200 réponses à ce sujet

[jesuno]

sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

So no word on used game blockage.

Focus on stupid social crap nobody gives a turd about.

Half a grand in cost.

And I should buy this why? Where is Fallout 4?????

Easy man, MS has Bethesda by the balls. Any reveal would be with MS, not Sony.

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

Ain't gonna matter if used games are blocked.

Modifié par sympathy4sarenreturns, 21 février 2013 - 02:58 .

[Boiny Bunny]

I saw a few things that I liked the look of - for me some of the social stuff (being able to stream bits of friend's games or even take control of them) will be great fun to use.

Perhaps unsurprising, but the fact that you can stream a full game onto a Vita will be a huge blow to the Wii U (one of it's major advertised selling points).

Game wise - none of the 'new' Sony-only stuff excited me at all unfortunately. The Diablo 3 thing was big, but I've had it on PC since release (and IMO, it's terrible anyway). It was nice to see a few more seconds of Destiny gameplay!

[Conquerthecity]

Oh, god, that share button. Do not want and will never use. (Assuming I buy a PS4 at some point.)

[bmwcrazy]

Youth4Ever wrote...

I don't understand how such an anti-social bunch is regularly on a social networking site like this. The new features seem cool.

Because I have no use for those rather nerdy features.

Most of my real life friends don't play games and those who do, play them on PC.

However, if you liked to befriend me on PSN, I wouldn't mind sharing my precious PS3 in-game moments with you.

Modifié par bmwcrazy, 21 février 2013 - 04:26 .

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

Singleplayer games. That is the market I'm in. These gimmicks are beyond rediculous and I'm sick of it. Focus on providing damn good games, not that garbage. You too, Microsoft, and your lame Kinect crap. Just my opinion.

No info on used game prohibition. Tsk tsk. The market wants to know, Sony, and you and Microsoft cannot hide forever.

Modifié par sympathy4sarenreturns, 21 février 2013 - 04:26 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

bmwcrazy wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

I don't understand how such an anti-social bunch is regularly on a social networking site like this. The new features seem cool.

Because I have no use for those rather nerdy features.

Most of my real life friends don't play games and those who do, play them on PC.

However, if you liked to befriend me on PSN, I wouldn't mind sharing my precious PS3 in-game moments with you.

****** ****** ****** ****** ******.

That's ****** material sir. Get that crap outta here.

Meanwhile Capcom announces a new game for the PS4:



Hard to tell what is is. A dungeon crawler? Dragon's Dogma spiritual successor? A first person RPG just to give another ass kicking to Bethesda in the line of all the other open-world RPG's that are doing so? The end of the teaser suggests everything prior is virtual reality or it's a really bad way of saying "this game has social connection". It's the end that leads me to conclude it can't be Dragon's Dogma 2. Either way the teaser is pretty epic so it's worth watching.

[Fishy]

ThomasakaDes_ wrote...

So what does the PC experts have to say about it? (Not the fanboys, your opinions doesn't matter).

8 GDDR5 is fine. It's high end enough. Since most game don't even come close of using that.

Has for the 8 cores cpu ? It's using the architecture X86 .. AMD Chips.  It's really different than what they were using for the PS3. Sound like a modified version of the AMD bulldozer 8 cores.

They definitly went for a console that  feel more like a PC (Like the 360 did).


Has for the GPU. It's using DX 11 obviously.
2000 teraflops ithat about the speed of a entry High-level video card from 2-3 years ago(around a GTX 460-70 speed). Nothing extravagent.

But remember that a console is not a computer and function differently. A PC has to run a tons of application at the same time and is not directly on the metal. So this PS4 will do quite well for the years to come.

They sell the console at a loss regardless.
i'd say around 500 $ for the entry level ps4. Cheaper than a PS3 of 2006.. Because hardware are much less expensive than before. Especially the blue-ray. They still sell it closer to the real price and will lose less money.

They obviously has a strong partner ship with AMD .. Since both their CPu(Jaguar) and GPu(Radeon) are build by them.

Modifié par Suprez30, 21 février 2013 - 05:11 .

[Blacklash93]

A few thoughts:

Essentially what I was expecting. Focus on hardware and promises with only one or two actual gameplay vids running off the actual system. That's what these early-year (or pre-E3 reveals) are always about. I'm not going to judge the system's coming library until closer to launch, considering that. That said they got some scores with Killzone, Diablo, and Destiny. Watch Dogs ain't looking shabby and the new Jonathan Blow game has my interests. I'm not that concerned about not seeing the system, the specs and a demo or two are enough at this point. I am, however, concerned about the price-point due to history we all know, but I hope Sony has learned from that mistake.

Specs were very close close to the rumors. So about 1-2 years behind PC tech, which is essentially mid-end or a bit above. Falls in line with every other console generation, then. For the many people who prefer the home-console experience this isn't an issue.

As for the promises... social/app features are neat and should make up where the PS3 slacked and the game-sharing stuff on the system also sounds cool. Streaming games from a cloud... I'm interested to see where that goes, but the concepts should sound shaky for anyone who has had trouble loading internet videos and watching livestreams (like say, the conference...). Could be a bandwith nightmare for all we know. No backwards compatability for even PS3 games is a massive disappointment for me even if my PS3 was mostly a blu-ray player. PSN better be significantly improved as it should be, especially in terms of speed, I'll say that much.

The new dualshock looks nice, classic design but updated in essence. I have no clue what real use that tiny touch-pad will be above using buttons. Peripherals are thankfully not mandatory and there's really only two, one being the old PS Move. Hopefully developers actually give them some support. There's a lot of potential in motion control, Portal 2: In Motion and Zelda taught me that, but few want to risk it. No one is going to like motion control if no one uses it smartly. No word on required online connection or blocking used games and I sincerely pray they will be absent like everyone else.

All in all, I think it was a servicable, if cliche conference for what it was intended, which was to announce and sell the idea of the hardware. Could've used more actual games in there, but that's more than likely for later. As I said before I'll wait before getting dramatic. I don't know if I'm interested in this, or next-gen at all. Definitely not at launch. There's always the big risk with buying a new $X00 system and my slowly waning interest in gaming is also a concern.

Well... now we play the waiting game.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 21 février 2013 - 05:35 .

[ProfessionalPirate]

Well, I for one am quite exited by the news. I'm looking forward to getting the PS4, the share feature sounds quite nice, I've often wanted to upload gameplay vids, but never got around to purchesing a video capture card for my PS3... so I'll just wait for a bit longer. Its not like it'll hurt anything, waiting a bit longer. As for the rest of the other social stuff, I probably won't use it much, but whatev's. Its there if I change my mind.

[Brockololly]

Updated the OP with some more pictures and a super brief summary of some of the games announced/shown.

sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...
No info on used game prohibition. Tsk tsk. The market wants to know, Sony, and you and Microsoft cannot hide forever.

According to an interview with Eurogamer, Sony Worldwide's boss Shuhei Yoshida said: "So, used games can play on PS4. How is that?"

Modifié par Brockololly, 21 février 2013 - 05:35 .

[Boiny Bunny]

Is it just me, or does the controller now look a whole lot more like a 360 controller?  (i.e. a lot more 'rounded', less sharp edges etc.  joystick tops now convex, shoulder buttons changed slightly, etc.)

I have to admit, I've always found the 360 controller to be more comfortable than the PS3 controller, so perhaps it's for the best.

[Brockololly]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Is it just me, or does the controller now look a whole lot more like a 360 controller?  (i.e. a lot more 'rounded', less sharp edges etc.  joystick tops now convex, shoulder buttons changed slightly, etc.)

I have to admit, I've always found the 360 controller to be more comfortable than the PS3 controller, so perhaps it's for the best.

I agree. And thats a good thing, IMO. I've never been a fan of the old Dualshock. They always felt a little too small and kind of cheap.

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

Brockololly wrote...

Updated the OP with some more pictures and a super brief summary of some of the games announced/shown.

sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...
No info on used game prohibition. Tsk tsk. The market wants to know, Sony, and you and Microsoft cannot hide forever.

According to an interview with Eurogamer, Sony Worldwide's boss Shuhei Yoshida said: "So, used games can play on PS4. How is that?"

That's great. Thanks for the source!

[Gotholhorakh]

Brockololly wrote...

Updated the OP with some more pictures and a super brief summary of some of the games announced/shown.

sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...
No info on used game prohibition. Tsk tsk. The market wants to know, Sony, and you and Microsoft cannot hide forever.

According to an interview with Eurogamer, Sony Worldwide's boss Shuhei Yoshida said: "So, used games can play on PS4. How is that?"

Excellent. I also like

"That's the general expectation by consumers," said Yoshida. "They
purchase physical form, they want to use it everywhere, right? So that's
my expectation."

Good - an obvious expectation by paying customers everywhere, some music, movie and video game publishers could learn from the simple awareness of that. Amusingly not least of which is Sony

That said, there was umming and ahhing, and he did say "internal question" - neither of which smells strongly of a well-briefed answer on the matter.

In any case, I hope the PS4 and SCE in general can make a return to their own culture soon - let's not forget that before Microsoft came into the market (bringing the half-assed brokenness that is the price of their good points), Sony were busy making sure the software and hardware worked well and worked simply.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 21 février 2013 - 08:57 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I doubt its CPU is much better than my Intel Core-i5 2500K (3.3 GH). in General I don't like AMD.
I don't like its resolution. I was expecting 1600x900 or 1680×1050 (what is like my own monitor not the best in the market).
The controller is ugly!
I don't give a damn about communication properties, Bluetooth etc.
If its Hard drive is under 1 TB it's garbage...
Its Memory is quite good.
The Blue Ray drive is a good thing, because this device is still expensive!

Conclusion: Meh.

My PC is much better (I got it in summer 2011). All I need to do is to buy a strong graphic card.

Modifié par Legatus Arianus, 21 février 2013 - 09:57 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Indeed this whole used game thing was madness, what if you had 2 console in 2 different places, or you had to replace a console?

What I took from the conference is that Sony learned a hard lesson with the PS3 and things might be looking up for them, now we just have to wait for MS to have a conference.

[TheRealJayDee]

Well, so far I've seen nothing to convince me to buy the PS4. No backwards compatibility is a really a big minus for me, and most everything that has to do with social stuff or motion control simply doesn't interest me.



edit: Hm, if they present "The Last Guardian" as a launch title later this year I might be swayed - after all that's the game I originally bought my PS3 for... ^^'

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 21 février 2013 - 10:25 .

[Yuqi]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Well, so far I've seen nothing to convince me to buy the PS4. No backwards compatibility is a really a big minus for me, and most everything that has to with social stuff or motion control simply doesn't interest me.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

I doubt the next xbox will be backwards compatible, to make it so will make it more expensive.

[Das Tentakel]

bobobo878 wrote...

felipejiraya wrote...

ThomasakaDes_ wrote...
http://www.nbcnews.c...nd-pc-1C8459714
So what does the PC experts have to say about it? (Not the fanboys, your opinions doesn't matter).

We don't have how to compare it to a high end PC yet because we don't know which "highly enhanced PC GPU" our x86 processor they're using.
The 8 GB of RAM is level with a good gaming PC but not high end.

I heard a rumor that the x86 CPU runs at 1.6 GHZ, but you can't believe everything you read.

Quite right, but the fact that they didn't publish the cores' speed is telling, I think. If it was comparable to a current AMD 8 core CPU there would have been no reason not to tell us, so I suspect it's a lot less. That 1.6 GHz seems plausible. Saves on power and heat too, which might be an issue in a small case.
At least the GPU seems to be roughly comparable to an AMD HD 7850.

If I had to hazard a guess, it looks like it's going to be roughly equivalent (in terms of raw power) to a custom-built lower midrange AMD-based gaming PC of around 675-700 euros, perhaps a bit more, but significantly less than a midrange 850-900 euro AMD-based machine (both PC's including assembly, blu-ray and Windows 8 license). By early 2014, the PS4's relative power will have declined significantly and by 2015...
But how it'll work out in practice? That will have to wait until we get actual performance analyses comparing various games and other functions (for instance by Eurogamer's Digital Foundry).

Looking into my admittedly rather murky crystal ball (note to self: must clean it sometime), I think this baby is going to sink or swim by virtue of Sony exclusives and brand loyalty (or what is left of it). At least, unlike the Wii-U, it will have the benefit of getting all the next gen console / PC multiplatform titles.

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 21 février 2013 - 10:52 .

[Jonathan28]

Man, I was dozing off during the presentation, all i wanted to see was how the console looked and I didn't even get that. I think the rumoured release date of November is too early. I know that they are thinking of the Christmas sales but this is a time where kids would rather have the newest Iphone/Ipad than a new console sadly, especially since due to the recession parents will only buy one or the other.

[NeonFlux117]

Like the PS3, it's promising but Sony is ran very poorly and the live service is lacking when compared to XBL.

Lets wait and see for E3. This will tell if sony can regain the thrown.

I liked the seriousness of the conference. It less spectacular and gimmicky than past Sony shows. Thats good. Sony need to get serious.