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[Steelcan]

Eterna5 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Of course they can die of old age. Thy have about the same life expectancy as asari. 

. Nope.  Average Asari lifespan is ~1000. Okeer was 1400 and he died unnaturally

It is impossible to live indefinitely. Krogan are organic, they do die eventually. 

. Why?  They can replace deteriorated organs with back-ups or generate new ones.  As long as they don't get blown apart or die of disease I see no reason why they can't maintain this.  

[fiendishchicken]

Eterna5 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Of course they can die of old age. Thy have about the same life expectancy as asari. 

. Nope.  Average Asari lifespan is ~1000. Okeer was 1400 and he died unnaturally

It is impossible to live indefinitely. Krogan are organic, they do die eventually. 

Tell that to HeLa Cells and the Turritopsis nutricula: The Immortal jellyfish.

[SeptimusMagistos]

I feel like the Dalatrass is supposed to represent the kind of assumptions Salarians made while running their vaunted simulations.

[fiendishchicken]

Steelcan wrote...
 Why?  They can replace deteriorated organs with back-ups or generate new ones.  As long as they don't get blown apart or die of disease I see no reason why they can't maintain this.  

That said, Krogan can die of age. Steelcan, you really don't believe this do you? They have extremely long longevity. But that does not mean they live indefinitely until they are killed.

Also: Source?

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 19 février 2013 - 04:20 .

[Steelcan]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
 Why?  They can replace deteriorated organs with back-ups or generate new ones.  As long as they don't get blown apart or die of disease I see no reason why they can't maintain this.  

That said, Krogan can die of age. Steelcan, you really don't believe this do you? They have extremely long longevity. But that does not mean they live indefinitely until they are killed.

Also: Source?

. Source, codex on Krogan biology.  I doubt they can live forever, but I see no reason why they can't live for multiple millennia.

[dreman9999]

Steelcan wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Of course they can die of old age. Thy have about the same life expectancy as asari. 

. Nope.  Average Asari lifespan is ~1000. Okeer was 1400 and he died unnaturally

It is impossible to live indefinitely. Krogan are organic, they do die eventually. 

. Why?  They can replace deteriorated organs with back-ups or generate new ones.  As long as they don't get blown apart or die of disease I see no reason why they can't maintain this.  

Can you you repalce deteriorated brain a matter?

[Eterna]

Steelcan wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Of course they can die of old age. Thy have about the same life expectancy as asari. 

. Nope.  Average Asari lifespan is ~1000. Okeer was 1400 and he died unnaturally

It is impossible to live indefinitely. Krogan are organic, they do die eventually. 

. Why?  They can replace deteriorated organs with back-ups or generate new ones.  As long as they don't get blown apart or die of disease I see no reason why they can't maintain this.  

Because all organisms eventually reach the point were they can no linger replicate and replace tissues and cells. Immortality is impossible for any creature as complex as a Krogan. 

[Steelcan]

dreman9999 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Of course they can die of old age. Thy have about the same life expectancy as asari. 

. Nope.  Average Asari lifespan is ~1000. Okeer was 1400 and he died unnaturally

It is impossible to live indefinitely. Krogan are organic, they do die eventually. 

. Why?  They can replace deteriorated organs with back-ups or generate new ones.  As long as they don't get blown apart or die of disease I see no reason why they can't maintain this.  

Can you you repalce deteriorated brain a matter?

. Cellular regeneration

[dreman9999]

Steelcan wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
 Why?  They can replace deteriorated organs with back-ups or generate new ones.  As long as they don't get blown apart or die of disease I see no reason why they can't maintain this.  

That said, Krogan can die of age. Steelcan, you really don't believe this do you? They have extremely long longevity. But that does not mean they live indefinitely until they are killed.

Also: Source?

. Source, codex on Krogan biology.  I doubt they can live forever, but I see no reason why they can't live for multiple millennia.

"Having redundant systems makes krogan difficult to kill or incapacitate in normal combat scenarios. Sheer physical hardiness means an individual krogan can expect to live for centuries. Krogan can live for well over a thousand years, as evidenced by Warlord Okeer, a veteran of the Krogan Rebellions who died (of decidedly unnatural causes) well over a thousand years after the Rebellions ended."

That implies they do die on their own.

[Steelcan]

Eterna5 wrote...

Because all organisms eventually reach the point were they can no linger replicate and replace tissues and cells. Immortality is impossible for any creature as complex as a Krogan. 

. As long as the organs are kept running, ensured by organ redundancy and cellular regeneration than the organism will not die,

[Deathsaurer]

dreman9999 wrote...

 And they are not trying to uplift the Yahg, they are made pre-empteded plans in case the yahg becaome troble some.

Wut? The audio logs specifically talk about them being perfect for a covert uplift...

[dreman9999]

Steelcan wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Of course they can die of old age. Thy have about the same life expectancy as asari. 

. Nope.  Average Asari lifespan is ~1000. Okeer was 1400 and he died unnaturally

It is impossible to live indefinitely. Krogan are organic, they do die eventually. 

. Why?  They can replace deteriorated organs with back-ups or generate new ones.  As long as they don't get blown apart or die of disease I see no reason why they can't maintain this.  

Can you you repalce deteriorated brain a matter?

. Cellular regeneration

...Due to blood rage. And Clearly based on all the krogan that can be killed via head shot, that does not include brain matter.

[Steelcan]

I think I misspoke...

Krogan won't die from old age, but they can die from the affects of living to such an old age. I'd imagine cancer is rampant amount the species due to their cellular biology

[Steelcan]

dreman9999 wrote...
..Due to blood rage. And Clearly based on all the krogan that can be killed via head shot, that does not include brain matter.

. Well that's not really a natural death now is it

Modifié par Steelcan, 19 février 2013 - 04:29 .

[Eterna]

Steelcan wrote...

I think I misspoke...

Krogan won't die from old age

But they can. Cells cannot replicate indfeffinitely, this is why we die of old age. It is why everything dies of old age. I see no reason to believe that Krogan wouldbe exempt. 

[dreman9999]

Steelcan wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Because all organisms eventually reach the point were they can no linger replicate and replace tissues and cells. Immortality is impossible for any creature as complex as a Krogan. 

. As long as the organs are kept running, ensured by organ redundancy and cellular regeneration than the organism will not die,

Cellular regeneration with krogan only happens when they blood rage. And that does not include brain matter.

[Steelcan]

Eterna5 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I think I misspoke...

Krogan won't die from old age

But they can. Cells cannot replicate indfeffinitely, this is why we die of old age. It is why everything dies of old age. I see no reason to believe that Krogan wouldbe exempt. 

. Humans don't have the same level of regenerative capabilities.  

[Steelcan]

dreman9999 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Because all organisms eventually reach the point were they can no linger replicate and replace tissues and cells. Immortality is impossible for any creature as complex as a Krogan. 

. As long as the organs are kept running, ensured by organ redundancy and cellular regeneration than the organism will not die,

Cellular regeneration with krogan only happens when they blood rage. And that does not include brain matter.

  Blood rage only affects response to pain. 
In the grip of that madness, krogan become seemingly invincible, but are merely totally unresponsive to pain. "Blood-enraged" krogan fight regardless of injury level, to the extent that krogan shorn of all four limbs continue gnashing past brain death until total somatic death.

[Steelcan]

^. Quoted directly from the codex entry for Blood Rage

[dreman9999]

Steelcan wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Because all organisms eventually reach the point were they can no linger replicate and replace tissues and cells. Immortality is impossible for any creature as complex as a Krogan. 

. As long as the organs are kept running, ensured by organ redundancy and cellular regeneration than the organism will not die,

Cellular regeneration with krogan only happens when they blood rage. And that does not include brain matter.

  Blood rage only affects response to pain. 
In the grip of that madness, krogan become seemingly invincible, but are merely totally unresponsive to pain. "Blood-enraged" krogan fight regardless of injury level, to the extent that krogan shorn of all four limbs continue gnashing past brain death until total somatic death.

I've seen the krogan blood rage from ME1. THEY FULLY REGENERATE WHEN THEY BLOOD RAGE.

[dreman9999]

Steelcan wrote...

^. Quoted directly from the codex entry for Blood Rage

Link please.

[fiendishchicken]

dreman9999 wrote...
I've seen the krogan blood rage from ME1. THEY FULLY REGENERATE WHEN THEY BLOOD RAGE.

It's a gameplay mechanic genius.

They're seemingly tougher since they don't feel pain. They're no less difficult to kill if you hit them right.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 19 février 2013 - 04:40 .

[Epique Phael767]

If you supported the Dalatress, would you continue to support her if you saw the piles of unborn infants? How about the genetic degeneration of the krogans over time, caused by the value put on every living child, weak or not?

[Steelcan]

dreman9999 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

^. Quoted directly from the codex entry for Blood Rage

Link please.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Codex/Aliens:_Non-Council_Races
Krogan: Blood RageFeared throughout the galaxy as nightmarishly violent warriors, the krogan are both aided and hobbled by their legendary "blood rage".In the grip of that madness, krogan become seemingly invincible, but are merely totally unresponsive to pain. "Blood-enraged" krogan fight regardless of injury level, to the extent that krogan shorn of all four limbs continue gnashing past brain death until total somatic death.The supremely resilient, hyper-violent blood rage is the synergy of two aspects of krogan neurology. The first aspect is a positive feedback loop in which adrenalin, also activated by fear or rage, suppresses serotonin, the brain chemical that induces serenity. The second is the over-developed krogan limbic system. In krogan, as in humans, fear or rage shifts mental control from the frontal lobes, responsible for reasoning, to the limbic system, responsible for aggression and survival. During that shift, krogan and humans exhibit diminished capacity for logic and self-control.Prior to the ecological devastation of Tuchanka, blood rage was extremely rare among the krogan. Back then, while all krogan were capable of heightened anger and violence in fight-or-flight scenarios, almost none experienced insensitivity to pain. The one percent who did were those suffering serotonin-suppression. At that time, krogan society regarded the condition as pathological, and medicated or imprisoned sufferers to protect them and society.Following nuclear ecocide four millennia ago, evolution selected only those krogan afflicted with blood rage for survival. Today there is no living memory among the krogan of a life without mindless, murderous fury.

[fiendishchicken]

Epique Phael767 wrote...

If you supported the Dalatress, would you continue to support her if you saw the piles of unborn infants? How about the genetic degeneration of the krogans over time, caused by the value put on every living child, weak or not?

If it was for a strong enough reason, yes.

What if all those children of Krogan had lived, then fallen victim to their nature and banded together to create a new Krogan Empire with the purpose of forcefully taking over the galaxy?

I cure the genophage, but I hope the Krogan, for their own sake, exercise both caution and stimulate a real renaissance for their culture.

If they make one mistake:

fiendishchicken wrote...
****, you don't even need the Salarians dude, I'm sending in the Turian Fleet to orbitally bombard Tuchanka. Then I'm going to drop an asteroid on it. Then I'm going to drop an even bigger asteroid on it. Then I'm going to shoot it some more. Then I'm going to blow up their damn relay.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 19 février 2013 - 04:46 .