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[GallowsPole]

Blind2Society wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

Lets buff the Claymore 200% too while we're at it.

Yeah, that comment makes any sense at all. NOT

A claymore can one-shot pretty much all mooks in the game. The valiant on the other hand struggles against mooks if you're not an infiltrator.

I tried to mimic the OP's sarcasm about buffing the Valiant.

[codsquallic]

I'd have no problem with this buff. Head shots aren't easy, at least on consoles.

[capn233]

Air Quotes wrote...

It's still top tier, but I think it should be distinguished more. 

I don't really know how top tier it is.

Some people made claims about how it is so great you can one-shot three targets rapidly, but ignore the fact you don't need both hands to count what a max weapon damage GI w/ Cloak can one-shot with the Valiant X and Phasic III + max amps / gear.  Namely on Gold: Cerburus Assault Trooper, Guardian, Cannibal, Husk, Geth Trooper, Collector Trooper and both Abominations.  Add in Dragoon if you use Targetting VI III instead of Rail Amp.  On Platinum you can forget the Dragoon.  Compare to Black Widow which with the same setup will actually one-shot every single Cerberus unit on Gold save the Turret and Atlas.

The sustained DPS argument is usually thrown about, but the problem is that the Valiant isn't terribly ammo efficient and after you kill a boss or two have fun getting more ammo.  Admittedly this issue is really only present on Platinum.

Also related to the above is that the sustained DPS of the Val requires near constant LOS to the enemy which is a nice recipe for absorbing some return fire.  It also means that on an infiltrator you are wasting shots out of cloak bonus and practically speaking your DPS advantage over something like a Black Widow isn't as large as it appears on paper.

It is definitely better than most of the sniper rifles outside Black Widow, Javelin and maybe Widow though.  I don't think this is particularly high praise.

[Cyrax86]

Air Quotes wrote...

Cyrax86 wrote...

it needs a slight damage buff, or a small buff to the headshot multiplier, either one would help, but not both as it would make it OP.

 

And I'm not asking for both now. Just the headshots. 

never said you did, but the buff you asked for is way to high. 

The valiant is just shy of being on par with BW and Javelin, too much of a buff and no would use the other SRs. 
Compared to the BW/Javelin, the valiant has fire rate, reload speed, weight, accuracy(BW) and ammo capacity over both of them, the only thing that BW/Javelin have over the valiant is Damage and AP  

[Blind2Society]

I wouldn't consider the valiant top tier at all. It's mediocre at best. It fits along the line of the viper and raptor.

[megabeast37215]

Bessy067 wrote...

Valiant already has the highest multi clip DPS among snipers.

This argument is bad and you should feel bad.

Yes... when standing out in the open and constantly firing... it's supposed to be great. Unfortnately the game doesn't work that way since enemies shoot back.

The Valiant is subpar vs the big boy sniper rifles.

Black Widow got two buff equalling 40+%... why can't the Valiant be that awesome?

[megabeast37215]

Also... AQ... your new avatar is hawt....

[Rucent]

I like the Valiant as is, but I won't say no to buffing it anyway. Also, it needs 100% head popping, why doesn't it?

[Zjarcal]

Valiant is the very definition of mediocre, period.

[Grammaton Dryad]

Air Quotes wrote...

Making a Valiant buff thread again and I'll keep bumping this for a whole week. 

Valiant needs a similar niche as the Valkyrie. Designated headshot sniper. 

Except that the Valiant has zero recoil, unlike the Valkyrie. Getting headshots with the Valiant isn't difficult.

Headshot multiplier seems to be the wrong way to buff the weapon. I have no alternate solution though.

[andresft]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Bessy067 wrote...

Valiant already has the highest multi clip DPS among snipers.

This argument is bad and you should feel bad.

Yes... when standing out in the open and constantly firing... it's supposed to be great. Unfortnately the game doesn't work that way since enemies shoot back.

The Valiant is subpar vs the big boy sniper rifles.

Speak for yourself. I can snipe for long periods and sustain fire for long enough to extract all that DPS out of the Valiant.

This notion that multiclip DPS is useless is simply false. If your playing style calls for shooting at bosses one bullet at a time, then just say, "it doesn't fit my style." But don't assume everyone plays like you.

[Raptor2023]

andresft wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Bessy067 wrote...

Valiant already has the highest multi clip DPS among snipers.

This argument is bad and you should feel bad.

Yes... when standing out in the open and constantly firing... it's supposed to be great. Unfortnately the game doesn't work that way since enemies shoot back.

The Valiant is subpar vs the big boy sniper rifles.

Speak for yourself. I can snipe for long periods and sustain fire for long enough to extract all that DPS out of the Valiant.

This notion that multiclip DPS is useless is simply false. If your playing style calls for shooting at bosses one bullet at a time, then just say, "it doesn't fit my style." But don't assume everyone plays like you.

If any number of fast enemies are chasing you down (Phantom, Dragoon, Banshee, etc.), you're going to want to move.

You need burst DPS.

[Crimson Vanguard]

Black Widow Sniper Rifle
- Damage increased from [514.1-642.6] to [591.2-739.0]

Black Widow Sniper Rifle
- Damage increased from [591.2-739] to [739.0-923.8]

After the second buff, my Valiant 7 belongs to the trash can.

[megabeast37215]

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Black Widow Sniper Rifle
- Damage increased from [514.1-642.6] to [591.2-739.0]

Black Widow Sniper Rifle
- Damage increased from [591.2-739] to [739.0-923.8]

After the second buff, my Valiant 7 belongs to the trash can.

/thread

My Valiant X belongs there too.

[Blind2Society]

andresft wrote...

Speak for yourself. I can snipe for long periods and sustain fire for long enough to extract all that DPS out of the Valiant.

This notion that multiclip DPS is useless is simply false. If your playing style calls for shooting at bosses one bullet at a time, then just say, "it doesn't fit my style." But don't assume everyone plays like you.

You like bronze do you?  Go ahead, sustain that DPS with an atlas shooting you with his rail cannon. Or better yet, sustain it with 3 phantoms in your face.

[megabeast37215]

andresft wrote...Speak for yourself. I can snipe for long periods and sustain fire for long enough to extract all that DPS out of the Valiant.

This notion that multiclip DPS is useless is simply false. If your playing style calls for shooting at bosses one bullet at a time, then just say, "it doesn't fit my style." But don't assume everyone plays like you.

Sure you can... you just simply zoom in and everything dies right? Aiming takes zero time, repositioning takes zero time, fast moving units never pressure you, you always have something in your sights without ever having to move... whatever dude...

Maybe on Silver...

When someone takes the Valiant to Plat and puts my Javelin GI to shame... I will concede... but that has NEVER happened. And don't give me this crap about "herp a derp, the game isn't balanced around Plat." I don't expect it to be balanced around Plat... but I expect my VALIANT X to be good at killing bosses without getting my face shot off...

[NAVIHEYLISTEN]

I agree I mostly use snipers. take some power from the jav and bw and give it to the valiant plus some extra recoil. they over buffed the snipers and now most ppl think they are nube tubes. I have valiant vlll if means anything.

[Blind2Society]

NAVIHEYLISTEN wrote...

I agree I mostly use snipers. take some power from the jav and bw and give it to the valiant plus some extra recoil. they over buffed the snipers and now most ppl think they are nube tubes. I have valiant vlll if means anything.

No

EDIT: Better?

Modifié par Blind2Society, 19 février 2013 - 01:45 .

[Raptor2023]

NAVIHEYLISTEN wrote...

I agree I mostly use snipers. take some power from the jav and bw and give it to the valiant plus some extra recoil. they over buffed the snipers and now most ppl think they are nube tubes. I have valiant vlll if means anything.

lol.....no

[NAVIHEYLISTEN]

Blind2Society wrote...

NAVIHEYLISTEN wrote...

I agree I mostly use snipers. take some power from the jav and bw and give it to the valiant plus some extra recoil. they over buffed the snipers and now most ppl think they are nube tubes. I have valiant vlll if means anything.

No

nice opinion thank you

[Cyrax86]

@ Paynez, Air Quotes


missed my point, with the valiant you can get multiple headshots, now add that multiplier so it accounts for 2 or 3 headshots, the Javelin is 1-shot sniper when you add Phasic rounds(Gold, Plat), The valiant beats BW and Javelin in a lot of the weapon categories, the valiant is a sustained dps weapon, BW and Javelin are burst dps, buffing the valiant so it has burst dps like the others doesn't mean it will lose its sustained dps.


does the valiant need attention? yes, does the valiant need a buff? yes, does it need a massive buff? no.