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[CynicalShep]

 Like that b*tch witch makes a difference. Wrex and Eve alive - cured. Wrex dead - sabotage. Wrex alive and Eve dead - depends on my mood that day. 

[Oransel]

They can always uplift yahgs to battle krogans if it would be neccessary

[CynicalShep]

Oransel wrote...

They can always uplift yahgs to battle krogans if it would be neccessary

And if those 2 decide that salarians are idiots and team up?

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

If Wrex is dead, then I would most likely agree with her, and save mordin. And then after the reaper war I would hope that they would try to find another way to disperse a cure in case the krogan truly want to change.

[dreman9999]

fiendishchicken wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I've seen the krogan blood rage from ME1. THEY FULLY REGENERATE WHEN THEY BLOOD RAGE.

It's a gameplay mechanic genius.

They're seemingly tougher since they don't feel pain. They're no less difficult to kill if you hit them right.

Garrus in ME2 directly tells you they regenerate. Wrex even makes a joke about it in ME2

[shodiswe]

Both the Krogan and Geth could become huge problems, but so could any of the other major races if they get crazy leaders and ideals. Or get desperate enough.

With Wrex and Bakara there is hope for the Krogan, I woudln't say there are any guarantees but there is hope. I don't think Grunt hurts either, having a positive view of at least some non-Krogans.

The Geth has Legion filling the same role as Wrex and Bakara. VI-Legion is the geth Wreav type of character.

No matter how much hope any of the Mass effect species has anyone of them can go insane for the sake of story or desperation, or a group of a species.

Cerberus, Heretics, Bloodpack, Saren....

[kathic]

My first playthrough Wrex was alive and I chose to cure it. If he wasn't I may have considered not curing it.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Epique Phael767 wrote...

How about the genetic degeneration of the krogans over time, caused by the value put on every living child, weak or not?

I wasn't aware that placing value on the life of every person was a bad thing.

The things you hear on BSN..

[samgurl775]

Wrex is usually dead in my game, so I often side with her.

[fiendishchicken]

dreman9999 wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I've seen the krogan blood rage from ME1. THEY FULLY REGENERATE WHEN THEY BLOOD RAGE.

It's a gameplay mechanic genius.

They're seemingly tougher since they don't feel pain. They're no less difficult to kill if you hit them right.

Garrus in ME2 directly tells you they regenerate. Wrex even makes a joke about it in ME2

It's true. They regenerate over time. But it's not going to happen in literally seconds.

It's going to take much longer periods of time.

In game, it's a gameplay mechanic to increase the difficulty of fighting Krogan. Nothing more.

[4stringwizard]

Gotta love how some people are analyzing this as if it were a real-life scenario. It's a video game, people. There's no need to over-think it.

If Wrex is alive, cure the genophage. He turns the Krogan around.

If Wreav is in charge, sabotage it. Wreav makes it clear he's going to attack once the Reaper threat is over.

Modifié par 4stringwizard, 19 février 2013 - 06:05 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

DragonIroh001 wrote...

That meeting when were first introduced to the Dalatrass, all she did was insult the Krogan and gives half hearted reasons for not curing the Genophage such as how "they ceased to be useful" and how they couldn't control their "urges".

Now if she gave valid reasons such as how they killed billions and rendered planets uninabitable before they could be stopped, their explicit and continually stated interest in getting retribution on the other races or how they were wholly unrepentant with regards to the whole Krogan Rebellions.

Would that have made you side with her or would you still gone ahead and cured the Genophage?

In front of the Krogan? Never. I was pro-Krogan all the way. I was even pro-Krogan getting revenge in the meetings. In conversations with Wreav I was totally pro-Krogan. I got to know Eve. I'd destroyed Maelon's cure in ME2. In the private meeting with the Dalatrass, I was non-committal and she warned me and told me to think about her offer.

Mordin went to work on the Crucible. So I supported the Dalatrass in the end.

[StarcloudSWG]

 I would have gone with the Dalatrass if a> Wrex died on Virmire and b> I didn't save Maelon's data. Without Wrex and Eve as stabilizing forces, there would be no reason to disbelive the Dalatrass' point that the Krogan are a threat in the long run.

[Necrotya]

No, with Wrex and Eve, Krogan future looked bright ( in case of Wreav in charge...hmmmm idk )

[LTKerr]

No. In my playthroughs Wrex is alive. I trust him so... sorry, Dalatrass.

[Bill Casey]

Oransel wrote...

They can always uplift yahgs to battle krogans if it would be neccessary

The Yahg have already been approved for covert uplift...

[Oransel]

CynicalShep wrote...

Oransel wrote...

They can always uplift yahgs to battle krogans if it would be neccessary

And if those 2 decide that salarians are idiots and team up?

Both have no fleet and turians will make sure it stays that way.

[avenging_teabag]

I side with the Dalatrass always - the Krogan are a galactic mad dog, and them being kept on a tight leash is better for everyone, Krogan included. No matter the reasons the Dalatrass gives, Shepard has his own reasons to keep the genophage in place, no matter his personal relationship with any particular Krogan.

As for Mordin, meh... Kirrahe is the better character anyway, if for the sole reason of being consistent.

[avenging_teabag]

MrFob wrote...

What I don't get about the whole genophage story (and maybe I am missing something since I haven't played the game in a while) is the following:
In ME2, Mordin makes it very clear that the genophage does not render the Krogan extinct, despite them thinking so. It reduces their rate fo reproduction to prevent a population explosion after their environment has changed due to technological advances and integration into the galactic community. Right? That's what he says in ME2 and that's why we had so many discussions about Mordin's loyalty mission after ME2 came out.
So why the hell does he (or his replacement) suddenly see the need to create a "cure" now? I thought everything was fine from Mordin's perspective. Is there a reason given for why in ME3 this is suddenly a "live or die" issue for the Krogan again?

BECAUSE BABIES

And poor writing. Poor writing everywhere - people are touting Tuchanka as the best part of ME3 - and it is - but it, in fact, involves, and hinges on, a complete character assassination of Mordin, one of the best, i dare say NPCs in all the Mass Effect series. Mordin, without warning or any particular reason, does a complete about face on everything he stood for in the 2nd game. In ME2 he made it pretty clear that he was aware of ethical implications of the genophage solution, 
struggled with them,
but was willing to accept them for the good of the many.

Now, in ME3, suddenly, BABIES

Poor writing.

[Kataphrut94]

Regarding the genophage and extinction, the genophage does not cause the krogan to go extinct on its own. However, thanks to the war and the krogan throwing themselves into battle believing they have been cured, it's all but guaranteed that they won't be able to recuperate their losses. Wrex already talked about the slow extinction of the krogan as a result of their warrior culture in ME1, how's that going to cope against something like the Reapers?

As for the dalatrass, she does make good points if you have Wreav (or rather, the same points in a different light). The issue is that she's a hateful jerk.

[Galbrant]

If the Krogan decides to go Martial Law on the rest of the galaxy again... Well we got the Geth and Rachni to handle them. Not to mention they need ships to launch a war against the Council they don't have even have the ships to support their current population, As long the Krogan decides to adopt birthing Laws like the Salarians and Quarians, they should be placated. The Krogan deserve to have a family. I don't want them to go through a thousand stillborns just to have one child. I've seen people go crazy because their baby was stillborn. I can't imagining them going through thousands of them.

[nos_astra]

Kataphrut94 wrote...
Regarding the genophage and extinction, the genophage does not cause the krogan to go extinct on its own. However, thanks to the war and the krogan throwing themselves into battle believing they have been cured, it's all but guaranteed that they won't be able to recuperate their losses. Wrex already talked about the slow extinction of the krogan as a result of their warrior culture in ME1, how's that going to cope against something like the Reapers?

How are the other species going to cope?

How do you justify the stance "we totally need to ensure the krogan will survive even if it may cause other species to go extinct as a result"? What makes the krogan especially special that their surivival is paramount?

[dreman9999]

avenging_teabag wrote...

MrFob wrote...

What I don't get about the whole genophage story (and maybe I am missing something since I haven't played the game in a while) is the following:
In ME2, Mordin makes it very clear that the genophage does not render the Krogan extinct, despite them thinking so. It reduces their rate fo reproduction to prevent a population explosion after their environment has changed due to technological advances and integration into the galactic community. Right? That's what he says in ME2 and that's why we had so many discussions about Mordin's loyalty mission after ME2 came out.
So why the hell does he (or his replacement) suddenly see the need to create a "cure" now? I thought everything was fine from Mordin's perspective. Is there a reason given for why in ME3 this is suddenly a "live or die" issue for the Krogan again?

BECAUSE BABIES

And poor writing. Poor writing everywhere - people are touting Tuchanka as the best part of ME3 - and it is - but it, in fact, involves, and hinges on, a complete character assassination of Mordin, one of the best, i dare say NPCs in all the Mass Effect series. Mordin, without warning or any particular reason, does a complete about face on everything he stood for in the 2nd game. In ME2 he made it pretty clear that he was aware of ethical implications of the genophage solution, 
struggled with them,
but was willing to accept them for the good of the many.

Now, in ME3, suddenly, BABIES

Poor writing.

Wrong.
1. We don't knowhowlong the war will last and with the krogan rapid growth from birth, they can quickly replenish our groud troops.

2. Mordin was alway made as a character who became upset when he sees the worst of his work. EVE and her sister were just that.

3. Wink was alway like that.

There is no poor writing here.