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The M-11 Wraith is better than the Claymore.


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#1751
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just tried giving the tin can another go. Was unimpressed. Why would anyone use that gilded turd over the faster Raider, let alone Claymoar? It just seems like a slower and crappier sounding version of the former.

 

Did I mention it sounds like it was made by Chef Boyardee and looks like it was stolen from Saddam's palace? Terrible



#1752
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70 freaking pages. Why is this still such a strong debate when the Claymore is clearly the winner?

 

 

Some don't understand art. Anybody saw Claymore reload animation? It feels like slapping a Quarian ass. On Wraith reloading and shooting feels like unclogging a drain, honestly.


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just tried giving the tin can another go. Was unimpressed. Why would anyone use that gilded turd over the faster Raider, let alone Claymoar? It just seems like a slower and crappier sounding version of the former.

 

Did I mention it sounds like it was made by Chef Boyardee and looks like it was stolen from Saddam's palace? Terrible

Because the Wraith is more accurate than the Raider, and lighter than the Claymore, notably. This weapon can be a top choice for almost all situations in the game. It's less the case for the Claymore, and a lot less for the Raider.

 

 

70 freaking pages. Why is this still such a strong debate when the Claymore is clearly the winner?

 

Because some people live in deny and still refuse to admit that the M-Wraith is better than the Claymore.


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...Oh, this thread has resurfaced again?

For a while I preferred the wraith, but the fact that it is basically the perfect gun with no appreciable drawbacks or weaknesses makes it boring. The claymore is okay, but I prefer the Raider over both.

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...Oh, this thread has resurfaced again ?

For a while I preferred the wraith, but the fact that it is basically the perfect gun with no appreciable drawbacks or weaknesses makes it boring. The claymore is okay, but I prefer the Raider over both.

This thread is immortal :D !


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#1756
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I think Wraith deserves it's Ultra Rare status. It's a nice all around gun, with good damage, good firing rate, accuracy... well, there's nothing bad about it, really. And it certainly servers well on all caster kits.

 

That said, it just doesn't give me the same sort of satisfaction that blowing phantom's head away in chunks of gore and with a satisfying mudaffugin' BOOM like Claymore does.

 

I like them both and use them both. As always, why limit yourself when you can have them both? :P


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#1757
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Krogan shotgun dual-wielding support for ME4, Bioware.

Also Krogan welding support.  So I can put a Wraith on a Raider on a Claymore, and carry a huge, 5 shot monstrosity into battle.


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Also Krogan welding support.  So I can put a Wraith on a Raider on a Claymore, and carry a huge, 5 shot monstrosity into battle.

Because Pyjaks.


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...Oh, this thread has resurfaced again?

For a while I preferred the wraith, but the fact that it is basically the perfect gun with no appreciable drawbacks or weaknesses makes it boring. The claymore is okay, but I prefer the Raider over both.

 

Thank you so much.

 

Although I have to correct you - Wraith's drawback is its sound :P



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#1761
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What does a Volus with shaggy hair have to do with Claymore vs Wraith?

 

Deep voice - "THIS MESSAGE IS IRELLEVANT!"



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What does a Volus with shaggy hair have to do with Claymore vs Wraith?

 

Deep voice - "THIS MESSAGE IS IRELLEVANT!"

He want us to know that he is back... in case we didn't understand yet.



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MaxCrushmore

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^ Oooooohhh!

 

 

he shouldn't be so subtle then


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I like them both and use them both. As always, why limit yourself when you can have them both? :P

My sentiments exactly. As if we can only play one game and have to decide our favorite gun. Today I think I'll use Claymore. Tomorrow, Wraith. After that, Venom. Then Crusader. And so on. They're all awesome, and they all have unique features that make them fun or effective in their own way (I couldn't use only Venom or Claymore or Wraith, I'd get the itch to hear that satisfying Graal "CHUNK" or that juicy Raider "BLA-BLAM!"- gotta switch it up). Of course, this is why I have 10 total shotgun amps of any level and 200-255 of level III amps for every other weapon type. 


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Because Swarmers.

 

Fixed.


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crusader, wraith, venom >> reegar, graal, gps, raider >> claymore, piranha >> the rest edit- forgot about raider

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Rapemoar!



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Wraith has a delay of 0.5 second between every shot when reload cancelled. Claymore has a delay of 1 second between every shot when reload cancelled. Wraith has 75% of Claymore's damage. So every 2 Claymore shots means that Wraith can shoot 3 times which makes the Wraith 50% more efficient at disposing mooks or has 12.5% better DPS against bosses. Everything else Wraith just outclasses the Claymore.

Wraith is the clear winner.
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Wraith has a delay of 0.5 second between every shot when reload cancelled. Claymore has a delay of 1 second between every shot when reload cancelled. Wraith has 75% of Claymore's damage. So every 2 Claymore shots means that Wraith can shoot 3 times which makes the Wraith 50% more efficient at disposing mooks or has 12.5% better DPS against bosses. Everything else Wraith just outclasses the Claymore.

Wraith is the clear winner.


You don't even know the right numbers.

And what's funny is that, if you use the right numbers, it appears to be an even clearer win for the wraith.

And yet it sucks and the Claymore is the High Lord. I'll leave you at figuring out why ;)

Hint: coca cola bottles don't have anything to do with it...
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70 freaking pages. Why is this still such a strong debate when the Claymore is clearly the winner?

 

50 pages were spent comparing the Claymore to the Reegar, Piranha, Raider, Venom and even the Crusader, and after conceding defeat to all 5 guns it turned its attention towards to the Wraith.

 

As for the last 20 pages?

 

Because some people live in deny and still refuse to admit that the M-Wraith is better than the Claymore.

 

Seriously, though, I get the whole Claymore worship thing. It's a damn good gun. But if we were to *seriously* make an *unbiased* comparison between it and the Wraith, it's just not better. Not on console, not on PC.

 

In fact, it's not even in the top 4 shotguns. 5 if you want to hop on the Crusader train.



#1771
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In fact, it's not even in the top 4 shotguns. 5 if you want to hop on the Crusader train.

It's #5 for me.... Venom > Wraith > Crusader > Raider > Claymore.



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Wraith>Venom>Raider>lolReeger>Scimitar.

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It's #5 for me.... Venom > Wraith > Crusader > Raider > Claymore.

 

This reminds me I forgot to add Raider to the list too. Make that top 5/6



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It's #5 for me.... Venom > Wraith > Crusader > Raider > Claymore.

 

 

Wraith>Venom>Raider>lolReeger>Scimitar.

 

For soloing I'd put Venom at the top (or number 2 behind Reegar, depending on kit). But for regular games (for me anyway) it's Reegar > Piranha > Wraith > Venom > Raider

 

Claymore doesn't even make the cut, but I still use it.



#1775
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Katana needs a buff.