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[Whybother]

I used to be a Liara fan but... after Thessia (the mission and the aftermath), no mas.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Yes, as a symbolic way of kicking back against forced-Liara squadmate status (4th time in the game).

[Whybother]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 Yes, as a symbolic way of kicking back against forced-Liara squadmate status (4th time in the game).

(Part of) Mars, (Part of) Palaven... ?  What else?

[Han Shot First]

I think Javik is an awesome character and I took him to Thessia.

I did however, support Liara during the argument. You need to use a light touch when you are dealing with people who are grieving, and Liara just watched her home planet fall to the Reapers. How many of her friends or relatives were likely among the dead or dying? Javik may have been right, but he could also learn to use a little tact. He also has awful timing.

Look at this way...

Imagine for a moment that Javik had been a squadmate from the very start of ME1, and was with you for Virmire. What would have been his reaction to the loss of either Ashley or Kaidan? Probably something like this...

"Do not waste time with grief for this one souljah. When the Reapers come millions more will die. He (or she) is but the first of many, Commandah."

Sure, Javik would be 100% correct. And Shepard would have been just as correct in slugging four eyes.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 20 février 2013 - 05:23 .

[KBomb]

Han Shot First wrote...

I think Javik is an awesome character and I took him to Thessia.

I did however, support Liara during the argument. You need to use a light touch when you are dealing with people who are grieving, and Liara just watched her home planet fall to the Reapers. How many of her friends or relatives were likely among the dead or dying? Javik may have been right, but he could also learn to use a little tact. He also has awful timing.

Look at this way...

Imagine for a moment that Javik had been a squadmate from the very start of ME1, and was with you for Virmire. What would have been his reaction to the loss of either Ashley or Kaidan? Probably something like this...

"Do not waste time with grief for this one souljah. When the Reapers come millions more will die. He (or she) is but the first of many, Commandah."

Sure, Javik would be 100% correct. And Shepard would have been just as correct in slugging four eyes.

That doesn't seem like harsh advice. It's sound advice. Losing your **** could cost lives. He is a soldier and that is what he brings to the table. Liara knew that he lacked empathy, yet she charged into his room and started a fight with him. Javik  just lost his entire civilization and he is the very last of his kind. How many friends and relatives did he lose?It's Liara who lacked tact, going into his room with that knowledge and picked a fight with him. He didn't seek her out to gloat. She was angry at the asari, but took it out on Javik because he wouldn't coddle her and spoke the truth.

Modifié par KBomb, 20 février 2013 - 05:34 .

[Han Shot First]

KBomb wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I think Javik is an awesome character and I took him to Thessia.

I did however, support Liara during the argument. You need to use a light touch when you are dealing with people who are grieving, and Liara just watched her home planet fall to the Reapers. How many of her friends or relatives were likely among the dead or dying? Javik may have been right, but he could also learn to use a little tact. He also has awful timing.

Look at this way...

Imagine for a moment that Javik had been a squadmate from the very start of ME1, and was with you for Virmire. What would have been his reaction to the loss of either Ashley or Kaidan? Probably something like this...

"Do not waste time with grief for this one souljah. When the Reapers come millions more will die. He (or she) is but the first of many, Commandah."

Sure, Javik would be 100% correct. And Shepard would have been just as correct in slugging four eyes.

That doesn't seem like harsh advice. It's sound advice. Losing your **** could cost lives. He is a soldier and that is what he brings to the table. Liara knew that he lacked empathy, yet she charged into his room and started a fight with him. Javik  just lost his entire civilization and he is the very last of his kind. How many friends and relatives did he lose?It's Liara who lacked tact, going into his room with that knowledge and picked a fight with him. He didn't seek her out to gloat. She was angry at the asari, but took it out on Javik because he wouldn't coddle her and spoke the truth.

Javik would be correct, but his timing would be awful. Saying that to Shepard immediately after losing Ashley or Kaidan would be a douchey move, no matter how correct he is in his assessment.

Likewise just because Javik lost people he cared about doesn't give him an excuse to be tactless. If you had the misfortune of losing a wife to cancer five years ago, chances are you wouldn't tell some other recent widower to 'get over it.' That sort of behavior is considered socially unacceptable for a reason.

While Javik's hard@ss routine is certainly understanable considering his background, I think there are a couple points in the game where Shepard is correct in telling him to knock it off. The Liara confrontation is one, and the doom-and-gloom speech he is giving the Citadel civilians is another.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 20 février 2013 - 05:44 .

[CynicalShep]

KBomb wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

This thread is funny. Liara barges into Javik's room and is looking for sympathy? The man lost his whole freakin' civilization, for crying out loud. Whatever friends, LI, kids he might have had are all dead. Long dead. He knows that his existence is futile because no matter how hard he fights he already lost. Hell yeah, I'd be a dick. And to have Liara jump me and ask for sympathy? I kind of like her but this is ridiculous.

This was my reason for siding with Javik. She went into a cave and poked a bear, what did she expect to happen? That a man(err, alien) who saw his entire civilization die off, forced to kill his own people because of the Reaper's love of psychological warfare, was going to be awash with sympathy for the asari? She's a bit needy and needed to be taken down a slight peg, imo.

But that's the writers, mostly. Like when she said something like "next time maybe the Alliance can send some support" on Thessia. Wait a minute. Earth is being ravaged for quite a while now, I'm running around like a hamster on steroids trying to get whatever help I can so that my people don't go extinct and you're asking for human reinforcements? 

[KBomb]

Han Shot First wrote...




Javik would be correct, but his timing would be awful. Saying that to Shepard immediately after losing Ashley or Kaidan would be a douchey move, no matter how correct he is in his assessment.

Likewise just because Javik lost people he cared about doesn't give him an excuse to be tactless. If you had the misfortune of losing a wife to cancer five years ago, chances are you wouldn't tell some other recent widower to 'get over it.' That sort of behavior is considered socially unacceptable for a reason.

While Javik's hard@ss routine is certainly understanable considering his background, I think there are a couple points in the game where Shepard is correct in telling him to knock it off. The Liara confrontation is one, and the doom-and-gloom speech he is giving the Citadel civilians is another.

Shepard has an option to say something akin to that  to Ashley and Kaidan in ME1after the death of Jenkins.

About the cancer thing, I would be outraged in that situation if that person barged into my home, got in my face and provoked an argument with me. Liara had an entire ship of friends and a lover if she is romanced. Were she looking for a kind ear and a soft shoulder, she would not have went to Javik. She went there for the sole purpose of being incendiary with him. I didn't see Javik flipping out, but she sure was. Javik lost everything. Everything. She knew how he was going to respond, giving his views and she knew what he lost. She lacked tact and paid for it.

As far as the doom and gloom speech goes, Javik didn't say those things to be mean. In his mind, he was being truthful and blunt,(his nature) when Shepard brings this to his attention, his whole attitude changed.

@CynicalShep -- I agree.

Modifié par KBomb, 20 février 2013 - 05:57 .

[PainCakesx]

I supported Liara as well. While Javik may have been telling the truth, there is a certain degree of tact that is required - especially when dealing with someone clearly emotionally distraught and grieving.

If I lost someone close to me and had someone pretty much go "I told you so" to my face, I would probably be pretty upset as well.

[Handmaiden]

...nvm

Modifié par Handmaiden, 20 février 2013 - 06:05 .

[Femlob]

did you take Javik to Thessia ?

I didn't buy him, so no.

[KingWrex]

Tact is such a joke, honestly why should Javik give Liara any sympathy? The dude from day one of his life has been fighting for a doomed cause. He witnessed the downfall of his race, he had to kill his own friends and allies, and this guy is supposed to have tact? He said it himself he exists for one reason, to destroy the Reapers thats it. He is the representation of Prothean vengeance not tact.

[RogueBot]

I sided with Liara because Javik can handle a rebuke every now and then. On the other hand, if Liara's object of obsession (Shepard) were to side with Javik in her moment of crisis, she'd probably need a padded room for the rest of her days.

I need her at her best.

Modifié par RogueBot, 20 février 2013 - 07:58 .

[Sc2mashimaro]

Plus Javik is kind of a jeeeerk. And a negative Nancy. And a know-it-all.

Sorry, not a huge Javik fan. I have opted to leave him on Eden Prime sometimes. Because I don't want to hear him talk all game.

Love Liara, but still a Mirimancer at heart.

[wright1978]

Yes i took Javik to Thessia and yes i sided with Javik.

[Barquiel]

I didn't buy From Ashes -> no (I wouldn't have used him/sided with him if he was a core part of the game either)

Modifié par Barquiel, 20 février 2013 - 01:34 .

[Mouton_Alpha]

DWH1982 wrote...

You don't have to be a dick when you're telling the truth.

Javik doesn't live in "his" cycle anymore. He needs to learn tact.

Hahaha, no.

Everything and everyone he ever knew is dead. He doesn't need to give a damn about anything.

[Mouton_Alpha]

Makai81 wrote...

Yate wrote...

I supported Liara. I know... I know... BSN hates her now for whatever reason, and yes I think Javik is awesome, but the dude was way out of line.

He wasn't out of line for telling the truth.  The Protheans DID aid in the evolution of the Asari.  Liara couldn't handle that.

"Boohoo, races uplift other races all around the place but surely my species is divine and superior, boohoo"

[Zazzerka]

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

Hahaha, no.

Everything and everyone he ever knew is dead. He doesn't need to give a damn about anything.

Sure, but that doesn't mean the right thing to do (on Shepard's part) is smile and nod and say, "He's right, Liara. All dead."

However, this could be bias due to the fact that she's my snoogum woogums pumpkin pie baby cakes Wiawa.

Modifié par GT Zazzerka, 20 février 2013 - 01:42 .

[Jon The Wizard]

Every time. Why? Because Javik is awesome and Liara forces me to bring her on this mission instead of Tali.

[Argolas]

Makai81 wrote...

Yate wrote...

I supported Liara. I know... I know... BSN hates her now for whatever reason, and yes I think Javik is awesome, but the dude was way out of line.

He wasn't out of line for telling the truth.  The Protheans DID aid in the evolution of the Asari.  Liara couldn't handle that.

There is no telling how much the Protheans actually had to do with the rise of Asari. As far as I can tell, Asari culture is VERY different from Prothean culture, so that's off the table. Of course Asari tech is based on Prothean/Reaper tech, but that's true for every advanced species in the MEU.

[MassStorm]

Always bring Javik on Thessia, it is canon for me, without him the mission does not feel right.

In the confrontation Javik is right because he speaks the truth but i always support Liara since she was a little bit unstable in that moment and needed help. Javik is strong enough to defend himself without problems. In the end if you support Liara he acts smartly and avoid discussing any further.

[Steelcan]

Absolutely, watching him knock the asari is great

[Necrotya]

DWH1982 wrote...

You don't have to be a dick when you're telling the truth.

Javik doesn't live in "his" cycle anymore. He needs to learn tact.

+1, as much as I loved talking to the guy ( out of pure curiosity about his race and blablabla) I hatted his wearebetterthananyofyou attitude. I just can't stand "wearesuperiortoyouall" ppl.
+ just my opinion, but can't shake  off the feeling that ppl in this ( talking about ppl that don't like Liara ) case like Javik just because it's Liara he trolls, not because his attitude is ok. Anyway just MO.

[Samtheman63]

OdanUrr wrote...

Yate wrote...

I supported Liara. I know... I know... BSN hates her now for whatever reason, and yes I think Javik is awesome, but the dude was way out of line.

Javik was simply telling the truth.

as always