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[Blehx26]

For the most part I still think the endings suck even with the EC, but come to these forums in the faint hope that BioWare will add to the endings (since they won't consider changing them, or releasing an "optional" ending DLC) that will result in a more satisfying ending in my opinion. With the exception of visiting BSN for info gathering, I have left ME behind.

Am I hurt? Nope. My faith in BioWare's product quality has lowered tremendously and I won't blindly take a chance on one of their products in the future. They are a business, I'm a consumer, and they have to earn my patronage with known quality going forward.

[Iakus]

Archonsg wrote...
Also, there are those fans who screamed bloody murder but as soon as the next hype train starts, throw their money at EA/Bioware expecting things that Bioware never said then start screaming again are at fault too. 

If you aren't happy with a company's product, you should fracking stop buying till you know you'd be happy with any sold to you, but noooooo, the moment the hype train starts, they loose control and are free with their wallets and credit cards.
Morons.

Bioware isn't a friend.
It's a business.
As long as you keep buying crap, they will continue to sell you crap.
I blame those without the sense of a baby duck when it comes to being a smart consumer for the **** we get from gaming companies.

Don't worry 

You no longer have to worry about my hype train

[FlamingBoy]

argumentum ad populum

It does not really matter if the majority or the minority is hurt buy biowares bull,  all that matters that there are people who are hurt

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 20 février 2013 - 05:06 .

[XXIceColdXX]

Still disapointed with Bioware's lack of attention to detail regarding the lore, and the ending.

[Jadebaby]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I am still upset.

[Archonsg]

iakus wrote...

Archonsg wrote...
Also, there are those fans who screamed bloody murder but as soon as the next hype train starts, throw their money at EA/Bioware expecting things that Bioware never said then start screaming again are at fault too. 

If you aren't happy with a company's product, you should fracking stop buying till you know you'd be happy with any sold to you, but noooooo, the moment the hype train starts, they loose control and are free with their wallets and credit cards.
Morons.

Bioware isn't a friend.
It's a business.
As long as you keep buying crap, they will continue to sell you crap.
I blame those without the sense of a baby duck when it comes to being a smart consumer for the **** we get from gaming companies.

Don't worry 

You no longer have to worry about my hype train

Oh, *I* am not worried.
Just pointing out how odd it is for one to expect "good quality"
products but even when both experience and past products disappoint still proceed to buy these substandard products.

Because as long as customers keep buying, then obviously, there's nothing wrong with the aforementioned products, right?

It is bad enough when hype is created officially by a company's PR firm, it is far worse when unthinking fans create their own hype based on nothing substantial nor firm information and thus" fool" themselves into believing a product to have content that it doesn't have.

Just saying.

[Astralify]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Yes, it still affects me that the last title of my favorite series turned out to be meh. Not only the ending, but the whole game.

This. ^

And yes, I am still upset.

[SiriusXI]

Hm as far as I see it, the percentage of people liking the ending has increased, since a lot of the disappointed people have decided to move on after leviathan and omega doing nothing at all to really change the ending.

Most people still hate the endings or simply do not care about mass effect at all anymore.
Most independant critics still bash the endings.
Not so many people honestly love the endings.

I have come to accept that one of my favourite fictional universes has been reuced to obscurity. My love for it and its characters died. Eventually I might play the trilogy again and look back at these games with a smile. But as for now, I just don't care anymore.

I started another ME1 playthrough, but couldn't bring myself to continue affter noveria. I saved the Rachni Queen, but so what? Does my decision matter in any way? I could have just killed her and it would have nearly the same effect. Not knowing ME3, I had spent hours thinking about that decision. Is it right to save her? I do not want to be responsible for another war, but I do not want to eradicate an entire species. But now... this decision is not meaningful anymore.

The more I think and write about it, the more I get worked up again. Mass Effect really meant something to me, the way my favorite movie means something to me. These pieces of media, music, movies, games, become part of our identity: "Hi, I'm SiriusXI, I like pizza, Lord of the Rings, Celldweller, play guitar, and oh yes, I love games and especially Mass Effect."

By ruining Mass Effect, they damaged part of my identity. I guess this is how Star Wars fans feel about the prequals. I Like Star Wars but I'm no real fan, so I didn't understand all the outcry. Yes the prequals were bad, but so what? NO! If Star Wars is part of your identity, then the prequals hurt you. If Mass Effect is part of your identity, then the ending to ME3 hurts you on a deep personal level.

Modifié par SiriusXI, 20 février 2013 - 05:45 .

[Ninja Stan]

Some were mollified by the EC, some have discovered over time that they don't hate the ending as much as they used to, some changed their minds about despising the ending after the brouhaha calmed down, and some have resigned themselves to it. Yes, there are still those who are still passionate about the endings, but as long as they can discuss their feelings and opinions within the scope of the Site Rules, it's fine.

I disagree with SiriusXI about games and other media being part of our identity, though. Very few people would be described as "the guy who liked the Mass Effect franchise" or "the girl who hated the ME3 ending." The media you consume does not define you as a person, any more than the brand of food you eat does or how many pens you own. Of course, exceptions can be made for "the guy who liked the ME franchise so much he wore Shepard armour to school" or "the girl who wrote that song about hating the ME3 ending," but that's more about what you do than what you do or do not like.

Sure, you might feel like you've been physically hurt by a game you don't like, and yes, it's cool to be able to feel so strongly about a world, setting, franchise, story, whatever, but ultimately, it's fiction and it's a product that you have complete control over consuming. Love it, hate it, like only parts of it, play 1 and 3, play all the way up to the ending, skip all dialogue, speak along to all the dialogue, it doesn't matter how you choose to like (or not like) the product. You have complete control over how you use it, and you have complete control over whether you buy the next one. It doesn't (shouldn't) be the thing that defines you.

[jancz89]

I lost faith in Mass effect franchise and it'll be tough to come back to it, if it wasn't for ME1 and Marauder shields comic, I'd lost interest entirely

[xAmilli0n]

I've been over it sine before the EC. But I guess I just don't have time to be upset at a video game series I very much enjoyed. I took what I was given, made the ending work for me, and I moved on.

[humes spork]

Archonsg wrote...

...Just saying.

Precisely.

I found quite literally nothing appealing about Modern Warfare 2. I couldn't name one redeeming aspect about that game if someone put a gun to my head. I can't even say it has innovation of any form, whether I personally liked it or not. I found it, for its time, to be the single most cynical and intelligence-insulting blatant cash-in, in gaming history to only be supplanted by later CoD games. To me, it was the single biggest disappointment in gaming since Final Fantasy 8 and its self-indulgent, backwards, and utter cliche presentation, namely because I loved the hell out of earlier CoD installments, including MW1.

In fact, the only redeeming quality of the entire series after MW2 I can name is WaW's treatment of the Pacific front, for the brutal, unhuman, war crime-rife, meat grinder hellhole it was.

Know what I do vis-a-vis CoD games? I don't buy them, I don't rent them, and I don't play them. I'm not wasting my time consuming or discussing media I don't like. I'm an active, critical, and conscientious consumer of media; if ME3 had so thoroughly turned me off its respective franchise as MW2 had, I wouldn't be posting here, and it absolutely boggles my mind as to why, if people have been turned off ME as I have CoD, continue to waste their time and money with it. At that point, people have only themselves to blame.

[Ghaleon]

Hurt? no disappointed in biofail greatly, and won't be buying Mass Effect 4 most likely.

[Indy_S]

humes spork wrote...

Know what I do vis-a-vis CoD games? I don't buy them, I don't rent them, and I don't play them. I'm not wasting my time consuming or discussing media I don't like. I'm an active, critical, and conscientious consumer of media; if ME3 had so thoroughly turned me off its respective franchise as MW2 had, I wouldn't be posting here, and it absolutely boggles my mind as to why, if people have been turned off ME as I have CoD, continue to waste their time and money with it. At that point, people have only themselves to blame.

Perhaps the answer is that they haven't been turned off it in the same way? You say you found nothing redeeming in CoD. What if a person found something redeeming in ME but it still turned them off?

[humes spork]

Indy_S wrote...

Perhaps the answer is that they haven't been turned off it in the same way? You say you found nothing redeeming in CoD. What if a person found something redeeming in ME but it still turned them off?

Then it would perhaps behoove them to act like it, rather than lash out while marginalizing whatever positive/redeeming aspects they found.

Modifié par humes spork, 20 février 2013 - 07:38 .

[Reth Shepherd]

humes spork wrote...

Know what I do vis-a-vis CoD games? I don't buy them, I don't rent them, and I don't play them. I'm not wasting my time consuming or discussing media I don't like. I'm an active, critical, and conscientious consumer of media; if ME3 had so thoroughly turned me off its respective franchise as MW2 had, I wouldn't be posting here, and it absolutely boggles my mind as to why, if people have been turned off ME as I have CoD, continue to waste their time and money with it. At that point, people have only themselves to blame.

Easy. Because there aren't that many quality games out there, and seeing a beloved series descend into yet another stinking pile of **** hurts. I would rather fight to save a series I loved, than stand back and watch in apathy as it dies. Though it seems that fight was ultimately for nothing. Congratulations, EA. I hope you're happy. *bitter*

Modifié par Reth Shepherd, 20 février 2013 - 07:38 .

[Indy_S]

humes spork wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

Perhaps the answer is that they haven't been turned off it in the same way? You say you found nothing redeeming in CoD. What if a person found something redeeming in ME but it still turned them off?

Then it would perhaps behoove them to act like it, rather than lash out while marginalizing whatever positive/redeeming aspects they found.

They should act like what? Like the redeeming features are significant? Most people on here have kept the balance between perceived positive and perceived negative in check.

[Reth Shepherd]

humes spork wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

Perhaps the answer is that they haven't been turned off it in the same way? You say you found nothing redeeming in CoD. What if a person found something redeeming in ME but it still turned them off?

Then it would perhaps behoove them to act like it, rather than lash out while marginalizing whatever positive/redeeming aspects they found.

If you got food poisoning from the dessert at a restaurant, and the restaurant kept trying to insist that the fault was yours, refused to change anything, and refused to do anything to make up for it; are you going to have a balanced chat about the good and bad aspects of the meal, or are you going to focus on the salmonella in your parfait? Particularly if they keep trying to get you back as a customer? I might come back, but I want them to shut up about my weak stomach and instead bloody well focus on cleaning up their kitchen!

[Brovikk Rasputin]

After the EC, there's not a whole lot to complain about.

[xtal84]

It's obvious from the amount of new threads started each day that the pain is far from gone.

It's disheartening how many people find strength in banding together and convincing themselves that ME3 is such a different and more terrible game than ME2. The second game has just as many flaws as the third, and they are both light years away from what the first is like (quite similar to The Matrix trilogy, minus the horrible dip in quality), but that is commonly denied here, in favour of the belief that ME2 was some glorious beacon of logic and perfection, which it hardly is.

I left the forums for a long time only to come back recently, and I had thought enjoyable discussion would have slowly crept back in, but no matter what any thread is about they all devolve into bickering over [insert whatever you want to call the "ending debacle."]

I prefer to remain grounded in the opinion that ME2 and ME3 are both flawed yet wonderful adventures which I love, and used to love discussing here. Now that's impossible because if you display any positivity towards Mass Effect 3 you're labelled an idiot and laughed out of town.

It's a shame, instead of accepting the obvious reality, which is that BioWare is now owned by a much larger corporation and is no longer able to make the old fashioned types of role playing games which they used to, a very large (or at least very vocal and persistent) portion of this community insist on forcing their unrealistic expectations and desires onto everyone here.

Do I think the Mass Effect trilogy ended as strongly or as detailed and varied as it could have, given the past evidence we had to go on? No, I don't. But I still love it as a whole, and I still enjoy playing all three games individually, and there was a time when this place could be a home away from that Mass Effect universe. Now it's a place of who can shout the loudest about their unending displeasure, or what group can muster the most outrageous signatures.

The only thing ruined after 3/6/12 was BSN.

[humes spork]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

If you got food poisoning from the dessert at a restaurant, and the restaurant kept trying to insist that the fault was yours, refused to change anything, and refused to do anything to make up for it; are you going to have a balanced chat about the good and bad aspects of the meal, or are you going to focus on the salmonella in your parfait? Particularly if they keep trying to get you back as a customer? I might come back, but I want them to shut up about my weak stomach and instead bloody well focus on cleaning up their kitchen!

Except in this case, the analogy is more akin to continuing to go to that restaurant and getting all excited about it, knowing full well what may -- nay, probably will -- happen, and then griping when and if you get sick after the fact.

I pissed on an electric fence once when I was a child; I didn't know at the time it was electrified. It wasn't the most pleasant experience in my life, though in retrospect I shouldn't have been pissing on fences to begin with...let alone ones that may be electrified. I don't ****** on fences any more, let alone do it and gripe when and if one happens to be electrified. It's common gorram sense.

Modifié par humes spork, 20 février 2013 - 08:04 .

[Bfler]

I think most people don't care anymore and moved on to other games. The linear SP campaign doesn't have much replay value and there are a lot of shooter games with a better MP.

[Epic777]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

After the EC, there's not a whole lot to complain about.

^^ Really? The execution is still very bad. "I guess the Illusive man was right". A few minutes before the player had gone through a lengthy discussion stating the Reapers could not be controlled. 

That is one thing that grinds my gears about the ending. The ending pushes aside general conventions for something that was doomed to not work. The classic writing convention is the ending must wrap up the loose ends and be conclusive. There is no lead up to synthesis or control, those endings just appear from no where

Modifié par Epic777, 20 février 2013 - 08:04 .