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[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Air Quotes wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

I kinda shrug when people ask for buffs to weapons I love and use all the time.

It feels like buffing something so awesome is just asking for too much.

But really, if you pull it off, and suddenly I'm getting 2 - 3 kills per clip on Gold/Platinum with my Valiant.

I'm not gonna complain. 

(But 50% of the PuGs I play with definitely will, and I bet they'll show up here asking for the Valiant to be nerfed. :innocent:)

 

I don't get some people. 300% headshot modifier would only benefit those who land headshots. The normal DPS will stay the same. If you get headshots - horray, here's your reward. If you don't - tough cookies. 

This rewards players skill and consistency. Plus makes a weapon more special. And an N7 promo gun deserves to be more special. 

Like I said, I won't complain. I love headshotting all the things, all the time.

[Dokteur Kill]

Air Quotes wrote...
I don't get some people. 300% headshot modifier would only benefit those who land headshots. The normal DPS will stay the same. If you get headshots - horray, here's your reward. If you don't - tough cookies.

Is it even going to make a difference?

Bosses only get 1.4 x headshot damage anyway, so that's not going to change. And is there any mook on any difficulty that doesn't die in either one or two headshots from the Valiant, depending on whether or not it has shields? Only ones I'm unsure of are the Pyro and Dragoon.

[Vlark]

Air Quotes wrote...

Vlark wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

M1A2 Abrams Tank wrote...

I like the 300% headshot Idea. Can we reduce the maximum weight also, from like 1.75-1.00 to 1.50-1.00 since it's hard to level up.

 

Weight is fine. It's not suppose to be lighter than Indra. 

You know in every thread you seem like you have insight into the Concept and Design of any and every class/weapon/power out there. You don't know if X is designed to do Y. Do not pretend. Ever.

  

I think I do. Common sense tells me. I use it and I like it. Try it sometimes. 

So your common sense has evolved into an argumentable fact. Cute. Stop pretending, say that you THINK it is. Won't create such an arrogant attitude like you are doing it right now. And to topic: No imo the Valiant is fine as it is.  Actually its my best weapon on my SI. Oneshotting Mooks enough , what do i want more?

[Ramsutin]

YES!

[Vlark]

Black Widow has a terrible RoF compared to the Valiant and a longer Reload.
Valiant>Widow at Gold
Widow>Valiant at Platinum.

[-Scythe-]

All sniper rifles got a massive buff but the Valiant was left out, that alone is a reason to buff it any way.

[Vlark]

Take phasic rounds and you'll oneshot Mooks. No need for preShot-ED. And with that RoF you can kill groups of Mooks very quickly. Which you can't with the Widow.

And i get your point that this would increase the Valiant a lot but do you really think it NEEDS it? Its awesome as it is , does a ton of Damage thanks to no reload and this awesome RoF.

You actually need 3 or more Body Shots with the Valiant , depending on your Equiptment. And thats ok , it ain't a black widow.

[Dokteur Kill]

Air Quotes wrote...
If you can kill a Centurion with a 1 shot instead of 2 it's a big improvement. Improvement in survivability and killing speed. And it rewards for making headshots. Because if a Centurion dies from 2 body shots or 2 headsots, there's no reason to go for headshots. But if it dies from 2 body shot or 1 headshot - there is a reason to go for a headshot and you get rewared for it. Get it?

I don't think changing the hs modifier is going to be enough to allow it to singleshot a Centurion. Maybe with phasic and tactical cloak bonus, but I'm wondering if it isn't already there. I guess I can always give it a try.

On any non-infiltrator without phasic ammo, you're still going to have to go for two headshots.

Pretty sure a gold Centurion needs three body shots at the moment, but I haven't tried it with every concievable combination of consumables, so I'm not going to put money on it.

[Vlark]

My point is: Do you really think that a buff is needed? Is the Weapon broken beyond help? I dont think it is. Its awesome , it does very well across every difficult - even on Level III. I for my part have a lot of fun with it as it is.

Why buff something that is fine as it is. Better to pay attention to some other things.

[Vlark]

It feels COMPLETLY different than the Paladin and the Saber.

And the Saber is way heavier. You can not compare them , its just nothing alike. Plus you get +Damage with SniperRifles with Infiltrators.

[moortenson]

Googleness wrote...
Javelin = 1-shot kill
Widow = 1-shot kill
Black Widow = 1 shot kill

This. With optimal equipment & consumables & Phasic ammo the Valiant still doesn't 1-shot shielded mooks on gold(AFAIK). In addition it barely scratches armour so yeah I think it needs a buff.

Modifié par moortenson, 19 février 2013 - 03:58 .

[capn233]

Vlark wrote...

Take phasic rounds and you'll oneshot Mooks. No need for preShot-ED. And with that RoF you can kill groups of Mooks very quickly. Which you can't with the Widow.

This argument is just hogwash mainly.

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capn233 wrote...

Some people made claims about how it is so great you can one-shot three targets rapidly, but ignore the fact you
don't need both hands to count what a max weapon damage GI w/ Cloak can one-shot with the Valiant X and Phasic III + max amps / gear.  Namely on Gold: Cerburus Assault Trooper, Guardian, Cannibal, Husk, Geth  Trooper, Collector Trooper and both Abominations.  Add in Dragoon if you use Targetting VI III instead of Rail Amp.  On Platinum you can forget the Dragoon.  Compare to Black Widow which with the same setup will
actually one-shot every single Cerberus unit on Gold save the Turret and Atlas....

You don't one-shot any significant protected units with the Valiant.  It just does not happen.  The old advantage was rapid follow-up shots on mid-tier enemies when there was 100% shieldgate.  This is not an advantage any longer, and hasn't been for several months.

Also the bit about Valiant not having recoil is untrue.  It has a small amount of recoil.  Interestingly though, it never resets back to the pre-shot point of aim, unlike the Black Widow that has a bunch of scope jump, but falls back to original POA.

Modifié par capn233, 19 février 2013 - 04:04 .

[Vlark]

Air Quotes wrote...

Vlark wrote...

My point is: Do you really think that a buff is needed? Is the Weapon broken beyond help? I dont think it is. Its awesome , it does very well across every difficult - even on Level III. I for my part have a lot of fun with it as it is.

Why buff something that is fine as it is. Better to pay attention to some other things.

 

Once you get BW X and get good with it, there's very little reason to go Valiant if at all. Once you get Paladin X - same. Saber - same. 

Because it feels differently? With the Valiant i play completely different as with the Black Widow or Saber.  The Black Widow is more of a sniper than the Valiant. With the Valiant i can play extremly agressive , just shooting things with that insane RoF and ReloadSpeed+Cancel. And its not all about the Weapon feeling but also about the wheight.

With the Valiant i can naturally spam all my powers , whilst with the Widow it all feels suppressed.

[GallowsPole]

Slap AP rounds on a Valiant and compare it to a Saber or Paladin and see the differences. You're talking one ammo type.

[Yate]

I say give that buff to the Incisor.

If only for the lulz.