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[TastyLaksa]

No news of the DLC yet? Noooooooo!!!!

[David Gaider]

As AndreaDraco has mentioned, you are free to discuss RtO's delay as much as you like (and we encourage you to do so), so long as you respect the forum rules. I suggest for those looking for more information, Fernando's community update can be found in the sticky thread here:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/9/index/576445

Updates will come as we have them available. Thanks again to those who have been so understanding. As a writer and a developer who comes here on my free time, I'd really much rather not have to make these sorts of posts.

[David Gaider]

EricXIII wrote...
The lock decision you took was wrong from the begining..I dont think that more then 10 people were discussing the whole pirate sybject,so unless you wanted us to shut our mouths about the RtO delay you should warn/ban the guys that were breaking the rules.By closing it you shuted the mouths of those that truly wanted to discuss the matter of the delay and not of the pirated client of RtO

I'm not "shutting the mouth" of anyone. Your being here is proof of that. I closed the thread since warnings don't seem to last longer than the page they're on -- and the people who do continue to break forum rules by discussing pirated software will indeed be banned. In this case it's a situation of one bad apple spoiling the barrel. As it is, you're free to continue discussing the delay, aren't you?

[David Gaider]

Dennis Carpenter wrote...
My apologies to the forum and the mods for breaking rule number three...........I have since gone back and deleted that post.

Good show. Thank you for your consideration.

[David Gaider]

RageGT wrote...
As much as he says the community was wrong to spam 224 pages on a thread about it, he also says that BioWare has the wrong approach to the PR about it.


RE: Return to Ostagar DLC Delay (DragonAge Origins)

The guy has over 1 million views on this vids so he may know what he's talking about too.

It's interesting, though I'll point out that he posted this video on the same day as Fernando's update and probably prior to it. Still, point taken? Hopefully from both sides.

[David Gaider]

cmathews03 wrote...
Is it possible for you to divulge the most opportune time to explore this downloadable content? Like several in this thread, I enjoy approaching games from more of a "role-playing" vantage, and, as such, would greatly appreciate knowing when exactly this content ties in with the rest of the story.

I wish I could help you. I'm not part of the DLC team, so I can't really answer to its content or the planned release date. These are questions best posed to Fernando on the community update thread.

[Stanley Woo]

Please don't discuss or encourage software piracy in our forums. THat's a real fast way to get the thread locked. And talking so much about downloading any unauthorized software product counts, so let's please get back on topic and stop spreading misinformation. Thanks.

[Fernando Melo]

It's unfortunate but does appear that an earlier version leaked.  As with anything digital, at some point we have to put the content live on servers to test portions of it.

I haven't looked at it personally so I couldn't tell you how complete is the version out there.  What I can say is that since we've still been working on it, whatever is out there isn't final.

As for talking about the issue that delayed it - what would be the point?  So folks who 'must know' can then add their professional commentary as to whether they thought the content was in fact good enough to launch in their opinion?

It was obviously important for us, what else is there to know?

[Fernando Melo]

Dahelia wrote...

Are you just thinking we are just too stupid to understand...or we should be treated as children? All we ask is a simple answer that isn't something completely copied and pasted to save your butts. People already bought points last year waiting for this DLC to have it delayed twice on them. Then when we want to know something...we either get the same answer....like we are retarded. Then we are told by another that we are going to be treated like children...thanks a lot. If there is something out there...no no not if...there IS...because it does not take a rocket scientist to find it and actually point it out to you...there is no ands, ifs or buts about it....there is something out there that is absolutely bug free...and seems to be fine...and people are playing it.
So in other words...those who are waiting patiently are getting spat on by the company because it just seems the company doesn't care. Sorry if it sounds rude but a lot of people feel like this.

So, an early version leaks, people download it, manage to play and finish it, boast about it, and seems like everything is there - so your answer is to complain that therefore the real thing MUST also be ready?!  

Do you really believe that we just prefer to hold on to it for some reason?  To lose further sales, perhaps?  Or maybe because we enjoy upsetting our legitimate customers and long time fans?  Or we should instead begin to set our release dates by warez dates regardless of what state the game is in?

If you're upset, how do you think we feel?

As always, we're trying to be as forthcoming about it as we can.  You are of course entitled to believe what you want.  But complaining that we've not released something that we don't feel is ready, and are continuing to put work into, just because an earlier version happened to leak is a tad upsetting. 

[Fernando Melo]

TastyLaksa wrote...
Finally an answer Is there any chance that after it's released we get an idea of what the changes you made were ? Not that we MUST know but it's cool to know that the waiting did indeed make the DLC more awesome. In a way like what you have "patched" from the leaked content.
So basically it gives us something to wave in front of the pirates and say "See your version SUCKS!"

At the moment, as I said, I haven't looked at what version is out to be able to tell you what is or isn't in it compared to what we have today, for example.

[Fernando Melo]

Dahelia wrote...

An early version or not, an answer other than...we are looking into it and everything else would be by far better...that is like telling us to shut up. You might be angry that someone leaked your DLC...and bragged that there is not one problem with it...we are pissed that we are sitting here waiting for an answer and we are treated like children.

We -are- working on it.  We're communicating that as much as we are able to.  It is in the final stages of testing as of end of day today.  We're close.  Why, or how, does that make you feel like you are being treated like a child?  Being upset, I can certainly understand - and share the sentiment.

[David Gaider]

Speaking hypothetically, a bug that affects only 5% of users catastrophically is strill a catastrophic bug. 5% is a lot of people. The fact that 95% of the users don't see that issue and think everything is peachy keen does not make it less of a bug. Also, as Sloth of Doom mentioned, non-technical bugs are still bugs. A bug is any issue that requires addressing by the development team. This is not related to RtO (as I have no idea what issues they're working on), but simply directed at those people convinced that whatever is worked on must be incredibly minor or (cue conspiracy music) non-existant.



As for other topics of conversation, I'll warn people one last time not to discuss pirated software. Whatever's out there for RtO it's not what we intend to release -- what you do with that knowledge is up to you and your conscience, and you can justify that however you wish. This does not change the rules of this forum.

[David Gaider]

Discursion wrote...
You're lying.

You're simply ****ting on PC & PS3 owners by delaying the DLC while you try to get it and the update pushed through Microsoft Certification.

It may be convenient for you to lead us to believe that RtO is bugged, and that the pirated version is not working or incomplete, but both of those things are untrue. The full, working version is available to pirates, and we have to wait an indefinite period of time, because of a single platform.

I'd let it go if you were honest and just said it's a pure business decision with wanting the DLC to release on all platforms on the same day, but the vague responses and letting us draw our own conclusions is really bad practice.

You won't even tell us the NATURE of the thing that has delayed it, and you think the best way to deal with people being pissed off that pirates are playing it weeks before us, is to treat us with disrespect and dishonesty?

I think you need to send your guys back to PR 101, because this is a ****ing nightmare in community management.

And welcome to a ban.

If you can't address any moderator or Bioware employee without being insulting, or getting your point across without being inflammatory, then you deserve a time-out. I can understand being upset over the delay, but that does not give anyone a right to speak in this manner.

Am I understood? By everyone? Thank you.

[David Gaider]

Rui Pinto wrote...
Mr. David Gaider, trying not to be rude but 'Discursion' made a valid point that you failed to answer. Are we waiting for RtO because of microsoft issues? Or is there really a bug making your lives complicated at Bioware?

Fernando can answer your questions (I would direct you to the sticky community thread, in fact, where he has answered many questions already). I am not here to address RtO issues, and as I am not part of the DLC team I couldn't aswer your questions even if I wanted to.

As for "Discursion" whether or not he makes a valid point isn't the issue. Some people apparently can't seperate their opinions from their behavior. If you can state your opinion without being insulting and inflammatory, then you are free to post -- and there are several examples of that already here, so this shouldn't be rocket science. If you think you can state your opinion however rudely you wish, and that everyone should simply ignore your behavior because you think you have a point, then we have a problem.

We are civilized adults here. Or so I would assume. Thanks for your attention.

[David Gaider]

MeatInACan wrote...
Are any of the core writers part of the DLC team?

Sheryl is, though I don't know if that translates to her working on every piece of DLC. Rob Bartel would be the other writer currently on that team, and I think he's a name most of you are familiar with even if he didn't work on Origins.

[David Gaider]

Titius.Vibius wrote...
No, I'm only asking a question that deserves to be clarified so as to prevent this leakage and tolerance from happening again. Bioware should be firm to penalize those who got the leaked version regardless if they bought and registered the game. The associated accounts should be banned permanently, that serves them right!

If we are aware of people who are playing an illicit version of one of our games, and silly enough to update their profiles as evidence of such, they would probably be banned. Permanently. Not my call. But we're not going to keep you updated on that, because this isn't an appopriate forum to discuss piracy of any kind.

Is that understood? If you really have a concern about this, I suggest you contact our community co-ordinator, Victor Wachter.

Modifié par David Gaider, 13 janvier 2010 - 12:51 .

[David Gaider]

Titius.Vibius wrote...
For the sake of not prolonging the conversation of illegal stuff they are referring to I'll have to compromise and let them have their day. Rest assured that he hasn't stifled my freedom of speech although I have to admit I don't agree how they just threaten you without even looking and understanding what I was trying to say and furthermore I wasn't even giving a link to where it is found, that hush hush thing they do not want me (us) to talk about.

First off, "freedom of speech" does not mean being able to say whatever you like, wherever you like... not in public and most certainly not on a private forum. Secondly, we are well aware of what you are talking about and whom. If you have specific concerns about whomever, please direct them to our community co-ordinator. When I threaten anyone it is on behalf of the people who do follow the rules of this forum and would like to keep their discussion going. Thanks again for being so adult about it.

Modifié par David Gaider, 13 janvier 2010 - 02:09 .

[David Gaider]

glendalf69 wrote...
I dont want to spoil it for anyone but there are a few new enemies including a really annoying little b*****d.
There are a few tear jerking cut scenes in it but i wont say anymore and also the secret documents make for a pretty interesting read

Welcome to a ban. I hope it was worth it.

[David Gaider]

T1l wrote...
David, before you do that, I believe the XBOX version was available for download this morning. The person you're banning may have purchased a legitimate copy of Return to Ostagar.

Apparently so.

Gosh, that's what I get for checking the forums before I've had my coffee in the morning. Well, what do you know? I'll have to un-do that, then.

Sweet! No more patrolling this thread!

[David Gaider]

Zepheera wrote...
Let no one come before this man and his coffee.

Yeah, no kidding. Poor glendalf... he's been pretty nice about it, though, but I've become so accustomed to patrolling this thread I didn't check the rest of the forum first.

I hope there'll be some information soon on whether the xbox version was a fluke, or whether there's going to be an ETA on the PC version please?

I don't have that information myself, but the good news is that it means that discussing RtO itself is no longer evidence of piracy. That said, anyone who wishes to discuss specific details of RtO should move over to the SPOILERS forum.

More info, I'm sure, will be coming shortly. I should have checked the calendar and realized it was Lulzday.

[David Gaider]

Abriael_CG wrote...
I'm starting to reach the stage in which some kind of official statement would be very, very welcome

Remember it's still very early where we are. Give it a moment.

[David Gaider]

The announcement is up: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/9/index/604603

Since this means the delay is over, I'm going to mercy kill this thread. Discussions about plot points of RtO can go in the spoiler forums, otherwise one can post either in Chris's thread or one of the other ones discussing RtO specifically.