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[Foolsfolly]

MDK2 was terrible. Literally terrible. Like a group of people who've never played a platformer game decided to make one... then gave up on it and released it.

But no one likes to count that game because it's MDK2.

Of their notable games: I can't even touch ME3 anymore. I tried to again about 4 months ago and got to the first N7 mission before the auto-dialogue, endless debriefings, and the general 'I already dislike this game' feeling made me put the game back on the shelf.

I just beat DA2 again. It's ending is terrible. Just no sense of urgency and nothing you do matters as it goes on its rail. It's stupid and madness rules the day followed by two really disappointing boss fights (and Meredith's is ridiculous). It reuses maps constantly (about as bad as ME1 did but at least ME1 had the Citadel; Kirkwall ain't the Citadel, lemme tell ya). And the game relies too much on information only found in codex entries instead of in-game or in-conversation (like Anders' paranoia after Act 1; or the simple fact that some of Sebastian's belly-aching over raising an army to take Starkhaven is from the fact that his family became the ruling party through peaceful protest instead of force of arms; and Aveline's marriage in the Hawke Estate. WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN SO HARD TO DO?).

But the combat is fun, especially as a rogue. And the team is great. All the main characters have great personalities and are all suitably deep. And that, more than anything, makes it better than ME3. ME3 had good combat, funny lines, and a few good missions but the crew members had no depth anymore. They just were the static characters we already knew. They had no more growth left in them.

The only one with an arch was Mordin. But then again the Tuchanka section's the best thing BioWare's done in a decade. So that shouldn't surprise anyone.

All in all, I think ME3's the worst big budget recent game. Although SWOR should probably take the title but I (and statistically you) haven't played it.

[Lintanis]

If DA2 is the worst game then Origins must be really really bad then lol.
Found DA2 to be better the Origins especially the DLC would gladly lose Awakening and all Origins dlc for the cancelled Exalted March 

[Sir George Parr]

^ With regards to Exalted March. i do agree would have liked another dlc that focused on Hawke and the companions. It would have also given the story its conclusion.

[Angrywolves]

If I had to guess I would say most players prefer Origins over DA2. DA2 is not a bad game just too different from the first game

[AudioEpics]

I couldn't finish either Baldur's Gate or Baldur's Gate 2. Played both of them about halfway through. The story was great, the world was great, the characters were great, but I had trouble getting into it because of the high top-down view. It was pretty but it created a certain distance from it all for me. All the characters looked the same from that distance and you only had portraits to relate to them. It was all a bit too abstract for me. NWN had the same problem, plus the early 3D graphics lacked atmosphere. I'm STILL playing KOTOR, which is my favourite Bioware game. I never played Jade Empire but I've loved all the Mass Effect and Dragon Age games and I enjoy SWTOR as well. So DA2 actually ranks pretty high in my list, probably higher than DA:O even.

[Indoctrination]

I thought DA2 was way better than Mass Effect 3.

[Steve Srader]

For PC This games is the only game I own that wont let you guide your person around the map with the mouse.I'm talking camera control side to side up and down with the mouse cruser control .The games movement sucks.Its the last Dragon Age Game I will buy.If there's a fix for this then I'd like to know. other wise In the trash it goes.For PC

Modifié par Steve Srader, 14 mars 2013 - 11:18 .

[Korusus]

I don't really see how anyone could argue otherwise. Excluding MDK2 and Shattered Steel, DA2 is objectively BioWare's worst game to date. You can prefer it over DA:O, you can love the game with all your heart. But it's still BioWare's worst. Good news is I think they realize that (they just may be too stubborn to admit it...yet).

[AudioEpics]

I don't like it when people think opinions are the same as facts.

[Tinxa]

I haven't played Jade empire and while DA2 is near the bottom of my list, I'd have to say that NWN singleplayer campaign was the worst for me. The storyline was a cliche fight against some ancient lizard people that want to take over the world (if I remember correctly), you could only have one companion and they were very undeveloped. You could spot the bad guy in the first chapter a mile away while all the other characters just said "Eh, he'd not such a bad guy, you just have to get to know him better". It was really frustrating.

While DA2 isn't the best of Bioware, I think it's still a good game compared to some of the other games out there.

For future games I hope they learned their lesson that a game needs a good ending. Especially after ME3 fiasco. It was the ending of DA2 that bothered me the most. I kept expecting the story would catch up with Varric and Cassandra eventually and then we just got "Hawke is gone and no one knows where". Why??? When you're starting each game with a new hero the least you can do is give the old one a proper ending (or several possible endings ). DA2 on it's own doesn't even make any sense. Why show us the Varric and Cassandra bit if NOTHING comes out of it and no the "it will all be explained in DA3" is no explanation. DA games are not a trilogy like ME was, where you expect the story to continue in the next game.

[Ser Landry]

Tinxa wrote...

I haven't played Jade empire and while DA2 is near the bottom of my list, I'd have to say that NWN singleplayer campaign was the worst for me. The storyline was a cliche fight against some ancient lizard people that want to take over the world (if I remember correctly), you could only have one companion and they were very undeveloped.

NWN original campaign indeed had a mediocre main story, though lots of atmospheric and interesting adventures along the way, didn't you find? I think it was really just a showcase for the toolset - HoTU was awesome. A great game by 2001 standards - the first proper Dungeons and Dragons 3D game. Hardcore rule set and well designed combat. Excellently designed 'snow globe' quest.

Jade Empire had an 'old BioWare' quality story (ie 5 star) and atmosphere, let down by the pure reflex based combat. I'm a real fan of some of the ingenuity in the quest design, especially the one where you role play an actor and have to chose his lines.

DA2 is the obvious loser here by a mile, but at least that means DA3 can't disappoint. It would have to fail to load or wipe your hard disk to be worse...

[Gotholhorakh]

Not yet.

Let's wait and see what DA3 is like before we jump to conclusions.

Not a fan of MDK2 or Jade Empire and the repetitive bits of Mass Effect were like Death by Chocolate but with boring instead of chocolate - I think they are all better than DA2, for me though.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 18 mars 2013 - 10:46 .

[Sylvanpyxie]

Personally? I still consider the Neverwinter Nights Original Campaign to be the worst thing Bioware have ever created. MDK2 was definitely the worst game from a technical point of view because the gameplay was horrid and it had bugs up the arse, but I could still have fun with it, despite all it's flaws...

The Original Campaign of NWN just bored me to tears. It started out with a plot that had the potential to become interesting, in a Bioware cliché kind of a way, but it just dwindled out into this never-ending conspiracy theory.

It had a few henchman that I thought had the potential to be great but, again, the game went on and my interest in them seemed to wither away. I thought the side quests in the earlier chapters of the game were fun, but as I progressed it became a struggle to remain interested, they began to feel like a chore.

Playing the Original Campaign for Neverwinter Nights was like having the life leeched out of me and I probably would have ditched the game years ago were it not for the incredible content available in expansions and fan made modules.

In regards to Dragon Age II? It's not the best game I've ever played, not in terms of story nor game-play, but I still enjoyed playing it. Which is more than I can say about the serious, nitty gritty, games that are currently populating the market. (Yeah, Tomb Raider, screw you and your fancy over emotional reboot. *Prrrffft*)

/Opinions.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 18 mars 2013 - 11:55 .

[Taltherion]

Of all the Bioware games I've played ... it definitely was the most disappointing, especially after Dragon Age Origins. So I guess you could say it was the worst. Most other Bioware games have some redeeming quality (editor in Neverwinter Nights for example) - DA II has non from my point of view.

[Fiery Phoenix]

It wasn't a bad game, but it also wasn't BioWare's most impressive work to date.

[Endurium]

I've played most Bioware games (on PC) but not all. I don't consider DA2 to be the worst, but I do wish my choices had made more of a difference in the final chapter, and the Anders railroad job is a sore point in my mind.

My least favorite games from Bioware are: DA2, ME2's Arrival DLC, ME3 vanilla

The rest I've replayed a lot: Baldur's Gate + ToSC, BG2 + ToB, NWN + SoU + HotU, Jade Empire SE, Mass Effect, DAO + Awakenings + DLC, ME2 + LotSB.
 
I want to play KotOR to completion but have to be in the mood for a Star Wars game; love the movies but struggle to finish games based on that universe, so it's not Bioware's fault.

Modifié par Endurium, 19 mars 2013 - 07:10 .

[Tinxa]

Ser Landry wrote...

Tinxa wrote...

I haven't played Jade empire and while DA2 is near the bottom of my list, I'd have to say that NWN singleplayer campaign was the worst for me. The storyline was a cliche fight against some ancient lizard people that want to take over the world (if I remember correctly), you could only have one companion and they were very undeveloped.

NWN original campaign indeed had a mediocre main story, though lots of atmospheric and interesting adventures along the way, didn't you find? I think it was really just a showcase for the toolset - HoTU was awesome. A great game by 2001 standards - the first proper Dungeons and Dragons 3D game. Hardcore rule set and well designed combat. Excellently designed 'snow globe' quest.

Well maybe it had an interesting sidequest or two but DA2 also had parts I liked more than others, overall NWN is still worse than DA2 for me. But HotU was great, I agree. I loved the story and the atmosphere and the characters were a lot better.

[Irx]

Tinxa wrote...

I haven't played Jade empire and while DA2 is near the bottom of my list, I'd have to say that NWN singleplayer campaign was the worst for me.

Imho, NWN should not be judged by OC alone. It had 2 good add-ons, some very good premium modules and dozens of awesome fan-made modules. And when I think about NWN, I don't thinkabout OC, but all the cool stuff associated with it.

DA2, on the other hand, is just bad, and 2 somewhat better dlcs do not improve my opinion much.

[Jeffonl1]

I hope Bioware will continue to experiment and innovate. DA2 was a change in direction: some things worked and some things didn't. I trust they will use the best parts of DAO and DA2 to make DAI their best outing yet.
IMO DA2 focused on improving combat system (I think successfully), with some story innovations (not so successfully) as compared to DAO. In sum, DA2 a very good game but didn't break through into the top tier of games (like DAO).  But the worst?  NWN vanilla OC was weak, but the three expansions and fan input (yes fan input actually made it into the official game) elevated it to a top tier game. 
In short I have not seen a bad game from Bioware - just whether it was very good or great. 
Nice place to be, Bioware.

Modifié par Jeffonl1, 24 mars 2013 - 09:51 .

[Auztin]

Nope.I actually consider DA2 an improvement to DA:O.

[Sainthood85]

Is the worst game they ever made? Im sure it isnt, I couldnt even finish The Old Republic with even one toon after all.

But I think it gets such a terrible reputation because it tries to feed off of Origins success and fails horribly at being a DragonAge game.

[LilyasAvalon]

Yes, next question?

[AllThatJazz]

 Definitively worse? Difficult, since opinions are, you know, subjective and all.

For me, NWN OC and its first xp Shadows of Undrentide were both less enjoyable than DA2 - bland, insipid, unmemorable storylines and a companion you couldn't directly control who was generally more of an irritating hindrance than anything else. Plus there were so many traps and locks in the game that if you didn't play a rogue you pretty much had to take the rogue companion - who was by far the most annoying companion character in Bioware's history (imo). It's still the only Bioware game I've played where I thought they didn't do a particularly good job with the characters in general. It gets a pass though because HotU was excellent, the OC was really just showcasing the toolset, and the sheer number of user mods I played makes NWN the best value for money I've ever got from a game. But purely in terms of a SP OC experience, It's by far the Bioware game I have enjoyed least overall.

Most disappointing Bioware game for me was Origins, at least at first. I was a huge fan of the BG games, and I honestly expected DA:O to be very similar (especially since the game was marketed as a spiritual sequel and all that) - well, my own expectations came back and bit me in the arse and I was gutted that I didn't get, effectively, BG3. So much so that I didn't get past Lothering and put the game away for nearly a month. I eventually decided to put my expectations aside and play the game again, and try to enjoy it on its own merits. Thankfully, it worked out much better second time around.

Possibly as a consequence of my Origins experience, I felt no particular expectation for DA2 and was able to enjoy it for what it was - a solidly enjoyable adventure, but nothing remarkable. Ideas better than execution, rushed overall, dead feeling city,  irritating and repetitive waves of enemies and exact same interiors? Sure. But also some good characters (Arishok, Isabela, Varric, Aveline, Thrask), some really entertaining quests (Aveline/Donnic get together is one of my favourite quests in any game) and combat that for me playing as a mage or a rogue, actually felt different and fun. Plus two excellent pieces of dlc. Certainly not the chore to get through that was NWN OC (which remains the only Bioware game I've bought that I've never played more than once).

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 31 mars 2013 - 05:52 .