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[MJoshier]

I'm glad bioware is being silent about DA3, the wait is just that waiting. I'm fine to wait, to me it means they are taking their time with the game (well as much as they can what with deadlines and whatnot) While fan feedback is great (when it is constructive and not just bashing) it would virtually be impossible to use all of it. Many people have many great and artistic ideas, but unless bioware DA team comes out and says they will use your idea I don't think its that big of a deal to get upset about. I've seen several great ideas and i can see a story forming around many of them or a few of them together but we don't know what bioware's idea for the game is all we know is it takes place after DA2....so all we can assume (well safely maybe) is that it might have something to do with the templars vs mages as was depicted in DA2 with fall of the chantry (albiet that was only in kirkwall). who knows what other ideas will pan out or may have been cut.

[duckley]

"No news is good news!" - Whoever said that was wise IMO. 

To me the more hype about a game, a movie, a book .... the more disappointed I become about the outcome. The hype always exceeds my expectations.

Given some of the over-the-top criticism (to me this means unconstructive criciticsm and personal attacks) I think Bioware is wise to say as little as possible. 

I had a very poor experience with Bethesda regarding my Skyrim purchase, like many other PS3 players in particular. The game was so buggy, it became unplayable and despite many patches, it did not improve my ability to play. After my vents and rants (hopefully constructive and respectful rants   )   on the Bethesda board,  to which they was virtually no direct  forum response from the company management other than smoothly veiled indirect acknowledgement of the problems, I sold the game and will likley not purchase a Bethesda product again. Lessoned learned.... do my research before buying a product!


I think that consumers who are not happy with Bioware products may well do the same. All I can say, is that to date, I have appreciated the direct responses from Bioware.  Furthermore, I cant imagine what Bioware could do to get me to hate their game or stop purchasing their products, because whatever minuses I have noted,  the pluses far, far, far, outweigh the minuses.

I also think that fans who want more control of game content, may well like the kickstarter donation concept. I think its kind of a neat idea.
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Modifié par duckley, 23 février 2013 - 06:54 .

[Robhuzz]

horacethegrey wrote...

Daralii wrote...

Oh boy, another Bioware v CDProjekt thread, this will go places.

That was not my intention I assure you.

But be that as it may, CDProjekt has gotten the ball rolling with their promotion of The Witcher 3. But Bioware has been strangely silent. I figured they ought to dole out the news soon since their main competition is now being active.

I wouldn't see it as competition tbh. I personally don't compare games against eachother that much. If both games are good I'll get both of them. And we've all seen what overmarketing and overhyping does to a game. ME3 was severely overmarketed and overhyped and they failed to live up to it, the consequences were a whole lot of disappointed fans and loads of returned copies.

I'd imagine they learned from that debacle and won't actively advertise something until they actually have something worthy to show us. 

[duckley]

MJoshier wrote...

I'm glad bioware is being silent about DA3, the wait is just that waiting. I'm fine to wait, to me it means they are taking their time with the game (well as much as they can what with deadlines and whatnot) While fan feedback is great (when it is constructive and not just bashing) it would virtually be impossible to use all of it. Many people have many great and artistic ideas, but unless bioware DA team comes out and says they will use your idea I don't think its that big of a deal to get upset about. I've seen several great ideas and i can see a story forming around many of them or a few of them together but we don't know what bioware's idea for the game is all we know is it takes place after DA2....so all we can assume (well safely maybe) is that it might have something to do with the templars vs mages as was depicted in DA2 with fall of the chantry (albiet that was only in kirkwall). who knows what other ideas will pan out or may have been cut.

I agree - plus that is why I loved the modding ability in DA:0 Creative folks were able to add and enhance the characters, create new quests, tweak things that irked some of us.... and made the replay value increase. Plus, I bought the game for both my PC so I could play with mods, and my PS3 - so revenue may have increased for Bioware, if other people did that as well...

I would love to see a toolset again. It is a way for other artistic ideas to come to life, without taking away from what the creators have doine IMO,  but I understand the day of toolsets may be over....

[MJoshier]

duckley wrote...

MJoshier wrote...

I'm glad bioware is being silent about DA3, the wait is just that waiting. I'm fine to wait, to me it means they are taking their time with the game (well as much as they can what with deadlines and whatnot) While fan feedback is great (when it is constructive and not just bashing) it would virtually be impossible to use all of it. Many people have many great and artistic ideas, but unless bioware DA team comes out and says they will use your idea I don't think its that big of a deal to get upset about. I've seen several great ideas and i can see a story forming around many of them or a few of them together but we don't know what bioware's idea for the game is all we know is it takes place after DA2....so all we can assume (well safely maybe) is that it might have something to do with the templars vs mages as was depicted in DA2 with fall of the chantry (albiet that was only in kirkwall). who knows what other ideas will pan out or may have been cut.

I agree - plus that is why I loved the modding ability in DA:0 Creative folks were able to add and enhance the characters, create new quests, tweak things that irked some of us.... and made the replay value increase. Plus, I bought the game for both my PC so I could play with mods, and my PS3 - so revenue may have increased for Bioware, if other people did that as well...

I would love to see a toolset again. It is a way for other artistic ideas to come to life, without taking away from what the creators have doine IMO,  but I understand the day of toolsets may be over....

true, and i agree. I myself have not used the toolset with DA:O, i'm more artistic with writing but that is just me and how i am. I also draw and what not. But for those who used it, i've seen many incredibly talented mods that were highly interesting, i just don't know how to use the toolset to save my life. lol. 

[cJohnOne]

I was hoping for something in March but I guess now that's too early for them. Who knows when we'll get information about the game. Now that we know it won't be coming for awhile it makes it easier for me to wait although I was hoping for an early spring date.

[Shevy]

Maybe the promoting and information flow start at PAX East since Mike will be there. E3 seems too late, imo.

[PaulSX]

Shevy_001 wrote...

Maybe the promoting and information flow start at PAX East since Mike will be there. E3 seems too late, imo.

if they do not reveal any actual footgate of the game at PAX East, it's likely that the game wont come out this year

[Steppenwolf]

EntropicAngel wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

The only conclusion you draw is that this person saw the endings, knew that it came down to a choice between 3 things, and then proclaimed "It's not a choice between A, B or C" and believed that to be the truth? That's the only possible scenario your mind can muster?

It is not the only scenario. It is the only scenario that makes sense. It doesn't make any, ANY logical sense for someone to lie about something that people will see in less than three months. And yet, people here will swear up and down that he lied.

So I guess you don't know what money is.

EntropicAngel wrote...

I kept seeing claims liek these, pretty much as soon as the backlash started and still all the time now. Show me a lawsuit filed against them. Or point me to, say, 10 posts by different BSN users who exemplify this vile, spiteful behavior that you seem to think is so widespread.

Read what I said: "Tried to sue the company." No one actually sued, because they found out they didn't have a leg to stand on.

So lawsuits were filed? Lawyers were contacted? You have proof of any of this, or just the hearsay from the white knights on these forums?

[Steppenwolf]

Shevy_001 wrote...

Maybe the promoting and information flow start at PAX East since Mike will be there. E3 seems too late, imo.

Priestly said they won't be doing anything for DA3 at PAX.

[MrCousland99]

Sxplicit wrote...

Face of Evil wrote...

I'm surprised that they're even bothering to make Dragon Age 3, since we will apparently reach the crowning pinnacle of human achievement with the release of The Witcher 3.

Since life has become unending, interminable drudgery broken up only by the release of each Witcher title, perhaps we should be talking about mass suicide pacts instead? Personally, I don't see any further point in living.

Hahaha no i like TW 1 but didnt even bother with TW 2 it looks soo boring and wont bother with any boring TW 3 either...
Ive had it with playing an ugly old guy who runs after young girls and also  whos  old ass i must watch the entire game.

Oh grow up you troll, I visit both the dragon age forums and the witcher forums, and most of the times I see whenever the witcher is mentioned on this forum ****s like you rip on a game they most likely haven't even played. It's funny that some fans act like this...like they are defending the devs when I know the devs are respectful about other games like Allan Schumacher. Just stop with this s#hit it's just annoying and you are giving Bioware fans a bad name... THAT'S ALL!

[hitenchi]

I really do not think The Witcher and Dragon age can be considered competitors, in the last 5 years there have not really been that many quality rpgs, in fact i would say they probably benefit from each other. The medieval fantasy rpg has enough space in it for the sales of the witcher to have no or very little effect on that of dragon age i feel personally, though i may be wrong.

[Melca36]

I found this interesting confession on the Dragon Age Confessions website that basically relates to the topic at hand

http://dragonageconf...ost/43820889675

And I think people should just be patient because sometimes silence is a good thing. 

Modifié par Melca36, 24 février 2013 - 06:36 .

[AlanC9]

hitenchi wrote...

I really do not think The Witcher and Dragon age can be considered competitors, in the last 5 years there have not really been that many quality rpgs, in fact i would say they probably benefit from each other. The medieval fantasy rpg has enough space in it for the sales of the witcher to have no or very little effect on that of dragon age i feel personally, though i may be wrong.

Excellent point. How many people are there who wouldn't buy one game because the other exists?

[MJoshier]

Melca36 wrote...

I found this interesting confession on the Dragon Age Confessions website that basically relates to the topic at hand

http://dragonageconf...ost/43820889675

And I think people should just be patient because sometimes silence is a good thing. 

100% agreed. 

[Sakanade]

BasilKarlo wrote...
So lawsuits were filed? Lawyers were contacted? You have proof of any of this, or just the hearsay from the white knights on these forums?

 One fan, Spike Murphy, went so far as taking his complaint to the Federal Trade Commission, the agency created to protect consumers. His argument was that BioWare did not deliver on the promise of its game, saying, "after reading through the list of promises about the ending of the game they made in their advertising campaign and PR interviews, it was clear that the product we got did not live up to any of those claims."

Source:
www.gamepur.com/news/7426-fans-filing-ftc-complaints-against-ea-after-mass-effect-3-ending.html


Now stop ****ing about ME3 and the Witcher and get back on Topic before this gets locked.

Modifié par Sakanade, 24 février 2013 - 09:12 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Melca36 wrote...

I found this interesting confession on the Dragon Age Confessions website that basically relates to the topic at hand

http://dragonageconf...ost/43820889675

And I think people should just be patient because sometimes silence is a good thing. 

Silence I don't mind. But saying the game isn't ready to show to anyone (in the devs stated "show, don't tell" mindset) until April at the earliest isn't the most encouraging thing. 

I pull April into this because, as far as we have been told, Bioware will be at PAX East, but not to talk about or showcase DA3.

I didn't mind the "we'll have more information in the Spring at the earliest" line when I first heard it mostly because I figured it would be March when we got details. March is Spring and early enough to get the promotional wheels turning. Early March would have very little competition from other announcements/events (late Spring/early Summer start to become jam-packed quickly) and late March would have likely meant PAX East. Either way would have been good.

But if the game is not going to be ready for the world to see yet by PAX East and the earliest we see it is April, that is not a matter of me being impatient, but genuinely concerned. Releasing information in April/May for a holiday release game is usually not that dangerous, but THIS April/May is likely a recipe to be lost in the collective shuffle. E3 and PAX East (in addition to the events by Sony and Microsoft) will be dominated with next-gen discussions, and with the games which will be showcased as their next gen debuts. Any announcements done outside these events run the risk of being a headline for a few hours and then forgotten, possibly leaving the DA3 release at the station after the train already left.

Notice: I'm not saying any of these things are GOING to happen. But they do run the RISK of happening.

My fear now is that either:

A) Changing engines to Frostbite 2 may have cost a TON in resources and content that was generated under the old engine post DA2 release that was lost (including the work for Exalted March) and that, despite the longer development time, there is still a tight time crunch on DA3 because of that.  ...or

While waiting to perfect their game before the world can see it and to also avoid any pre-release inaccurate hype, Bioware's notices get put out too late and are lost to the general public, causing people to ask in January 2014 "When is DA3 coming out?" and being told "Dude, that was two months ago."

Again, not being a street corner doomsday sayer, but just saying that I'm seeing the risk of either of these things happening increased based on recent information, specifically the decision to not announce before or during PAX East. I have no inside knowledge, but I don't think any of the things I am outlining are so far outside the realm of possibility that I am just "making up things to bash Bioware."

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 24 février 2013 - 09:26 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Sakanade wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...
So lawsuits were filed? Lawyers were contacted? You have proof of any of this, or just the hearsay from the white knights on these forums?

 One fan, Spike Murphy, went so far as taking his complaint to the Federal Trade Commission, the agency created to protect consumers. His argument was that BioWare did not deliver on the promise of its game, saying, "after reading through the list of promises about the ending of the game they made in their advertising campaign and PR interviews, it was clear that the product we got did not live up to any of those claims."

Source:
www.gamepur.com/news/7426-fans-filing-ftc-complaints-against-ea-after-mass-effect-3-ending.html


Now stop ****ing about ME3 and the Witcher and get back on Topic before this gets locked.

...to be fair, you replied to a comment someone made a page or so back that was now over a day old. I don't think the thread was in danger of being locked or the argument even still being made.

Just saying.

[Shevy]

BasilKarlo wrote...

Shevy_001 wrote...

Maybe the promoting and information flow start at PAX East since Mike will be there. E3 seems too late, imo.

Priestly said they won't be doing anything for DA3 at PAX.

Hm, then I have read this over. Do you have a link to his statement?

[andrew252]

from what i can gather if bioware release information the fans will swoop down and as we all know,swooping is bad

[LinksOcarina]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

I found this interesting confession on the Dragon Age Confessions website that basically relates to the topic at hand

http://dragonageconf...ost/43820889675

And I think people should just be patient because sometimes silence is a good thing. 

Silence I don't mind. But saying the game isn't ready to show to anyone (in the devs stated "show, don't tell" mindset) until April at the earliest isn't the most encouraging thing. 

I pull April into this because, as far as we have been told, Bioware will be at PAX East, but not to talk about or showcase DA3.

I didn't mind the "we'll have more information in the Spring at the earliest" line when I first heard it mostly because I figured it would be March when we got details. March is Spring and early enough to get the promotional wheels turning. Early March would have very little competition from other announcements/events (late Spring/early Summer start to become jam-packed quickly) and late March would have likely meant PAX East. Either way would have been good.

But if the game is not going to be ready for the world to see yet by PAX East and the earliest we see it is April, that is not a matter of me being impatient, but genuinely concerned. Releasing information in April/May for a holiday release game is usually not that dangerous, but THIS April/May is likely a recipe to be lost in the collective shuffle. E3 and PAX East (in addition to the events by Sony and Microsoft) will be dominated with next-gen discussions, and with the games which will be showcased as their next gen debuts. Any announcements done outside these events run the risk of being a headline for a few hours and then forgotten, possibly leaving the DA3 release at the station after the train already left.

Notice: I'm not saying any of these things are GOING to happen. But they do run the RISK of happening.

My fear now is that either:

A) Changing engines to Frostbite 2 may have cost a TON in resources and content that was generated under the old engine post DA2 release that was lost (including the work for Exalted March) and that, despite the longer development time, there is still a tight time crunch on DA3 because of that.  ...or

While waiting to perfect their game before the world can see it and to also avoid any pre-release inaccurate hype, Bioware's notices get put out too late and are lost to the general public, causing people to ask in January 2014 "When is DA3 coming out?" and being told "Dude, that was two months ago."

Again, not being a street corner doomsday sayer, but just saying that I'm seeing the risk of either of these things happening increased based on recent information, specifically the decision to not announce before or during PAX East. I have no inside knowledge, but I don't think any of the things I am outlining are so far outside the realm of possibility that I am just "making up things to bash Bioware."

This is one of those cases where well have to wait and see what happens in the end. Considering how burned the company got after hyping Dragon Age II the way it did, what were seeing is a much more subdued, cautionary approach. My guess is they want to have a demo ready to play before they announce more details at this point. Either that, or they are waiting for the last console reveal before they show anything, which would confirm its on the new systems. 

I still think the game is not going to hit a 2013 release though. If it does, then I will be very surprised, given the current timeline we can piecemeal together. 

[Fast Jimmy]

^

And if the DA team came out tomorrow and said they will be moving the planned release date back into 2014, all my worries would go away. Well, it would bring to mind concerns that people on this board and elsewhere are already fanning the flames on in regards to TW3 and DA3 being at war with each other with close release dates... but it would soothe concerns about the game either not being ready or the gaming community at large missing the release, for lack of a better phrase.

[andrew252]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

I found this interesting confession on the Dragon Age Confessions website that basically relates to the topic at hand

http://dragonageconf...ost/43820889675

And I think people should just be patient because sometimes silence is a good thing. 

Silence I don't mind. But saying the game isn't ready to show to anyone (in the devs stated "show, don't tell" mindset) until April at the earliest isn't the most encouraging thing. 

I pull April into this because, as far as we have been told, Bioware will be at PAX East, but not to talk about or showcase DA3.

I didn't mind the "we'll have more information in the Spring at the earliest" line when I first heard it mostly because I figured it would be March when we got details. March is Spring and early enough to get the promotional wheels turning. Early March would have very little competition from other announcements/events (late Spring/early Summer start to become jam-packed quickly) and late March would have likely meant PAX East. Either way would have been good.

But if the game is not going to be ready for the world to see yet by PAX East and the earliest we see it is April, that is not a matter of me being impatient, but genuinely concerned. Releasing information in April/May for a holiday release game is usually not that dangerous, but THIS April/May is likely a recipe to be lost in the collective shuffle. E3 and PAX East (in addition to the events by Sony and Microsoft) will be dominated with next-gen discussions, and with the games which will be showcased as their next gen debuts. Any announcements done outside these events run the risk of being a headline for a few hours and then forgotten, possibly leaving the DA3 release at the station after the train already left.

Notice: I'm not saying any of these things are GOING to happen. But they do run the RISK of happening.

My fear now is that either:

A) Changing engines to Frostbite 2 may have cost a TON in resources and content that was generated under the old engine post DA2 release that was lost (including the work for Exalted March) and that, despite the longer development time, there is still a tight time crunch on DA3 because of that.  ...or

While waiting to perfect their game before the world can see it and to also avoid any pre-release inaccurate hype, Bioware's notices get put out too late and are lost to the general public, causing people to ask in January 2014 "When is DA3 coming out?" and being told "Dude, that was two months ago."

Again, not being a street corner doomsday sayer, but just saying that I'm seeing the risk of either of these things happening increased based on recent information, specifically the decision to not announce before or during PAX East. I have no inside knowledge, but I don't think any of the things I am outlining are so far outside the realm of possibility that I am just "making up things to bash Bioware."

This is one of those cases where well have to wait and see what happens in the end. Considering how burned the company got after hyping Dragon Age II the way it did, what were seeing is a much more subdued, cautionary approach. My guess is they want to have a demo ready to play before they announce more details at this point. Either that, or they are waiting for the last console reveal before they show anything, which would confirm its on the new systems. 

I still think the game is not going to hit a 2013 release though. If it does, then I will be very surprised, given the current timeline we can piecemeal together. 

another thing that might add to the worry is that they also have a new console that they will try to work this game into,and if im still up to date on the info it takes a few months of learning what the new consol is capable off and have gotten familer with to make the games swell.if they do plan on to release this game as a day one when the ps4 and dare i might say 720 it might bomb

Modifié par andrew252, 25 février 2013 - 12:42 .

[Steppenwolf]

Sakanade wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...
So lawsuits were filed? Lawyers were contacted? You have proof of any of this, or just the hearsay from the white knights on these forums?

 One fan, Spike Murphy, went so far as taking his complaint to the Federal Trade Commission, the agency created to protect consumers. His argument was that BioWare did not deliver on the promise of its game, saying, "after reading through the list of promises about the ending of the game they made in their advertising campaign and PR interviews, it was clear that the product we got did not live up to any of those claims."

Source:
www.gamepur.com/news/7426-fans-filing-ftc-complaints-against-ea-after-mass-effect-3-ending.html


Now stop ****ing about ME3 and the Witcher and get back on Topic before this gets locked.

That's not a lawsuit. That's a complaint.

Shevy_001 wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

Shevy_001 wrote...

Maybe the promoting and information flow start at PAX East since Mike will be there. E3 seems too late, imo.

Priestly said they won't be doing anything for DA3 at PAX.

Hm, then I have read this over. Do you have a link to his statement?

Twitter thread. Priestly tweeted it.