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Give the Valiant a 300% headshot modifier

Débuté par Guest_Air Quotes_* , févr. 19 2013 12:06

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#76
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 01:45

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Raptor2023 wrote...

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I agree I mostly use snipers. take some power from the jav and bw and give it to the valiant plus some extra recoil. they over buffed the snipers and now most ppl think they are nube tubes. I have valiant vlll if means anything.


lol.....no

don't be too informative.

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 01:59

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Blind2Society wrote...

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I agree I mostly use snipers. take some power from the jav and bw and give it to the valiant plus some extra recoil. they over buffed the snipers and now most ppl think they are nube tubes. I have valiant vlll if means anything.


No

EDIT: Better?

sure don't tell me you haven't heard ppl calling the jav and bw easy mode though?

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:06

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NAVIHEYLISTEN wrote...

sure don't tell me you haven't heard ppl calling the jav and bw easy mode though?


Why would I care what they say? They obviously have no idea what they are talking about. The people that make those weapons look like easy mode are really good players.

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:08

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The Valiant is already good vs mooks. Not sure why you want a bigger headshot modifier, that's really not its weakness at all.

stysiaq wrote...

After BW gigabuffs (buffed by over 40% + shield gate modifications) the Valiant lost a lot of appeal. 

EDIT: Oh, and the regular Widow, but I guess nobbody uses it once you level up the BW/ El Javelino


I prefer using the Widow than the BW.

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:11

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Blind2Society wrote...

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sure don't tell me you haven't heard ppl calling the jav and bw easy mode though?


Why would I care what they say? They obviously have no idea what they are talking about. The people that make those weapons look like easy mode are really good players.

ok that's cool but I made them look good before the buffs without people saying ohh they buffed them snipers good didn't they. but I guess your right it made them accessible for more players.

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:12

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You do realize that this kind of buff would only affect the gun's ability to kill mooks, as bosses will ALWAYS receive the standard 1.4x headshot multiplier. Buffing the headshot damage would only serve to make the gun better at killing mooks, which it already does incredibly well due to high ROF and quick reloads. Besides, the Valiant has the highest sustained dps of all sniper rifles which is it's niche.

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:12

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NAVIHEYLISTEN wrote...

ok that's cool but I made them look good before the buffs without people saying ohh they buffed them snipers good didn't they. but I guess your right it made them accessible for more players.


que badass.jpg

EDIT: Better?

Modifié par Blind2Society, 19 février 2013 - 02:20 .

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:15

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Feneckus wrote...
I prefer using the Widow than the BW.


Hipster...

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:18

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Blind2Society wrote...

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ok that's cool but I made them look good before the buffs without people saying ohh they buffed them snipers good didn't they. but I guess your right it made them accessible for more players.


que badass.jpg

huh don't understand that.

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:29

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It is already the best sniper rifle for Engineers and Adepts.

If you wish to buff it, the Indra must be buffed first.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 19 février 2013 - 02:29 .

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:29

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Blind2Society wrote...

NAVIHEYLISTEN wrote...

ok that's cool but I made them look good before the buffs without people saying ohh they buffed them snipers good didn't they. but I guess your right it made them accessible for more players.


que badass.jpg

EDIT: Better?

narrow minded much. do you team play as good in me3 multiplayer. iam speaking truths if you want to flame do so some where else thanks.

#87
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:30

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^ You have a strange definition of flaming friend. Anyway, go stroke your imaginary e-peen somewhere else, thanks.

iOnlySignIn wrote...

It is already the best sniper rifle for Engineers and Adepts.

If you wish to buff it, the Indra must be buffed first.


Couldn't disagree more, with the second bit.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 19 février 2013 - 02:31 .

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:34

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iOnlySignIn wrote...

It is already the best sniper rifle for Engineers and Adepts.

If you wish to buff it, the Indra must be buffed first.

the Indra is already a better sniper come assault rifle.

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:34

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Blind2Society wrote...

^ You have a strange definition of flaming friend. Anyway, go stroke your imaginary e-peen somewhere else, thanks.

iOnlySignIn wrote...

It is already the best sniper rifle for Engineers and Adepts.

If you wish to buff it, the Indra must be buffed first.

Couldn't disagree more, with the second bit.

The Indra has less sustained DPS than the Valiant at the same level, while requiring you to stay out of cover for a much longer duration to achieve that sustained DPS.

In practice on Gold/Plat, the Indra is inferior to many Assault Rifles and SMGs for casters, whereas the Valiant is top notch if you want long range burst damage.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 19 février 2013 - 02:36 .

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:37

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NAVIHEYLISTEN wrote...

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It is already the best sniper rifle for Engineers and Adepts.

If you wish to buff it, the Indra must be buffed first.

the Indra is already a better sniper come assault rifle.

Come again?

The Harrier, PPR, Hurricane, Collector SMG, and Saber are all better than the Indra. On Geth, even the GPR is better.

Edit: I forgot the Collector Sniper Rifle. It's even better than the Valiant now, and far better than the Indra.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 19 février 2013 - 02:40 .

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:38

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iOnlySignIn wrote...

The Indra has less sustained DPS than the Valiant at the same level, while requiring you to stay out of cover for a much longer duration to achieve that sustained DPS.

In practice on Gold/Plat, the Indra is inferior to many Assault Rifles and SMGs for casters, whereas the Valiant is top notch if you want long range burst damage.


You also have to factor in the fact that the valiant requires a lot more skill as it is when you compare any full auto weapon with a semi.

That said, I've only used the indra a few times, but those times, it didn't feel underpowered in the slightest. I use my valiant IX on my SE all the time and it feels severely underpowered and that's with all top level gear and quips.(especially if you took away ED).

Modifié par Blind2Society, 19 février 2013 - 02:40 .

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:40

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iOnlySignIn wrote...

NAVIHEYLISTEN wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

It is already the best sniper rifle for Engineers and Adepts.

If you wish to buff it, the Indra must be buffed first.

the Indra is already a better sniper come assault rifle.

Come again?

The Harrier, PPR, Hurricane, Collector SMG, and Saber are all better than the Indra. On Geth, even the GPR is better.

the Indra is a assault rifle with a scope head shots everything.

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:42

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Eelectrica wrote...

I want Air Quotes In charge of balance changes.
And signed sounds like fun.


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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:42

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Blind2Society wrote...

You also have to factor in the fact that the valiant requires a lot more skill as it is when you compare any full auto weapon with a semi.

That said, I've only used the indra a few times, but those times, it didn't feel underpowered in the slightest. I use my valiant IX on my SE all the time and it feels severely underpowered and that's with all top level gear and quips.(especially if you took away ED).

I don't see anyone use the Indra. Skilled or not. A less skilled player is more likely to use Harrier/Reegar.

The SE is underpowered. The Valiant is not. Try it on a Drell Adept or a Human Engineer.

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:43

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NAVIHEYLISTEN wrote...

the Indra is a assault rifle with a scope head shots everything.

Who willingly put scopes on their Assault Rifles?

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 19 février 2013 - 02:43 .

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:44

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iOnlySignIn wrote...

NAVIHEYLISTEN wrote...

the Indra is a assault rifle with a scope head shots everything.

Who willingly put scopes on their Assault Rifles?

Who willingly to make an automatic SR with high ROF?

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:45

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iOnlySignIn wrote...

I don't see anyone use the Indra. Skilled or not. A less skilled player is more likely to use Harrier/Reegar.

The SE is underpowered. The Valiant is not. Try it on a Drell Adept or a Human Engineer.


I don't know, doesn't seem like 5% is a huge difference. My casters always take the first power damage evo for the capacity bonus. With that said, my human engineer gets 20% damage bonus from passives and the Sal gets 15%. The valiant is still underpowered.

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:47

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Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Who willingly to make an automatic SR with high ROF?

One who plays on lower difficulties and/or with invincibility cheats.

All that an automatic SR does on Gold+ is getting you killed. Unless you wall hack. 

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:47

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I see people top the boards with their Valiant as much as others with their BW's.

Admittedly, I don't use my Valiant because trying to headshot a Guardian or Scion with one feels like using a Nerf Tennis Ball Cannon (the projectiles are too big).

I suppose the tradeoff bonus you get for not using a Black Widow is the legendary reload speed.

I primarily play my sniper, and I don't necessarily agree. Even if troll thread reduced suggestion to +100%.

Edited for bad spelling/grammar / typing in the dark.

Modifié par Tiamatshade, 19 février 2013 - 02:49 .

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:48

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