Don't get me wrong. The forum's changed my mind a bit; I think balance is important. Without it, the game would become four characters using the exact same build and loadout. Without it, many characters and weapons would become a novelty, a means of players absolutely gimping themselves relative to some optimal choice.
The multiplayer has had this problem a few times in the past (mainly thinking of the Krysae), but I don't think we're even close to that state right now. I almost never see the same loadout twice in a lobby outside of speedrun attempts and Platinum matches, and honestly, I don't give a **** about Platinum for the purposes of balance since balancing around it would make all lower difficulties ridiculously imbalanced.
Meanwhile, I don't ever feel gimped using a Wraith, Claymore, Talon, CSMG, etc.. I can be effective with non-infiltrators (actually not that good with them, truthfully). The game is imbalanced, but it's not so imbalanced that thee's one single kit that makes all other possibilities so comparatively weak as to be pointless. They've actually done a good job of bringing things in line in terms of stuff being OP.
tl;dr: The typical reasons for 'balance' no longer are a big feature outside of Platinum. Why are people still asking for nerfs when none of the OP weapons actually present the kinds of problems that balance is supposed to address?
Why exactly do people still want nerfs?
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:03
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They have nothing else to complain about.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:04
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saints 944 wrote...
They have nothing else to complain about.
What else are we going to talk about if we don't go around complaining about harriers and reegars.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:04
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Because trolling is a way of life for some players.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:04
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My sig says it all from Bryan Johnson! No reason for kids ever to complain again
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:05
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logic on bsn, we have dismissed that claim...
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:06
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Go for broke. Politicalize this thread.RaptorSolutions wrote...
saints 944 wrote...
They have nothing else to complain about.
What else are we going to talk about if we don't go around complaining about harriers and reegars.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:06
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hmm maybe geth rocket troopers,
but I think it's fine as it is.
but I think it's fine as it is.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:07
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Because people dont like being outscored when playing on their crappy builds.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:08
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JLoco11 wrote...
My sig says it all from Bryan Johnson! No reason for kids ever to complain again
Quoting out of context needs to be nerfed and banned.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:09
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The only nerf needed is on the accuracy, range and frequency of Possessed Scion grenade packages.
Oh, and adding some noise to make Geth Bombers a little less stealthy would be nice.
Oh, and adding some noise to make Geth Bombers a little less stealthy would be nice.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:12
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That's absolute bull****. Most of the balance cries comes from the best players, not the worst.xandax86 wrote...
Because people dont like being outscored when playing on their crappy builds.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:15
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BECAUSE THEY HAVE LEET SKILLZ AND HATE SCRUBS WHO CHEAT BY PLAYING IN A DIFFERENT WAY
IF YOU'RE NOT USING THE AVENGER ON THE VOLUS MERC TO SOLO PLATINUM YOU'RE A NEWB AND NEED TO L2P
IF YOU'RE NOT USING THE AVENGER ON THE VOLUS MERC TO SOLO PLATINUM YOU'RE A NEWB AND NEED TO L2P
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:17
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All the newbs with slingshot can cry all they want when i outscored them with carefully used tactical nukes
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:19
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BjornDaDwarf wrote...
JLoco11 wrote...
My sig says it all from Bryan Johnson! No reason for kids ever to complain again
Quoting out of context needs to be nerfed and banned.
Considering that has been the 12 month logic against nerfs, that sentence will always be in context.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:19
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Zero132132 wrote...
That's absolute bull****. Most of the balance cries comes from the best players, not the worst.xandax86 wrote...
Because people dont like being outscored when playing on their crappy builds.
Most do come from good players. Some have come from bad players. Some have also come from newer players that don't have the better weapons yet.
Modifié par Enhanced, 19 février 2013 - 04:19 .
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:21
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Zero132132 wrote...
That's absolute bull****. Most of the balance cries comes from the best players, not the worst.xandax86 wrote...
Because people dont like being outscored when playing on their crappy builds.
You dont need to be a bad player in order to have crappy builds.
Modifié par xandax86, 19 février 2013 - 04:24 .
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:23
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You are right in that some of the most egregiously unbalanced times are behind us.
There are a couple things that could be taken down a peg, but it isn't likely to happen. Nor do I think they get commonly abused, which is more important as far as BW is concerned.
There are a couple things that could be taken down a peg, but it isn't likely to happen. Nor do I think they get commonly abused, which is more important as far as BW is concerned.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:36
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capn233 wrote...
Don't watch it.thewalrusx wrote...
watch this
Why not? EC practically created the term First Order Optimal Strategy, and since then its used absolutely EVERYWHERE, both in the community members who take design seriously and in the developers. James Portnow knows what the hell he's talking about; if anyone ever wanted to get into game design theory, Extra Credits is the best place to start.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:42
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Personally, I think people that call for nerfs fall into 2 types. The first type are the hatefuls. They just want to be mean and ruin/destroy everything along their path in life. The second type are the can't do's. The can't do's are unable to play whatever they are calling to have nerfed to it's full potential or just don't like playing it. In both cases, they are negative people and often like to argue for arguements sake.
Admittedly, there are times when something so outclasses everything else that it needs to be nerfed. I usually identify those instances by a) is the item/class used by a much higher rate than should be expected, and
if everything else was raised to the same level of effectivness would the game be utterly easy/broken.
Developers prejudices always show in gameplay. There will always be balance issues because comparisons are often qualitative (perception) rather than quantative (a =. However, the positive gamer asks for weaknesses (such as the QFE) to be buffed, rather than the strong (such as the GI) to be nerfed.
Admittedly, there are times when something so outclasses everything else that it needs to be nerfed. I usually identify those instances by a) is the item/class used by a much higher rate than should be expected, and
if everything else was raised to the same level of effectivness would the game be utterly easy/broken.Developers prejudices always show in gameplay. There will always be balance issues because comparisons are often qualitative (perception) rather than quantative (a =
. However, the positive gamer asks for weaknesses (such as the QFE) to be buffed, rather than the strong (such as the GI) to be nerfed.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:44
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EC is always worth watching, even if, as a non-english speaker, I have sometimes some trouble understanding the guy's verbal flowApl_J wrote...
capn233 wrote...
Don't watch it.thewalrusx wrote...
watch this
Why not? EC practically created the term First Order Optimal Strategy, and since then its used absolutely EVERYWHERE, both in the community members who take design seriously and in the developers. James Portnow knows what the hell he's talking about; if anyone ever wanted to get into game design theory, Extra Credits is the best place to start.
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Posté 19 février 2013 - 04:47
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People ask for nerfs because they see crazy videos from top players who have everything at 10 with max consumables and whatnot and are jealous their manifests is not complete.
