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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

HERE HERE!!!!

[MegaSovereign]

I love the Reapers.

[Wayning_Star]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

you should probably use the word "destroy" as 'kill' isn't really accurate, unless it's those harvested races serving under the reaperships dying, that would be more accurate. Reaperships aren't actually 'alive' their cargo is, it's what they use to think with, as they're just machines.

Hooray for all of that being wrong!

A hollow victory is better than no victory, or no point, but who's addressing your expertise? lol

[Wayning_Star]

The-Biotic-God wrote...

I love the Reapers.

about time..

[ElSuperGecko]

Dabrikishaw wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

DESTROY DOESN'T NEED SUPPORT THREADS.

What's your deal? I always see you you say this, but you never explain why.

Destroy doesn't need support threads because it's already CLEARLY the right choice!

[Enhanced]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

I don't think Shepard likes Destroy...

Catalyst: "Soon, your children will create synthetics, and then the chaos will come back"
Shepard: "There has to be another way"

Likes? Probably not, but it turns out there's no other way to kill the Reapers.

Yea. Just saying,  Shepard is not really excited about Destroy after realizing that the galaxy won't be at peace after the reapers are gone.

[BleedingUranium]

Enhanced wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

I don't think Shepard likes Destroy...

Catalyst: "Soon, your children will create synthetics, and then the chaos will come back"
Shepard: "There has to be another way"

Likes? Probably not, but it turns out there's no other way to kill the Reapers.

Yea. Just saying,  Shepard is not really excited about Destroy after realizing that the galaxy won't be at peace after the reapers are gone.

Only if you believe the kid. I was referring to the deaths of the Geth and EDI.

[o Ventus]

Enhanced wrote...

Yea. Just saying,  Shepard is not really excited about Destroy after realizing that the galaxy won't be at peace after the reapers are gone.

Peace enough to rebuild the relays and Citadel.

[GreyLycanTrope]

The-Biotic-God wrote...

I love the Reapers.

Sofren pls

[masster blaster]

Let's see. The people of the galaxy wanted to Destroy the Reapers. This includes Anderson, Hackett, Wrex and all of our squadmates. Plus everyone else fighting in this war, or trying to run for their lives.

People who wanted to control the Reaper were Indoctrinated. Cerberus, and TIM work for the Reapers.

The people who wanted synthesis the catalyst, and Archer, except Archer realized synthesisng his brother was wrong if you played overlord. Saren only wanted synthesis because he had no choice because Nazara had control over Saren.

And for Shepard......It's up to the player really.

Yet however Destroy for the win because killing EDI, and the Geth is not genocide unless you wanted to kill them on purpose. I picked Destroy to stop the Reapers for the crimes against the galaxy, and the past cycles, and not to kill EDI, and the Geth.

I picked Destroy because it's a chance to start over. The galaxy now has the power to redo the cycle, or not. This is a future we all fought for, and a future were everyone is in charge. Freedom, order, unity, peace. Will it last, no, but this current generation will make the best out of it.

Moreover I picked Destroy because we should Shepard become the new catalyst, or synthesis everyone if the galaxy did not want this at all. I see no point at all. Synthesis you give the catalyst what it always wanted. Control you replaced the dictator with a new one. Overall Destroy is the way to go whether it comes down to moral choice, the right thing to do, or the most logical choice.

Modifié par masster blaster, 18 février 2013 - 11:53 .

[Col.Aurion]

Better Red than Dead!

[Tron Mega]

OR.....

refuse and headcanon.

[Meltemph]

Well, if you like explanations that make sense, you pick destroy... Which honestly was the sole motivating factor for me choosing it. The other choices, it didn't even sound like the kid knew WTF happens.

[Cainhurst Crow]

dorktainian wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Total eradication seems a fools choice when an option to reform them is present.

Though I can see why you would think otherwise, better safe than sorry I suppose.

    


And how would you have them pay for their crimes?  All that death and slaughter.  They have no place in our universe and must be obliterated.

Sounds like hitlers critique of france to me.

Heeyo! Godwin's law all up in here.

I would say that perhaps it would be better to let go, than cling to the hatred when the war is over. That way you don't create an endless cycle of provocated bloodshed with the only justification being that both sides did harm to the other in some way and so must all be eradicated.

I also do not see how they have no place in the universe, they can serve a purpose or find a new one, that doesn't involve killing everyone and converting them into more reapers.

[Volc19]

I hate the Reapers, and I hate the Catalyst.

That is why I deleted the Catalyst, stole all of his toys, and reprogrammed them to help people in spite of his warnings of some singularity nonsense. Take that, glowboy.

[Meltemph]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Total eradication seems a fools choice when an option to reform them is present.

Though I can see why you would think otherwise, better safe than sorry I suppose.

    


And how would you have them pay for their crimes?  All that death and slaughter.  They have no place in our universe and must be obliterated.

Sounds like hitlers critique of france to me.

Heeyo! Godwin's law all up in here.

I would say that perhaps it would be better to let go, than cling to the hatred when the war is over. That way you don't create an endless cycle of provocated bloodshed with the only justification being that both sides did harm to the other in some way and so must all be eradicated.

I also do not see how they have no place in the universe, they can serve a purpose or find a new one, that doesn't involve killing everyone and converting them into more reapers.

You are assuming a lot, by saying the catalyst created the reapers, with the ability to change purpose.  We dont know enough about the reapers to even know if they are even representative of the race that was used to create them.  I'm not really seeing any convincing arguemnt as to how anything is a known variable regarding the reapers, otuside of an appear to some emotional stance that is somehow viewed as a moral one.

[Auld Wulf]

No, sorry. I don't think genocidal ludditism is for me.

Whatever floats your boat, OP.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Meltemph wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Total eradication seems a fools choice when an option to reform them is present.

Though I can see why you would think otherwise, better safe than sorry I suppose.

    


And how would you have them pay for their crimes?  All that death and slaughter.  They have no place in our universe and must be obliterated.

Sounds like hitlers critique of france to me.

Heeyo! Godwin's law all up in here.

I would say that perhaps it would be better to let go, than cling to the hatred when the war is over. That way you don't create an endless cycle of provocated bloodshed with the only justification being that both sides did harm to the other in some way and so must all be eradicated.

I also do not see how they have no place in the universe, they can serve a purpose or find a new one, that doesn't involve killing everyone and converting them into more reapers.

You are assuming a lot, by saying the catalyst created the reapers, with the ability to change purpose.  We dont know enough about the reapers to even know if they are even representative of the race that was used to create them.  I'm not really seeing any convincing arguemnt as to how anything is a known variable regarding the reapers, otuside of an appear to some emotional stance that is somehow viewed as a moral one.

But are you not assuming also that it isn;t possible? Or that we can't learn more about them by studying them? Or that they are indeed too dangerous and that changing their leadership won;t stop them?

All it seems is like trying to rationalized petty revenge to me.

[ruggly]

Auld Wulf wrote...
usual diatribe.

And there it is

[Meltemph]

But are you not assuming also that it isn;t possible? Or that we can't learn more about them by studying them? Or that they are indeed too dangerous and that changing their leadership won;t stop them?

I'm not assuming anything. Based on what we know, I have no reason to believe they are actually creations from the catalyst that have the ability to not have a dominate will. I'm not saying what you are saying is impossible, but I'm not going to risk the galaxy based on my personal desire to feel good about my decision.

All it seems is like trying to rationalized petty revenge to me.

I don't see that at all... Sure you can use destroy as a rationalization for revenge, but what I see from those claiming the Reapers "could be turned for a force for good" is a rationalization to put their conscious at ease, essentially putting their own personal "feelings" over the safety and survival of those currently fighting. The goal isn't to feel good about myself because I made a choice I can live with, the goal is to not be reaped, and by extension not being dominated by the will of the reapers and their master.

Choosing something other then destroy, is being perfectly willing to risk the galaxy for ones own desires, due to the lack of a coherent explanation for the others.

Modifié par Meltemph, 19 février 2013 - 01:33 .

[LandoN7]

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Me. I'm with you. Five Shepards. Five red explosions. The reapers and their space brat are failed logic and evil and must be destroyed, I'm with you. Plus, f em' if they can't take a joke.

I'll try to quote a piece of dialogue the best I can from ME3 that really stands out in my mind.
Shepard: "Illusive Man says he can control them, he seems to think that's the way we end this."
Hackett: "He's wrong, dead reapers are how we end this."

Modifié par LandoN7, 19 février 2013 - 01:43 .

[AlanC9]

And Hackett's right, because you like Hackett better than TIM?

Modifié par AlanC9, 19 février 2013 - 01:42 .

[MrFob]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

nrobbiec wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Make them pay for what they have done.

 

The line must be drawn here. This far, no further.

The Borg are the Reapers

Damn right they are!
(this was back in ME2 times obviously )

[LandoN7]

AlanC9 wrote...


And Hackett's right, because you like Hackett better than TIM?

No, actually I like TIM much more than Hackett. Much, much more. But I think he has a lot of wasted potential.
And I think it's pretty obvious that TIM is indoctrinated, and Hackett is not. As a result, I don't trust TIM and I don't trust control.

[AlanC9]

Meltemph wrote...

Choosing something other then destroy, is being perfectly willing to risk the galaxy for ones own desires, due to the lack of a coherent explanation for the others.

Note that this has nothng much to do with dorktanian's "argument;" you're getting to the same place he is for if fervent reasons.

I'm not quite clear how one can have confidence that Destroy will actually destroy but still worry that Control won't actually control.