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[CynicalShep]

Asari Commadoes are ten times better than Salarian spectres

[Yate]

Eh, they were fairly difficult for ME1 enemies. Not on par with krogan, but tougher than your average merc or geth squad.

[BioWareM0d13]

I don't understand why people think the Asari are 'weak.'

In ME3 the Asari military actually puts up a much stiffer fight than the Alliance did.

[humes spork]

Let's not mistake tedium for difficulty here, folks. ME1 insanity was tedious, not difficult, being about stacking modifiers and shooting enemies until they presumably just keeled over from old age and not actual weapons fire. Except the rocket drones. Screw those things.

That said, the commando fight on Noveria was annoying, just for the fact enemy throw threw your aim way off.

[Reofeir]

Comparing anything to Shepard is probably a bad idea for a good comparison when it's quite obvious that Shepard is one of the best space marines out there. From what I understand Asari are VERY powerful in terms of spec op like missions, as they don't rely on technology as much but instead their skill of biotics. They would have a better performance then any other race in this regard.

Also you have to consider the fact that they are also just part of spectrum for Biotic abilities. For instance:
Humans tend to be odd, as they tend to be a general all-round type people and this gives them a surprising edge.
Turians are the best soldiers and military strategists (or at least recognized as such).
Salarians and the best reconnaissance agents and technology experts.
Krogans are the best foot soldiers.
Asari are, in fact, the best Biotics and we all know how powerful those are.

So, to say, they are not the most useless in any means.

[Vubica]

Tron Mega wrote...

aria, wasae, and shiala???? i squashed wasae easily. aria, ive only seen her talk. shiala is no scarier then shaira. benezia was toast with bastion stasis, holla.

the only asari ive ever been afraid of is the asari from LotSB. she was a pain to take down. bioware sying "ME3 will be more like LotSB." was all i needed to hear. unfortunately, blah blah blah.

but no asari commando can compare to any krogan battlemaster from ME1. the only thing scarier are protariuns showing up in a room with nothing to circle strafe around.

Yeah i had a brain freeze i tought wasea2394723(stupid alien names) was the 1 from LOTSB, but i disagrre on ur first playtrough clearing up to and beating shiala with a combat team was hard, but ye the ME1 Krogan win hands down

[hadrain77]

Too many contollers would be broken if they gave Asari or enemies in general better AIs is my quess.

[AlexMBrennan]

I mean "have you ever faced an asari commando unit before? Few humans ever have..." and then u boom get into a 30 second fight with them on noveria(ME1) u win

That is probably the hardest fight in the game (that is, the fight I would most recommend to make a save prior - avoiding biotic environmental kills is a matter of blind luck)

At the end of the day, commandos serve a role, and there are plenty of situations where you are better off sending in the tanks... too bad that the asari failed to plan for that eventuality.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 20 février 2013 - 11:18 .

[Kenshen]

I found noveria to be hit or miss. Not sure what power they use, which doesn't seem to be all that often, but when it would hit me it was game over. Kinda acted like singularity but whatever it was I would lose total control my shep and just watch her float around while everything in that room was firing at me. Sometimes I would just float off the map.

They may not be all that much in the games but really in RL I would be totally scared of a biotic user and assari are known to be the best and most powerful.

[Artifex_Imperius]

i would disagree, Even in the codex the turians praise the asari commando's as the finest warriors.
In the scale of baddest mother f*kr in the galaxy. the asari commandos are right up there second only to the rare krogan biotic aka "krogan battlemaster". note that even average asari can stand toe to toe against cerberus phantoms.
even reapers have difficulty harvesting and collecting the asari. codex states that during the reaper invasion of asari homeworlds reaper forces have to resort to a war of attrition to harvest the asari since ground forces prove ineffective against a race of biotics. compared to what happened to earth humans were quickly and easily harvested.

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 21 février 2013 - 12:46 .

[Konfined]

CynicalShep wrote...

Asari Commadoes are ten times better than Salarian spectres

But don't stand a chance against Hanar Spectres.  If Blasto had elected to cut his vacation short, the Reaper war would have ended far sooner.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Special Intervention Unit.

The elite force so useless, that we never even see them on screen or mentioned in game. Only in codex entries about the blue suns and their shotgun description.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 21 février 2013 - 01:02 .

[Kel Riever]

I don't blame AI failure for lore. If that were the case, all they need to do is make a patch where NPC stasis does exactly what you do with it in ME1 as a player and you would SHUT YO MOUF. But then you wouldn't want to play because Asari were too tough, right?

[Indy_S]

BioWare needs more instances of showing not telling. It creates a more believable setting.

[Baldrick67]

Han Shot First wrote...

I don't understand why people think the Asari are 'weak.'

In ME3 the Asari military actually puts up a much stiffer fight than the Alliance did.

The bulk of reaper forces where on earth kicking the crap outta humanity, the Asari had less to deal with and had more time to build up defenses as they knew the reapers where coming.

[Barquiel]

That's a gameplay thing. We rarely see biotic enemies using their class powers (Vasir used charge, that's all). That's why biotics are often not much of a threat. Just imagine if eclipse mercs would use singularities, stasis or would throw you from that bridge during Thane's recruitement mission.

Lore-wise, they are everything but useless. According to the codex, the asari fought much better against the reapers than every other race except maybe the turians (and even they could only slow the reapers down a bit on Palavan when they used the krogan as cannon fodder).

Modifié par Barquiel, 21 février 2013 - 08:44 .

[CynicalShep]

Konfined wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

Asari Commadoes are ten times better than Salarian spectres

But don't stand a chance against Hanar Spectres.  If Blasto had elected to cut his vacation short, the Reaper war would have ended far sooner.

Blasto is a BAMF. Reapers waited in dark space for him to go on vacation and then struck, hoping to finish as fast as they could before he comes back. In fact, they hurried so much that they forgot to turn off the relays and reap like they usually do.

[Restrider]

Two words:
Tela Vasir
/thread

Seriously though. Tela Vasir is heavily wounded and still is one of the toughest bosses in the entire trilogy. I don't want to see her at her fullest potential.

[Indy_S]

Restrider wrote...

Two words:
Tela Vasir
/thread

Seriously though. Tela Vasir is heavily wounded and still is one of the toughest bosses in the entire trilogy. I don't want to see her at her fullest potential.

She's a Spectre by the time we fight her. Every commando we see sucks.

[Wulfram]

Everyone spends their time getting trounced until Shepard shows up, or getting trounced by Shepard.

The Salarian STG getting trounced by Cerberus is probably more embarrassing than anything that happened to the Asari. Then there's the Turians with Victus. And lets not mention the First Contact War, when the Turians got their rears handed to them by people who hadn't even seen modern weaponry until a decade ago.

[Restrider]

Indy_S wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Two words:
Tela Vasir
/thread

Seriously though. Tela Vasir is heavily wounded and still is one of the toughest bosses in the entire trilogy. I don't want to see her at her fullest potential.

She's a Spectre by the time we fight her. Every commando we see sucks.

So?
What do you think was she before becoming a Spectre? A Justicar -- obviously not due to her ... moral flexibility.
What other notable groups of Asari ground forces are there?

[Indy_S]

Restrider wrote...

So?
What do you think was she before becoming a Spectre? A Justicar -- obviously not due to her ... moral flexibility.
What other notable groups of Asari ground forces are there?

Reflective association. She is not an example of a competent or dangerous commando.

[gisle]

Game balance is the limitation here, not lore.

The inasnity difficulty is a joke compared to what an actual representaiton of all enemies' power would be. It would also render the squad choice in ME2 unneccesary, because Samara could throw mercs about while Jack tears YMIRs/Gunships a new one.

Indy_S wrote...

BioWare needs more instances of showing not telling. It creates a more believable setting.

Your Shepard would be dead within seconds in the Noveria boss fight if they did that. The commandoes would take care of Shep's shields and the matriarch's warp field would shred Shepard no problem.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 21 février 2013 - 12:19 .

[schebobo]

I'm curious as to why there is so much asari hate in the sp forums nowadays.

[Vubica]

schebobo wrote...

I'm curious as to why there is so much asari hate in the sp forums nowadays.

TBH i always hated them, they are cramed down our throath troughout the series as both sexy, intelligent, peace loving and right most of the time, i found them to be snotty, hypocritical and down right annoying.

The few Asari I did like i found str8 out awesome Mainly Shiala and Samara, and they are to date IMO, some of the best characters in the series , but generally they are un interesting, bleak and try to sell on space bi sexuallity