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[Yate]

Valiant's fine guys, it's a great weapon. I prefer it to the BW, it's far easier to handle. It's not just about potential DPS, you know.

[Dokteur Kill]

Air Quotes wrote...
The point is - Valiant needs a strong niche.  

Anyway. BSN for you: 

1. ask for buff - get hated on

Not hating. I'm just asking if this actually is a buff. Because, tbh it looks like a paper buff. Looks good, but doesn't actually change how the weapon performs.

I mean, is there any enemy that now requires two shots that can be killed in one shot with an increased HS multiplier?

[capn233]

Yate wrote...

I say give that buff to the Incisor.

If only for the lulz.

Drop the unscope damage penalty to 15%.  Or zero if feeling generous.

[Vlark]

Air Quotes wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

Slap AP rounds on a Valiant and compare it to a Saber or Paladin and see the differences. You're talking one ammo type.

 

Saber will out-sustain it with 14 shots. Paladin will out-sustain it with 5 shots + 40% damage buff. 

If you hit the Head of that Guardian at the other side of the map without a scope. Yeah.

And i tried them out just now , the RoF seems about the Same but the Valiant reloads much quicker - even more noticable with reload cancel.

[capn233]

Dokteur Kill wrote...

I mean, is there any enemy that now requires two shots that can be killed in one shot with an increased HS multiplier?

The answer is likely not many.  It depends on too many combinations, and especially the fact that there is a wide distribution in what level Val people have.

[Vlark]

Yate wrote...

Valiant's fine guys, it's a great weapon. I prefer it to the BW, it's far easier to handle. It's not just about potential DPS, you know.

Exactly. Theorie is nice but a weapon has to feel right. And in that these 3 Weapons are COMPLETELY different.

[Mr Arg]

I think people forget Vulnerability VI's exist.... also, with a weapon damage class, the Valiant can one-shot mooks on gold....

[Vlark]

Like i said its not about theory but about the feeling of the Gun. And that Scope is Crap. Seriously , the Valiant one is way better,

Saber Ammo Mod+Scope , so you dont have any AP? Ah theres AP Ammunition...but now you HAVE to use them. See what i want to say?

And why would you need to One-Shot Mooks? Why does every Sniper has to do that? The CSR does not oneshot Mooks and nobody's complaining about that.
It would take away a lot of the Valiant Gun if it would do exactly the same as the Hard-Hitters.

[capn233]

Mr Arg wrote...

I think people forget Vulnerability VI's exist.... also, with a weapon damage class, the Valiant can one-shot mooks on gold....

Nobody has forgotten.  And I posted the list that you can one-shot twice in this thread.

If you add on fake one-shotting (like with Disruptor Ammo, Sabotage Backfire and Tech Burst) then the list is a little longer.

Modifié par capn233, 19 février 2013 - 04:29 .

[Vlark]

Air Quotes wrote...

And a feeling is not a theory? Really? I say Thermal Scope on a Saber is AWESOME. CSR will melt mooks with a short hold of a trigger.  

With a Valiant you also pretty much have to use Phasic ammo. And you get a penalty for shooting it unscoped. with a Paladin or Saber I can hip fire them in CQC and not get any penalty. Plus better accuracy taht will save my life.  

And the idea is so that Valiant could one shot mooks with a headshot, but not with body shot, so headshots get rewarded and players seek them more.  

How hard is to understand that? 

Its not hard to understand , but it eludes me why it is actually required. The weapon deals a ton of damage right now , it feels just right and different from other weapons. No Buff is needed. Its fine.

You HAVE to use Phasics? No , not really. Actually i don't use them at all with the Valiant and it works perfectly fine.

[...]And a feeling is not a theory? Really?[...]

No , actually a feeling is not a theory. Its a feeling. Thats why its called feeling. Like...you FEEL it. Not THINK about it. Thinking about , and feeling something is quite the difference. Ask the thing between your legs. It will know.

Modifié par Vlark, 19 février 2013 - 04:42 .

[Vlark]

Nice another irrelevant argument. Don't know if i can , i never tried. I don't think i can. But i can't do it with the Shuriken, so i think we have to buff the Shuriken so that it oneshots Mooks too.

You wont get that if you do not compare weapons to each other rather than just play with them and judge them on their own you will see that the Valiant is totally fine as it is.
Just try open another thread on Weapon X that needs more Buffs , because aparrently Bioware seems to do exactly as you please. (God be blessed , thats not the case).

But I really think that we both won't understand what the other one is trying to say, so i'll stop it now. We won't reach consensus here.

Modifié par Vlark, 19 février 2013 - 05:16 .

[Dokteur Kill]

Air Quotes wrote...
It's NOT a paper buff. It's a real one and at the same time not an "in your face" one. It rewards aiming rather than spraying bullets. Valkyrie's 300% headshot buff made into a strong niche AR. Locust's 300% headshot buff made into a special SMG.  

With gear and ammo and additional HS bonuses Valiant will start 1 shotting Centurions and Marauders with headshots and no powers will be required to strip shields.

See, you keep claiming this, but you haven't actually documented it. What enemies can you one-shot with a 3x headshot modifier that you can not with a 2.5x headshot modifier. Under what circumstances? Don't just throw out claims, give some concrete examples. Pretty sure Valiant can already one-shot Centurions and Marauders "with gear and ammo and additional HS bonuses". How does your suggestion make a real difference to how the weapon actually performs?

Air Quotes wrote...
And a feeling is not a theory?

Nooo, at best it's a hypothesis. In order to be upgraded to "theory"-territory, you'll have to verify it empirically.

[immanji]

oh alright. I give my consent hehe even though I really suck at aiming

[smilinpig]

 it needs ....something....

[sca462069]

Gonna have to agree it needs a headshot damage buff or something, I used to use it all the time but reload cancel a Widow X and its miles better then the Valiant IX

Modifié par sca462069, 19 février 2013 - 05:19 .

[Dokteur Kill]

Air Quotes wrote...
Do the math. I don't have to do it for you. 

Actually, since you're the one making unsubtantiated claims and trying to convince people: Yes. Yes you do. Because unless you've actually done the math yourself, how can you know that you're right? And if you don't know whether you're right or not, why should we believe you?

[hellman77]

"The weapon does a ton of damage."

Lol.
It's a pea shooter.

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

hellman77 wrote...

"The weapon does a ton of damage."

Lol.
It's a pea shooter.

Everything is a pea shooter next to a Black Widow or Javelin. And while the Javelin is more like anti-boss-artillery, the Black Widow is just a deus ex machina and spoils people. They play it once and never want another sniper rifle again....as seen here.

Valiant is an excellent Sniper and I'd like a buff for it. It deserves more reason to be wanted in a commendation pack, everyone wishes for a hurricane at the moment which has to be changed.