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[fulcrum290]

Final Fantasy 13 Versus was announced in 2006 for PS3

It hasn't been released yet and a PS4 announcement

trolololololol

[Anacronian Stryx]

My only thought coming out of this is 8G of DDR 5 .. this is gonna be one hell of an expensive console.

For people who doesn't know no PC has DDR 5 , They use DDR 3 at best - only GPU's have DDR 5 and is the reason why Graphics cards costs so much.

[OdanUrr]

You know, I was wondering, how many more console generations are there left? I mean, eventually we'll reach a point where we probably won't notice graphical improvements. The question is, are we there yet?

[Das Tentakel]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

My only thought coming out of this is 8G of DDR 5 .. this is gonna be one hell of an expensive console.

For people who doesn't know no PC has DDR 5 , They use DDR 3 at best - only GPU's have DDR 5 and is the reason why Graphics cards costs so much.

I have no idea how expensive GDDR5 is, but the price difference between a 1 Gig and a 2 Gig GDDR5 AMD HD 7850 is somewhere around 40 euros. Real cost will be a fraction of that - I doubt 8 gigs of GDDR5 will cost 320 euros. However, I wouldn't be surprised if this either pushes the PS4 price to a 'okay, but I'll wait another 2 years / buy an Xbox / Steambox / Dell X51' level, or that Sony will swallow a substantial additional loss on every PS4 that they sell (at least for a number of years).

[Anacronian Stryx]

Das Tentakel wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

My only thought coming out of this is 8G of DDR 5 .. this is gonna be one hell of an expensive console.

For people who doesn't know no PC has DDR 5 , They use DDR 3 at best - only GPU's have DDR 5 and is the reason why Graphics cards costs so much.

I have no idea how expensive GDDR5 is, but the price difference between a 1 Gig and a 2 Gig GDDR5 AMD HD 7850 is somewhere around 40 euros. Real cost will be a fraction of that - I doubt 8 gigs of GDDR5 will cost 320 euros. However, I wouldn't be surprised if this either pushes the PS4 price to a 'okay, but I'll wait another 2 years / buy an Xbox / Steambox / Dell X51' level, or that Sony will swallow a substantial additional loss on every PS4 that they sell (at least for a number of years).

It kind of seems like Sony is hoping for a miracle - Both Nvidia and AMD has spent millions trying to  lower the production cost of GDDR 5 but in 5 years the cost have only lowered 5% ...so i guess that Sony is just taking a leap of faith in hoping that that the prices will drop radically or something.

[Das Tentakel]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Das Tentakel wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

My only thought coming out of this is 8G of DDR 5 .. this is gonna be one hell of an expensive console.

For people who doesn't know no PC has DDR 5 , They use DDR 3 at best - only GPU's have DDR 5 and is the reason why Graphics cards costs so much.

I have no idea how expensive GDDR5 is, but the price difference between a 1 Gig and a 2 Gig GDDR5 AMD HD 7850 is somewhere around 40 euros. Real cost will be a fraction of that - I doubt 8 gigs of GDDR5 will cost 320 euros. However, I wouldn't be surprised if this either pushes the PS4 price to a 'okay, but I'll wait another 2 years / buy an Xbox / Steambox / Dell X51' level, or that Sony will swallow a substantial additional loss on every PS4 that they sell (at least for a number of years).

It kind of seems like Sony is hoping for a miracle - Both Nvidia and AMD has spent millions trying to  lower the production cost of GDDR 5 but in 5 years the cost have only lowered 5% ...so i guess that Sony is just taking a leap of faith in hoping that that the prices will drop radically or something.

Heh. There's a whole thread at NeoGAF dedicated to this subject...
www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php

[TMB903]

I'm pretty excited. This will be a juggernaught of a console. Sony is back!

[Anacronian Stryx]

Das Tentakel wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Das Tentakel wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

My only thought coming out of this is 8G of DDR 5 .. this is gonna be one hell of an expensive console.

For people who doesn't know no PC has DDR 5 , They use DDR 3 at best - only GPU's have DDR 5 and is the reason why Graphics cards costs so much.

I have no idea how expensive GDDR5 is, but the price difference between a 1 Gig and a 2 Gig GDDR5 AMD HD 7850 is somewhere around 40 euros. Real cost will be a fraction of that - I doubt 8 gigs of GDDR5 will cost 320 euros. However, I wouldn't be surprised if this either pushes the PS4 price to a 'okay, but I'll wait another 2 years / buy an Xbox / Steambox / Dell X51' level, or that Sony will swallow a substantial additional loss on every PS4 that they sell (at least for a number of years).

It kind of seems like Sony is hoping for a miracle - Both Nvidia and AMD has spent millions trying to  lower the production cost of GDDR 5 but in 5 years the cost have only lowered 5% ...so i guess that Sony is just taking a leap of faith in hoping that that the prices will drop radically or something.

Heh. There's a whole thread at NeoGAF dedicated to this subject...
www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php

This only has 6 GDDR 5 and costs a 1000$ - just to make an comparison.

[RedArmyShogun]

Jayne126 wrote...

bmwcrazy wrote...

Go for the eyes, eh?

It was nice for my eyes lulz.

[KingJason13]

I cannot wait! It's specs sound great.

I'm primarily a PC Gamer... but some games just play better on consoles... so, I need one.

[stonbw1]

I'd love some of the BW developers to offer their tech opinion on the PS4 specs and if the tech really is a big leap from the current gen. As a non-PC guy, I have no earthly clue what all that means. I bet by now, BW has its hands on the PS4 (and prob "Xbox 720") and I'm curious if they are impressed by the new tech.

[TMB903]

One of the big things IMO is the fact that Sony addressed the "PS3 is hard to develop for" issue. The devs have to love this and I really hope to see how epic the next ME game will look on PS4.

[Das Tentakel]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Das Tentakel wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Das Tentakel wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

My only thought coming out of this is 8G of DDR 5 .. this is gonna be one hell of an expensive console.

For people who doesn't know no PC has DDR 5 , They use DDR 3 at best - only GPU's have DDR 5 and is the reason why Graphics cards costs so much.

I have no idea how expensive GDDR5 is, but the price difference between a 1 Gig and a 2 Gig GDDR5 AMD HD 7850 is somewhere around 40 euros. Real cost will be a fraction of that - I doubt 8 gigs of GDDR5 will cost 320 euros. However, I wouldn't be surprised if this either pushes the PS4 price to a 'okay, but I'll wait another 2 years / buy an Xbox / Steambox / Dell X51' level, or that Sony will swallow a substantial additional loss on every PS4 that they sell (at least for a number of years).

It kind of seems like Sony is hoping for a miracle - Both Nvidia and AMD has spent millions trying to  lower the production cost of GDDR 5 but in 5 years the cost have only lowered 5% ...so i guess that Sony is just taking a leap of faith in hoping that that the prices will drop radically or something.

Heh. There's a whole thread at NeoGAF dedicated to this subject...
www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php

This only has 6 GDDR 5 and costs a 1000$ - just to make an comparison.

Most of the cost lies in the GPU itself, though...

I tried to make a guesstimate of the 'retail value' of the PS4's parts. Minus mobo, psu, cpu, controller (so basically just the gpu - assuming a 7850 equivalent - the GDDR5, bluray and a 500 gig HDD) I came up with around 550 euros.
Real cost will be less than that, but the other parts will have to be added to the total.
The 429 / 529 price level rumour becomes credible, assuming a subsidized piece of hardware. But I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up to be 499 / 599 either (if the earlier rumour of 4 gigs are true, the 8 gig may have been a relatively late decision to 'upstage' Microsoft - but with consequences for the PS4's eventual price).

The NeoGAF thread seems to be dominated by three sentiments: 'Wow!', 'Sony is freaking insane' and 'Ooh boy, this is going to be expensive'.

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 21 février 2013 - 03:33 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

the memory size means **** if the GPU is a bottleneck. They better include at least a 570 or equivalent in this thing, otherwise the bottleneck will be too much to bear.

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 21 février 2013 - 03:47 .

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

Microsoft: We've taken the Kinect to the next level!!!! Look now and the integrated Kinect features we have...we seamlessly integrated Kinect into absolutely everything now! Oh. And its 100% digital download for games!!!

[lil yonce]

bmwcrazy wrote...

Because I have no use for those rather nerdy features.

Most of my real life friends don't play games and those who do, play them on PC.

However, if you liked to befriend me on PSN, I wouldn't mind sharing my precious PS3 in-game moments with you.

I don't even know what game that is. Sorry. But this is what posters do in the 1000+ page Skyrim Thread. They post screen shots and talk about their characters with people who play the game too. This happens in every forum on this site. People share their Wardens, Hawkes, and Shepards. So now it can happen easily on the console. I just don't understand why some people complain about it.

[Kronner]

New tech? Please. PS4 (if the specs are true) is simply an outdated gaming PC in a small box.

[Eternal Phoenix]

OdanUrr wrote...

You know, I was wondering, how many more console generations are there left? I mean, eventually we'll reach a point where we probably won't notice graphical improvements. The question is, are we there yet?

Well they've already added internet to consoles...

Consoles will become the new PC's soon...

[Gotholhorakh]

OdanUrr wrote...

You know, I was wondering, how many more console generations are there left? I mean, eventually we'll reach a point where we probably won't notice graphical improvements. The question is, are we there yet?

We can say we are approaching that plateau when our content creation workflows and our technology are routinely able to produce photorealism throughout a whole game. That is, gameplay which is visually indistinguishable from real actors on real sets.

We are not near that point yet.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 21 février 2013 - 06:38 .

[Kronner]

Rubios wrote...

Kronner wrote...

New tech? Please. PS4 (if the specs are true) is simply an outdated gaming PC in a small box.

There are exactly 0 gaming PCs in the world with 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, but there is no need to be butthurt because...

Yea, because that's what's important lol. DDR5 RAM is significantly faster than DDR3, I will give you that, but for example my PC has 32GB of RAM whereas PS4 is only 8 GB.

Nevermind the fact that PS4 is still gonna use outdated CPU, outdated graphic card and it will not support PS3 games or savegames made on PS3. And this is right when it hits the store. Within a year, it will be a complete laughing stock for a proper PC, once again.

Not to mention disk space, PS4 will be lucky to hit 1TB, and that's nothing.

Just another console..i.e. a small box you can't even open and adjust to your liking. A product vastly inferior to a gaming PC in every way. Nothing new.

Modifié par Kronner, 21 février 2013 - 07:44 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

the memory size means **** if the GPU is a bottleneck. They better include at least a 570 or equivalent in this thing, otherwise the bottleneck will be too much to bear.

The point is upgrading memory is so cheap and easy. I myself installed another 4 GB ram on my PC few days ago and all I spent was around 20$.

Rubios wrote...

There are exactly 0 gaming PCs in the world with 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, but there is no need to be butthurt because...

Windows 7 and your other programs do use between 1 to 2.5 GB of your memory. Simply All that remains is on the boundaries between running smoothly or here and there low fps moments while running a huge game.

There is an Ultra texture mod for New Vegas that its creator claims it needs 8 GB ram to run smoothly. Considering insufficiency of 4 GB ram. I can say it at least needs 6 GB of ram.

Modifié par Legatus Arianus, 21 février 2013 - 07:52 .

[Fortack]

Rubios wrote...

There are exactly 0 gaming PCs in the world with 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, but there is no need to be butthurt because...

If you put 2 of these things in crossfire you have 12GB GDDR5 RAM dedicated video memory ...

[felipejiraya]

Sony released the full specs of PS4.

Main Processor
Single-chip custom processor
CPU: x86-64 AMD "Jaguar," 8 cores
GPU: 1.84 TFLOPS, AMD next-generation Radeon based graphics engine

Memory
GDDR5 8 GB

Hard Disk Drive
Built-in

Optical Drive (read-only)
BD 6xCAV
DVD 8xCAV

I/O
Super-Speed USB (USB 3.0) AUX
Communication Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T)
IEEE 802.11b/g/n
Bluetooth 2.1 (EDR)

AV output
HDMI
Analog AV-out
Digital Output (optical)