alliance legitimacy... replaying the Benning mission is so much more disappointing now that I've read his version.

. Given Cerberus' treatment in ME3 I've just resorted to a head canon.  The Reaper are gradually co-opting the signal Cerberus is using to control its soldiers.  On Benning they have successfully turned a large number and so they carry out the Reaper's goals.  Fits evidence

That's what I tell myself too, but "lolindoctrination" gets tiresome however it manifests itself.

. Saren, Rana Thanoptis, Shiala, TIM, Udina..... I see your point

[Steelcan]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Running ops against the Reapers? When did she do that?

She was a subordinate in someone else's op against... well, a Geth army, mercs, and some fancy husks. But she wasn't even a viable squad leader during those periods, and how they relate to the Reaper War is unclear.

Would you prefer participating in ops? She has experiance fighting their ground forces, they still use fancy husks in ME3 which is basically what the Collector are in ME2 so she at least has some idea of what she's up against, as much as anyone including Shep does at least.

. She's also an Admiral.  They should not be on the front lines.  The closest she should be to fighting is passing down orders from Rannoch.  Admirals don't hold the line.  Anderson is different before you mention him.  He has nowhere to be but the front line

[Whybother]

You don't get Tali until act two, and the VS is gone for nearly all of act one. I have Javik which helps things out. Otherwise it's a bit slim.

Two for Mars. Two for Palaven. Four for the rest of act one, which is the smallest squad in ME for any length of time, much less for one of the more significant acts in ME, Tuchanka.

[chemiclord]

nickkcin11 wrote...

I think Mass Effect 1 did the squad mechanic best. Despite the claims that ME1 had the smallest amount of dialogue, it sure doesn't feel that way. Characters interject more frequently during story missions and they actually speak during side quests (something that almost never happened in ME2). Also, when just walking around, you can always talk to them. I loved this feature (especially since some places they actually say something really interesting), and I have no idea why they removed it. And the elevators, however infamous, provided another opportunity to hear the characters talk to each other and feel more lively. I was always confused as to why they got rid of this feature, I'd much rather sit through a slow ass elevator than watch a slow ass loading screen showing my progress up a slow ass elevator. And I feel that every time I replay ME1 (so many times now I can't remember) I get new dialogue. For instance, I always have talked to Kaiden about his BaAt training or however you spell it. But just this last playthrough did I finally hear that he knew this girl, Rahna, that he fancied. And it was her arm that got broken by the Turian, not just some random girl's. So that's why he stood up and confronted the guy. And it made me care about Kaiden more, I'll actually feel bad when I have to make the Virmire decision and leave him behind. In the other Mass Effects, I never really get a lot of dialogue I missed.

Part of the reason it doesn't feel like less is because at that point, every player pretty much had the same content experience.  By that, I mean, the same things largely happen at the same times, everyone experiences more of the total dialogue in a single playthrough in ME1.

However, in ME2, you start getting branches in the story, and as a result, huge swaths of dialogue that you will never see in any given playthrough.

Where ME1 would have A-B-C-D-E-F...

ME2 would more have something like a  Path 1 with A-D-F-H... and a Path 2 with B-C-E-G, depending on what major decision from ME1 carried over (like the Virmire Survivor, for example).  Even though there is more total dialogue in ME2, it doesn't FEEL like more because you experience less of it in a single playthrough.

ME3, as a result, is even WORSE off, because there are MORE branches to deal with.  So while it would no doubt have the most TOTAL dialogue of either of the first two games, it would feel like a lot less in any given playthrough... and a major part of the reason they went with autodialogue to streamline and pare down the amount of dialogue they had to record.

Basically, they hit a wall with all the permutations and had to cut corners just to make it work.

Modifié par chemiclord, 19 février 2013 - 02:55 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Steelcan wrote...
She's also an Admiral.  They should not be on the front lines.  The closest she should be to fighting is passing down orders from Rannoch.  Admirals don't hold the line.  Anderson is different before you mention him.  He has nowhere to be but the front line

As I said earlier neither does Tali, she has no fleet directly under her charge.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 19 février 2013 - 02:57 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
She's also an Admiral.  They should not be on the front lines.  The closest she should be to fighting is passing down orders from Rannoch.  Admirals don't hold the line.  Anderson is different before you mention him.  He has nowhere to be but the front line

As I said earlier neither does Tali, she has no fleet under her charge.

She's an expert on the Geth, and one way or another, the Geth are no longer an issue.

[GreyLycanTrope]

DeinonSlayer wrote...
She's an expert on the Geth, and one way or another, the Geth are no longer an issue.

Yes and?

[Steelcan]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
She's also an Admiral.  They should not be on the front lines.  The closest she should be to fighting is passing down orders from Rannoch.  Admirals don't hold the line.  Anderson is different before you mention him.  He has nowhere to be but the front line

As I said earlier neither does Tali, she has no fleet directly under her charge.

. So put her on Rannoch, or on the Citadel, anywhere but the ship most likely to be blown up by Reapers.

[CynicalShep]

So what was Tali's father in charge of?

[Whybother]

CynicalShep wrote...

So what was Tali's father in charge of?

Judging from ME2, he was experimenting on Geth parts to find vulnerabilities. 

[DeinonSlayer]

Greylycantrope wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...
She's an expert on the Geth, and one way or another, the Geth are no longer an issue.

Yes and?

And that's it. I was agreeing with you. Tacitly.

Really, if we consider everyone on the ship who has (or would have) other jobs, Shepard's squad is limited to James and...

...I'm thinking...

The VS is a Spectre. A viable squadmate, but they'd have their own jobs to do. Javik could help with Prothean stuff on the Crucible instead of making us hunt down vases with Prothean writing on them for a translation guide. Liara is the freaking Shadow Broker. EDI is supposed to be a blue holographic pawn, and Garrus is apparently in close coordination with his own government - advising on fleet movement, which Tali isn't doing. Everyone has jobs.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 19 février 2013 - 03:04 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Steelcan wrote...
 So put her on Rannoch, or on the Citadel, anywhere but the ship most likely to be blown up by Reapers.

Quarian tactics during the invasion of Rannoch say otherwise, being on the safest ship isn't always the strategy, Admiral Koris can attest to that.

Besides the Normandy's the one ship likely not to get blown up, it's constantly moving and doesn't actively engage Reaper ships. It's also not a giant sitting target like the Citadel.

[Steelcan]

DeinonSlayer wrote...
Really, if we consider everyone on the ship who has (or would have) other jobs, Shepard's squad is limited to James and...

...I'm thinking...

The VS is a Spectre. A viable squadmate, but they'd have their own jobs to do. Javik could help with Prothean stuff on the Crucible instead of making us hunt down vases with Prothean writing on them for a translation guide. Liara is the freaking Shadow Broker. EDI is supposed to be a blue holographic pawn, and Garrus is apparently in close coordination with his own government - advising on fleet movement, which Tali isn't doing. Everyone has jobs.

. Miranda:whistle:

[CynicalShep]

Whybother wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

So what was Tali's father in charge of?

Judging from ME2, he was experimenting on Geth parts to find vulnerabilities. 

Based on the game he is also the most experienced military leader. Apparently, he was also the only one without a fleet. An odd choice, IMO.

[Vubica]

TBH this is a tough question. I loved the ME1 squad, ash and wrex were my favs(ofc with garus) i felt a bit of a absence when they didnt play that big of a role in 2.

Tho 2 introduced some cool characters, Mordin and Thane are prolly on my top 10 fictional characters list, and while mordin's finalle(live or die regardless) was truly breath taking inspiring and with a weight i felt like Thane was killed off to make us not like Kai-Leng(tho tbh i dont need much motivation to hate a anime like space ninja jedi character).

What bugs me is the role Liara played in the finale. I understand a lot of people liked her( i personally didnt find any of her 3 personalities appealing, fangirl to ruthless killer to whatever abomination she had become in ME3), but you cant deny her romance story was handled with more care than any other characters in the series, and a lot of the people were left out hanging(thane/jacob...)

Ash is prolly one of my fav characters in the series, shes a strong woman and has a "organic feel to her dialogue" one of the few to stand up to and call shep out, yet i found her story to be quite lacking in ME3, not to mention Garus's story(a 100% fan fav character).

So in truth? No I dont mind the cast of ME3, i just wish they were payed more attention tho.
Oh and bioware still owes us a Shiala romance

[Steelcan]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
 So put her on Rannoch, or on the Citadel, anywhere but the ship most likely to be blown up by Reapers.

Quarian tactics during the invasion of Rannoch say otherwise, being on the safest ship isn't always the strategy, Admiral Koris can attest to that.

Besides the Normandy's the one ship likely not to get blown up, it's constantly moving and doesn't actively engage Reaper ships. It's also not a giant sitting target like the Citadel.

. The Normandy is in and out of hot zones.  They land on planets the Reapers control.  And you think it's avoid idea to put an admiral on it?  Don't join the military

[DeinonSlayer]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Tali being an admiral is pure nonsense in the first place, so one shouldn't really use that as a basis for anything.

I know if I ever play ME2 again, I'm getting her purposefully exiled to avoid that whole thing.

I'm guessing you'll have to destroy the Geth then. Think they'd let her come back to Rannoch after the war? Being as she's an exile, and all...

[DeinonSlayer]

Steelcan wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...
Really, if we consider everyone on the ship who has (or would have) other jobs, Shepard's squad is limited to James and...

...I'm thinking...

The VS is a Spectre. A viable squadmate, but they'd have their own jobs to do. Javik could help with Prothean stuff on the Crucible instead of making us hunt down vases with Prothean writing on them for a translation guide. Liara is the freaking Shadow Broker. EDI is supposed to be a blue holographic pawn, and Garrus is apparently in close coordination with his own government - advising on fleet movement, which Tali isn't doing. Everyone has jobs.

. Miranda:whistle:

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[Steelcan]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Tali being an admiral is pure nonsense in the first place, so one shouldn't really use that as a basis for anything.

I know if I ever play ME2 again, I'm getting her purposefully exiled to avoid that whole thing.

I'm guessing you'll have to destroy the Geth then. Think they'd let her come back to Rannoch after the war? Being as she's an exile, and all...

. I think Cthulhu would see that as an added bonus

Modifié par Steelcan, 19 février 2013 - 03:08 .

[Steelcan]

@Deinon, an inexcusable failure on the part of the writers. Rehashing a resolved plot line, when she should be fighting Cerberus...... Disgusting

[DeinonSlayer]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Tali being an admiral is pure nonsense in the first place, so one shouldn't really use that as a basis for anything.

I know if I ever play ME2 again, I'm getting her purposefully exiled to avoid that whole thing.

I'm guessing you'll have to destroy the Geth then. Think they'd let her come back to Rannoch after the war? Being as she's an exile, and all...

Oh, of course. Legion'll be getting sold to Cerberus anyway.

Well, there's that - the second part was the bigger question.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 19 février 2013 - 03:11 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Steelcan wrote...
The Normandy is in and out of hot zones.  They land on planets the Reapers control.  And you think it's avoid idea to put an admiral on it?  Don't join the military

The Normandy stays in space, the shuttles land on planets, under Reaper attack, not their control. She was deployed quickly enough to fight the Geth on Rannoch but her rank makes her too important now? Context yo.

[Steelcan]

I'm thinking about starting a ME2 game, no import so I can do all the stuff I've wanted to do but just can't.