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[Arkman279]

Killahead wrote...

At least the old straw man "they got outscored" is still alive and kicking. Sigh.

old straw man?

[january42]

People ask for nerfs when someone using a playstyle they don't are outscoring them.

That's all there is to it. I use all the weapons and classes and there arn't any OP ones anymore.  Bunch of crappy ones, but all the op ones have been fixed at this point.

[jaydubs67]

Arkman279 wrote...

Killahead wrote...

At least the old straw man "they got outscored" is still alive and kicking. Sigh.

old straw man?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man  

You'll also find a lot of ad hominem in this thread.  

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Ad_hominem  

[Arkman279]

jaydubs67 wrote...

Arkman279 wrote...

Killahead wrote...

At least the old straw man "they got outscored" is still alive and kicking. Sigh.

old straw man?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man  

You'll also find a lot of ad hominem in this thread.  

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Ad_hominem  

yep I agree 

Modifié par Arkman279, 20 février 2013 - 03:00 .

[Arkman279]

jaydubs67 wrote...

Arkman279 wrote...

Killahead wrote...

At least the old straw man "they got outscored" is still alive and kicking. Sigh.

old straw man?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man  

You'll also find a lot of ad hominem in this thread.  

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Ad_hominem  

and also thanks for clearing that up I had never heard the term

[jaydubs67]

No problem. Those are fairly easy logical fallacies to get involved with unless you make a conscious effort to avoid them.

[CitizenThom]

People want nerfs because they have tiny genatalia.

True story.

[Arkman279]

jaydubs67 wrote...

No problem. Those are fairly easy logical fallacies to get involved with unless you make a conscious effort to avoid them.

also nice work on the platinum video you put up I actually watched it earlier today just realized it was you great work

[Arkman279]

CitizenThom wrote...

People want nerfs because they have tiny genatalia.

True story.

speaking of ad hominem

[CitizenThom]

Arkman279 wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

People want nerfs because they have tiny genatalia.

True story.

speaking of ad hominem

Not so much. I'm not name calling.

[LorelynF]

saints 944 wrote...

They have nothing else to complain about.

[Arkman279]

CitizenThom wrote...

Arkman279 wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

People want nerfs because they have tiny genatalia.

True story.

speaking of ad hominem

Not so much. I'm not name calling.

i was just kidding man your good I actually thought your post was funny

[GreatBlueHeron]

Because calling for nerfs is a hobby.

Hope dlc comes out soon...that'll cut down on the nerf threads a bit (for a short time).

[Titus Thongger]

buff this. nerf that. whine here. whine there.

have some cheese with that.

the cycle must continue. it is not a thing you can comprehend.

I know this hurts you. If I must nerf you apart BSN, I will.

I should go

[CitizenThom]

Arkman279 wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

Arkman279 wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

People want nerfs because they have tiny genatalia.

True story.

speaking of ad hominem

Not so much. I'm not name calling.

i was just kidding man your good I actually thought your post was funny

Good to hear, I meant it to be taken as a joke.

[Kalas Magnus]

LorelynF wrote...

saints 944 wrote...

They have nothing else to complain about.

this might be it

[Arkman279]

Kalas321 wrote...

LorelynF wrote...

saints 944 wrote...

They have nothing else to complain about.

this might be it

yeah I agree 

[Killahead]

Arkman279 wrote...

Kalas321 wrote...

LorelynF wrote...

saints 944 wrote...

They have nothing else to complain about.

this might be it

yeah I agree 

Nah, the latest ones are simply examples of non sequitur and argument by laziness, don't be fooled.

[sandboxgod]

 Most nerf-callers fall into these categories:
- They have a maxed manifest. They do not want rare weapons to be as powerful as their Ultra rare guns

- They were indeed outscored by a build they feel any noob can master. Their usual, tired argument is "I always see Reegar, Harrier, TGI, Kroguard, blah blah".

I usually just ignore their complaints and move on with my day. No one is going to tell me how to play. If I feel like using a TGI+Harrier I will use it. They did not buy my copy of ME3. I did and I will play how I want 

[TODD 5184]

Because the Avenger is waaaay too powerful.

On a serious note, people have nothing better to do. Reegar has crap range, Harrier a crappy small clip, but a ton of weapons out there could use a little tweaking.

[vonSlash]

It's amazing that how, in the last two pages, we've gone from reasonable and rational arguments in favor of game balance back to the old tried-and-true "nerfers are just jealous!!" argument that we've been seeing (and disproving) for months.

I suspect that this argument stems from a fundamental difference in mindset between people who want a fair game where all options are viable and skill is the sole determinant of efficiency (the nerfers) and people who simply want to have fun effortlessly crushing their enemies with their favorite setups, but I'm not arrogant enough to present my theory as irrefutable fact...

...unlike some people.

[Arkman279]

Killahead wrote...

Arkman279 wrote...

Kalas321 wrote...

LorelynF wrote...

saints 944 wrote...

They have nothing else to complain about.

this might be it

yeah I agree 

Nah, the latest ones are simply examples of non sequitur and argument by laziness, don't be fooled.

sorry bro I've moved on I'm over it. You win nerf it have a nice day.

[Zero132132]

DSxCallOfBooty- wrote...

 Because the game still isn't perfectly balanced.  I see no reason to stop suggesting improvements to the game.

Even if classes are only minorly underpowered in respect to others, wouldn't it be preferable if all of them were equally balanced?  If nerfs are required to do this, then so be it.

Granted, I'm more interested in buffs in the majority of cases, there are very few things that I would consider nerf-worthy, and the Reegar and Harrier aren't even among these.  (well, the Reegar could stand a very slight weakening, but not much)

The main problem becomes what exactly you mean by perfectly balanced. Because of the way they've designed the game, you can't have something be simultaneously perfectly balanced around bronze, silver, gold, and platinum. Enemy composition is just too different between the difficulties. In the next game, maybe they can tweak difficulties in different ways so that every class can be balanced for every difficulty, but right now, you realistically have to balance towards a specific difficulty. Truthfully, I think Silver and Gold are similar enough that what's effective on one is effective on the other, and I think the game is pretty well balanced on Silver, relatively balanced when it comes to Gold, and is ridiculously imbalanced when it comes to Platinum.

We have to use one difficulty as the standard, and it probably shouldn't be the one that the fewest people play.

[vonSlash]

Zero132132 wrote...

DSxCallOfBooty- wrote...

 Because the game still isn't perfectly balanced.  I see no reason to stop suggesting improvements to the game.

Even if classes are only minorly underpowered in respect to others, wouldn't it be preferable if all of them were equally balanced?  If nerfs are required to do this, then so be it.

Granted, I'm more interested in buffs in the majority of cases, there are very few things that I would consider nerf-worthy, and the Reegar and Harrier aren't even among these.  (well, the Reegar could stand a very slight weakening, but not much)

The main problem becomes what exactly you mean by perfectly balanced. Because of the way they've designed the game, you can't have something be simultaneously perfectly balanced around bronze, silver, gold, and platinum. Enemy composition is just too different between the difficulties. In the next game, maybe they can tweak difficulties in different ways so that every class can be balanced for every difficulty, but right now, you realistically have to balance towards a specific difficulty. Truthfully, I think Silver and Gold are similar enough that what's effective on one is effective on the other, and I think the game is pretty well balanced on Silver, relatively balanced when it comes to Gold, and is ridiculously imbalanced when it comes to Platinum.

We have to use one difficulty as the standard, and it probably shouldn't be the one that the fewest people play.

BIoware seems to prefer Silver, as most people play there, but the community seems to prefer Gold as the standard because it's the difficulty with the best mix of challenge and variety.

[Arkman279]

Ok well I apologize if I upset anyone earlier. In my opinion if things are happening in game you do not like or think are unfair you can solve this by creating your own lobby and inviting only people you know that wont do the things you dislike or think are unfair. I mean when your on unknown public you can't control what people will do.