That meeting when were first introduced to the Dalatrass, all she did was insult the Krogan and gives half hearted reasons for not curing the Genophage such as how "they ceased to be useful" and how they couldn't control their "urges".
Now if she gave valid reasons such as how they killed billions and rendered planets uninabitable before they could be stopped, their explicit and continually stated interest in getting retribution on the other races or how they were wholly unrepentant with regards to the whole Krogan Rebellions.
Would that have made you side with her or would you still gone ahead and cured the Genophage?
Would you have supported the Dalatrass if she gave valid points?
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 01:43
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I would support the Dalatrass if i would have a better ending. (no catalyst bs and so on)
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 01:45
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Yeah, the pro-krogan bias in the genophage plotline is really annoying. It's very clear who they want you to side with.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 01:45
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If you look past some of the more racist comments, I thought she did kind of make the point that they caused massive destruction.
That said, if that were the emphasis, yeah, I'd probably still cure the genophage. Why:
1. The Reapers are the real threat right now. If we don't do anything about the Reapers, the galaxy won't be around long enough for us to worry about what the krogan might do.
2. The krogan will help us hold on long enough to finish the Crucible.
3. If the Crucible fails or turns out to be a dead end, we might need krogan who are unhindered by the genophage to pop out assault troops for an undetermined amount of time. Yeah, we'll probably still lose, but at least with krogan who are reproducing normally maybe we can hold on for a little longer and make things all the harder for the Reapers.
That said, if that were the emphasis, yeah, I'd probably still cure the genophage. Why:
1. The Reapers are the real threat right now. If we don't do anything about the Reapers, the galaxy won't be around long enough for us to worry about what the krogan might do.
2. The krogan will help us hold on long enough to finish the Crucible.
3. If the Crucible fails or turns out to be a dead end, we might need krogan who are unhindered by the genophage to pop out assault troops for an undetermined amount of time. Yeah, we'll probably still lose, but at least with krogan who are reproducing normally maybe we can hold on for a little longer and make things all the harder for the Reapers.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 01:46
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Honestly yes, I always support her when Wreav is the leader of the Krogan anyway, but it would have made me feel less evil if she talked about it with a more, "look at the long term consequences of this" attitude, as opposed to a "I'm smarter than you, so of course I'm right" one. But of course, the latter is the attitude most stereotypical Salarians have, so I'm not that upset about it.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 01:47
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I always side with the Dalatrass, Mordin lives.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 01:48
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I'd still cure the genophage if Wrex and Eve are alive. If Wreav is in charge I'd sabotage. Simple
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 01:50
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if I could have pulled a shotgun to her face I would have
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 01:51
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The story does try to portray the krogan as being entirely innocent victims and rather glosses over the issues that resulted in the genophage being created in the first place, even with both Wrex and Eve around. That said pragmatism says that we need the krogan so at worst they're the lesser of two evils. Sabotaging the cure seems like too convenient a dodge.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 01:52
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Aside from the racist first impression she actually does have some valid reasoning behind her judgement.
Wrex realistically can't promise that the Krogan will become a diplomatic race. Violence is a big part of their traditions.
EDIT:
Post-EC I find myself curing the genophage in all my playthroughs since Wrex being alive = always good outcome via the epilogue.
Wrex realistically can't promise that the Krogan will become a diplomatic race. Violence is a big part of their traditions.
EDIT:
Post-EC I find myself curing the genophage in all my playthroughs since Wrex being alive = always good outcome via the epilogue.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 01:54
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I actually think that short to medium term the krogan will be something of a mess for the galaxy even with both Wrex and Eve alive.
I think a krogan civil war of sorts is likely a few years after ME3. There's simply no way that all of the more traditional clans will submit to Wrex's ideas willingly. Some of them will also find ways to create problems for the rest of the galaxy.
I think a krogan civil war of sorts is likely a few years after ME3. There's simply no way that all of the more traditional clans will submit to Wrex's ideas willingly. Some of them will also find ways to create problems for the rest of the galaxy.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 01:55
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She does give valid points, I would side with her if Wrex and Eve weren't around. Them being the driving force behind the Krogan reformist movement makes me want to take a chance but even I'll admit it's a risk, still with them it's one I'm willing to take.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 01:57
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This. She had valid points, but they demonized her as a character. The narrative could have done without the STG guys gossiping about what a witch she is. Same goes for Gerrel - they put him in front of you as a literal punching bag and sweep his motivations (the fleet's needs, along with most of the crap the Geth did over the last three centuries) under the rug. Same goes for TIM. "For Yoo-Manity" is all we get from him now.The-Biotic-God wrote...
Aside from the racist first impression she actually does have some valid reasoning behind her judgement.
Wrex realistically can't promise that the Krogan will become a diplomatic race. Violence is a big part of their traditions.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:00
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Well her points are valid.
She's just incredibly condescending and racist when bringing them up.
I personally believe the Krogan (due to the current biological disposition of their gene pool) are, by nature, almost incapable of peace. It's stated somewhere (I'm trying to find the codex entry) that when nuclear war demolished the planet, many of the survivors were the mentally unstable individuals prone to violence.
But with Eve and Wrex, I'm going to take a chance. 1 chance. I had my gun drawn on Mordin, and in a moment of uncertainty, I decided to let him cure the genophage.
In headcanon, my Shepard leaves Wrex with an explanation of what he almost did, and a warning. If the Krogan ever try anything again, Shepard will personally burn their race to ash.
She's just incredibly condescending and racist when bringing them up.
I personally believe the Krogan (due to the current biological disposition of their gene pool) are, by nature, almost incapable of peace. It's stated somewhere (I'm trying to find the codex entry) that when nuclear war demolished the planet, many of the survivors were the mentally unstable individuals prone to violence.
But with Eve and Wrex, I'm going to take a chance. 1 chance. I had my gun drawn on Mordin, and in a moment of uncertainty, I decided to let him cure the genophage.
In headcanon, my Shepard leaves Wrex with an explanation of what he almost did, and a warning. If the Krogan ever try anything again, Shepard will personally burn their race to ash.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:00
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DeinonSlayer wrote...
This. She had valid points, but they demonized her as a character. The narrative could have done without the STG guys gossiping about what a witch she is. Same goes for Gerrel - they put him in front of you as a literal punching bag and sweep his motivations (the fleet's needs, along with most of the crap the Geth did over the last three centuries) under the rug. Same goes for TIM. "For Yoo-Manity" is all we get from him now.The-Biotic-God wrote...
Aside from the racist first impression she actually does have some valid reasoning behind her judgement.
Wrex realistically can't promise that the Krogan will become a diplomatic race. Violence is a big part of their traditions.
Off-topic but Gerrel's order to fire on the Dreadnought was a sound strategy. In Shepard's shoes I would have been angry but it's understandable why Gerrel would do what he did.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:04
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It was sound, and I tell him that. There was no telling how long it would be before it came back online, and if it did, it would go tearing back into your only allies in the system and nobody would be able to stop it.The-Biotic-God wrote...
Off-topic but Gerrel's order to fire on the Dreadnought was a sound strategy. In Shepard's shoes I would have been angry but it's understandable why Gerrel would do what he did.DeinonSlayer wrote...
This. She had valid points, but they demonized her as a character. The narrative could have done without the STG guys gossiping about what a witch she is. Same goes for Gerrel - they put him in front of you as a literal punching bag and sweep his motivations (the fleet's needs, along with most of the crap the Geth did over the last three centuries) under the rug. Same goes for TIM. "For Yoo-Manity" is all we get from him now.The-Biotic-God wrote...
Aside from the racist first impression she actually does have some valid reasoning behind her judgement.
Wrex realistically can't promise that the Krogan will become a diplomatic race. Violence is a big part of their traditions.
I doubt Koris' crew appreciates being abandoned to the Geth later on, but that, too, services the greater objective.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:05
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She made some decent points, the data leans towards a resurgent Krogan laying waste to the galaxy after the Reapers are dealt with. With Wrex and Bakara in charge, that may change, but it appears that without them she is absolutely right.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:06
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The Salarian stance regarding the Krogan is paranoid at best and outright bigoted at worst. Yes, the Krogan are dangerous if they can revert to their natural breeding scale and keep their aggressive and eventually expansionist attitude.
However any Krogan uprise is a long shot distant, whereas the Reapers are not. If standing a chance to survive against a force that WILL kill everything, using/exploiting a force that COULD kill everything is perfectly viable and in the given state how the reapers just steamroll everything perfectly reasonable. It's the Godzilla Threshold.
A malevolent if is always the lesser evil than a malevolent certainty.
The Dalatrass was simply idiotic and I think it is both a shame that I can't read her my "notes" aswell that actually giving in to her blabbering gives you exactly squat in returns. Apart from the "want to see every variable", the is no reason to ever side with the Salarians at all. Poor writing there I dare say.
However any Krogan uprise is a long shot distant, whereas the Reapers are not. If standing a chance to survive against a force that WILL kill everything, using/exploiting a force that COULD kill everything is perfectly viable and in the given state how the reapers just steamroll everything perfectly reasonable. It's the Godzilla Threshold.
A malevolent if is always the lesser evil than a malevolent certainty.
The Dalatrass was simply idiotic and I think it is both a shame that I can't read her my "notes" aswell that actually giving in to her blabbering gives you exactly squat in returns. Apart from the "want to see every variable", the is no reason to ever side with the Salarians at all. Poor writing there I dare say.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:08
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never seen that..... Link?DeinonSlayer wrote...
This. She had valid points, but they demonized her as a character. The narrative could have done without the STG guys gossiping about what a witch she is. Same goes for Gerrel - they put him in front of you as a literal punching bag and sweep his motivations (the fleet's needs, along with most of the crap the Geth did over the last three centuries) under the rug. Same goes for TIM. "For Yoo-Manity" is all we get from him now.The-Biotic-God wrote...
Aside from the racist first impression she actually does have some valid reasoning behind her judgement.
Wrex realistically can't promise that the Krogan will become a diplomatic race. Violence is a big part of their traditions.
But I definitely agree. The Dalatrass and even the whole Salarian Union should have been a bit less negatively portrayed. Or at least cast light on the atrocities the Krogan committed.
dont get me started on TIM<_<
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:11
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I'm not going to be able to find video for that exchange... if I'm remembering right, it's two salarians standing near the elevator around where you speak to Padok Wiks, before going down into the lab itself to meet Mordin. One of them suggests something which is a violation of protocol and the other delves into the Dalatrass' punishment for that.Steelcan wrote...
never seen that..... Link?DeinonSlayer wrote...
This. She had valid points, but they demonized her as a character. The narrative could have done without the STG guys gossiping about what a witch she is. Same goes for Gerrel - they put him in front of you as a literal punching bag and sweep his motivations (the fleet's needs, along with most of the crap the Geth did over the last three centuries) under the rug. Same goes for TIM. "For Yoo-Manity" is all we get from him now.The-Biotic-God wrote...
Aside from the racist first impression she actually does have some valid reasoning behind her judgement.
Wrex realistically can't promise that the Krogan will become a diplomatic race. Violence is a big part of their traditions.
But I definitely agree. The Dalatrass and even the whole Salarian Union should have been a bit less negatively portrayed. Or at least cast light on the atrocities the Krogan committed.
dont get me started on TIM<_<
I just have this burning memory from LotSB of a fellow bound to a chair being torched alive and exploding not thirty feet from Wrex's throne...
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:11
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I have to agree.
I choose to fake the cure & get the Krogan's assistance.
Mainly because had we given them the cure, their newer generations would be too late to help in the Reaper war. But they would become a problem assuming we won the Reaper war, with the Krogan becoming an extremely powerful faction.
The last thing humanity would need when trying to rebuild after the war would be a powerful Krogan faction... it would greatly diminish our own power.
I choose to fake the cure & get the Krogan's assistance.
Mainly because had we given them the cure, their newer generations would be too late to help in the Reaper war. But they would become a problem assuming we won the Reaper war, with the Krogan becoming an extremely powerful faction.
The last thing humanity would need when trying to rebuild after the war would be a powerful Krogan faction... it would greatly diminish our own power.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:12
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depends on which playthrough I'm doing.
If Wreav is in charge yes.
If Wrex is in charge, I flip a coin.
If Wreav is in charge yes.
If Wrex is in charge, I flip a coin.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 02:18
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Yes, but the Krogan suffer for far too long, curing the genophage will not only increase their morale, and give them hope for their own future, they got something to really fight for. They will also be more willing to bond with the other races and during a pro-long war with the reapers their fertility will certainly provide the population we need to keep our ground forces from going extinct. I can maybe understand with Wreav in charge and Eve dead, reluctantly, I just count my self fortunate enough to never had to deal with him in power.
