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Give the Valiant a 300% headshot modifier

Débuté par Guest_Air Quotes_* , févr. 19 2013 12:06

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:54

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iOnlySignIn wrote...

NAVIHEYLISTEN wrote...

the Indra is a assault rifle with a scope head shots everything.

Who willingly put scopes on their Assault Rifles?

it was a reply to your. come again comment when I said the Indra is a sniper come assault rifle and has better performance than the valiant. For me at least. Sorry I wasn't clear.

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:57

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Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Who willingly to make an automatic SR with high ROF?

One who plays on lower difficulties and/or with invincibility cheats.

All that an automatic SR does on Gold+ is getting you killed. Unless you wall hack. 

do you mean use cover and right hand advantage?

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 03:07

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NAVIHEYLISTEN wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Who willingly to make an automatic SR with high ROF?

One who plays on lower difficulties and/or with invincibility cheats.

All that an automatic SR does on Gold+ is getting you killed. Unless you wall hack. 

do you mean use cover and right hand advantage?


There is no arguing with BSN Navi.  Don't waste your time.  You know I personally hate the indra, but you do very well with it so I know it is worthwhile.

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 03:12

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NO! Its already beastly. Ignore Bioware!


It's fine. It's got a niche already; designated mook killer. That thing destroys mooks quickly and efficiently.

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 03:15

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[/quote]hey mass wanted to know if wall hack was a cheat or just playing game while using cover is all. Up for a game btw.

There is no arguing with BSN Navi.  Don't waste your time.  You know I personally hate the indra, but you do very well with it so I know it is worthwhile.

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Modifié par NAVIHEYLISTEN, 19 février 2013 - 03:17 .

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 03:19

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Wow quote went so wrong lol.:D

Modifié par NAVIHEYLISTEN, 19 février 2013 - 03:21 .

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 03:23

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Wall hack is in reference to hunter mode. Also, cant play tonight bit we will soon

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:36

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iOnlySignIn wrote...

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Who willingly to make an automatic SR with high ROF?

One who plays on lower difficulties and/or with invincibility cheats.

All that an automatic SR does on Gold+ is getting you killed. Unless you wall hack. 


CSR.

#109
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:44

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I'm afraid that would accomplish nothing (valiant simply does too much damage per shot to profit from a small mook headshot modifier increase) ...

Valiant already 1 HeadShot kills un-shielded mooks .. And 2 HS kills shielded mooks ... And boss headshot modifier is fixed at 1.4 ... (SR bonused infiltrators) ...

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One less known fact about valiant -it has extremely high chance to apply ammo effects ( very good Tech burst// Fire explosion weapon) ...

Modifié par peddroelmz, 19 février 2013 - 04:56 .

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:53

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i don't see why i have a lvl 9 i one shot anything without shield on head shots 2 shot with shields including pyro and bombers and dragoons and even phantoms on gold. not much of a boss unit killer though.

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:54

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The Valiant completely obliterates any enemy that's thrown at you in Gold except Phantoms on host. I have it at V, and when I use it, the killfeed goes nuts because it's the most efficient sniper on that difficulty in terms of dps, stability and reload speed. Giving it a bigger headshot multiplier would be useless because there's a shortage of minions on Platinum, those multipliers are bugged vs bosses and the fact that in Gold this gun can already dominate even at low levels.

It needs something different. Piercing, more damage, more bullets per clip (4 or 5), something like that.

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 05:02

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OblivionDawn wrote...

No. It's already incredible, even for headshots, and it isn't worth the risk of a potential damage nerf.


The Valiant has gone unchanged even through the Tactical Cloak nerf, when pretty much every other sniper got a 15%+ damage buff. It needs something. Nobody ever uses it because there's far better snipers available. -You- might, but hell, Bioware nerfed the Carnifex because everyone was using it, so usage statistics work in there somewhere.

The Valiant may have the best multi-clip DPS, but it's a hell of a lot easier to mow down mooks with an Indra, and very easy to get three or more kills in a single clip if you're on top of things.

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 11:08

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Cyrax86 wrote...

@ Paynez, Air Quotes


missed my point, with the valiant you can get multiple headshots, now add that multiplier so it accounts for 2 or 3 headshots, the Javelin is 1-shot sniper when you add Phasic rounds(Gold, Plat), The valiant beats BW and Javelin in a lot of the weapon categories, the valiant is a sustained dps weapon, BW and Javelin are burst dps, buffing the valiant so it has burst dps like the others doesn't mean it will lose its sustained dps.


does the valiant need attention? yes, does the valiant need a buff? yes, does it need a massive buff? no.

 

You already get a 250% modifier for headshots by default. 300% will not make a huge deal. And you will have to land those headshots to get it. 

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 11:09

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signed, bioware please do this, really.

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 11:13

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Feneckus wrote...

The Valiant is already good vs mooks. Not sure why you want a bigger headshot modifier, that's really not its weakness at all.

stysiaq wrote...

After BW gigabuffs (buffed by over 40% + shield gate modifications) the Valiant lost a lot of appeal. 

EDIT: Oh, and the regular Widow, but I guess nobbody uses it once you level up the BW/ El Javelino


I prefer using the Widow than the BW.

 

The Valiant needs 3 shots to down a Centurion or Marauder. Or 2 headshots. And while you aim and fire, other enemies will likely to shoot you back and hit you. Widow or Back Widow will do it with a body shot. Boom! and you move on. Minimum exposure.

None of the sniper rifles have a 300% HS modifier. I think the Valiant needs to be the one that gets it.

It's N7, it's a promo, it's never been buffed and it's outclassed by BW heavily now.  

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 11:21

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Grammaton Dryad wrote...

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Making a Valiant buff thread again and I'll keep bumping this for a whole week. 

Valiant needs a similar niche as the Valkyrie. Designated headshot sniper. 


Except that the Valiant has zero recoil, unlike the Valkyrie. Getting headshots with the Valiant isn't difficult.

Headshot multiplier seems to be the wrong way to buff the weapon. I have no alternate solution though.

 

I score 20 headshots wih a Valkyrie ALL the time. And on a Demolisher which is not exactly a weapons platform. 

Modifié par Air Quotes, 19 février 2013 - 11:21 .

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 11:24

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Raptor2023 wrote...

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Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Who willingly to make an automatic SR with high ROF?

One who plays on lower difficulties and/or with invincibility cheats.

All that an automatic SR does on Gold+ is getting you killed. Unless you wall hack. 


CSR.

It does wonders on gold without much equipment.Image IPB

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 11:25

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A small buff to damage would make it much more appealing given the fact it's already easy to use. No recoil, good RoF, quick reload and reasonably light. These are all great things. Just needs to pack a little more punch overall. 

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 11:26

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To be precise Mr. Quotes, you're looking for a 200% modifier. As it is, it's a 150% modifier.

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 11:29

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Kenadian wrote...

To be precise Mr. Quotes, you're looking for a 200% modifier. As it is, it's a 150% modifier.

 

:mellow:, I though you play this game.

Valiant -  2.50x HS modifier  

docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 11:31

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ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L wrote...

A small buff to damage would make it much more appealing given the fact it's already easy to use. No recoil, good RoF, quick reload and reasonably light. These are all great things. Just needs to pack a little more punch overall. 

 

Bioware will look at the DPS numbers and say - hey, it has good # - no buff needed. Headshot modifier would reward skill and consistent aim. 

Come to think about it. I think the Raptor and the Incisor should also get a 300% HS along with the Valiant.  

Modifié par Air Quotes, 19 février 2013 - 11:32 .

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 11:36

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Air Quotes wrote...
 
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Come to think about it. I think the Raptor and the Incisor should also get a 300% HS along with the Valiant.  


it would be usefull for them .. But the valiant does too much damage per shot to benefit .. No bonus points for overkill in this game ...

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 12:31

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Only ones I think should possibly have a 300% headshot modifier is raptor or incisor surly? To make the gamble worth while.

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 12:37

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iOnlySignIn wrote...

All that an automatic SR does on Gold+ is getting you killed. Unless you wall hack.

Most of my 200k points with CSR and Indra were scored in gold. Didn't die any more with them than I did with the Valiant and Javelin on the same difficulty.

Only one of them I wallhacked with was the Jav, for the rest I used Salarian and Quarian Male Inf.

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Posté 19 février 2013 - 12:38

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As for the thread topic, I wouldn't mind, but as others have mentioned it would be a bit pointless since it wouldn't affect boss headshots, and it already one/two-shots unshielded and shielded mooks respectively with headshots.
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