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[Conduit0]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...
The fans most certainly turned on Bioware first

I am curious, how does a consummer "turn on" a company exactly?
I would say accusing a company of turning on its fans for not delivering on what it said it would (and don't say that didn't happen), is more appropriate. 

Actually I will say that didn't happen, try naming objective promises that they failed to deliver on, and before you start with ME3, the game did in fact have 16 different ending states, claiming that the endings are not different enough is a subjective matter, objectively there are 16 endings, and Bioware considered the best ending to be the good synthesis ending, which is achievable without MP, the fans considering the breath ending to be the best is a difference of opinion, which is not a lie.

IanPolaris wrote...

Wrong.  This isn't a matter of opinion
but a matter of public record.  You had Bioware fans asking even
pleading for clarification for the endings almost from the moment that
ME3 was released but with the exception of a couple of usual suspects
(which will always exist) there was NOT an anti-Bioware crusade.  That
changed when Bioware turned on the fans after about two weeks.

-Polaris

Your "public record" clearly doesn't go back far enough, the fans started turning toxic towards Bioware as far back an when they were bought by EA and it started to really go down hill with ME2. Also your memory of the ME3 ending fiasco is flawed to the point of being laughable, these boards were just shy of wielding pitchforks and torches the moment the ending was leaked by one of the space edition winners. Which was long before the devs got fed up with the begging and pleading demanding and threatening going on.

Modifié par Conduit0, 25 février 2013 - 09:12 .

[nikkylee]

Can we NOT do the "BIOWARE BETRAYED US" "YOU'RE ALL ENTITLED NINNIES!" thing? No one is changing anyone's mind. Nothing is going to be said that hasn't been said over and over and over before. Please.

Dragon Age: Inquisition. We're all going nuts waiting for info. Discuss.

[BrookerT]

IanPolaris wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...

CDPR doesn't have a fan base that twists every word you say into something negative just so they have an excuse to cry foul either.

CDPR hasn't given their fans a reason to distrust them, nor have they gone to war against their fans calling them entitled or worse BEFORE the fans turned on them.

Bioware did all that (and worse) both for DA2 and ME3.

-Polaris

The fans most certainly turned on Bioware first, don't even try to claim otherwise, and quite frankly the majority of the most vocal fans are entitled or worse.

Wrong.  This isn't a matter of opinion but a matter of public record.  You had Bioware fans asking even pleading for clarification for the endings almost from the moment that ME3 was released but with the exception of a couple of usual suspects (which will always exist) there was NOT an anti-Bioware crusade.  That changed when Bioware turned on the fans after about two weeks.

-Polaris

When did Bioware turn on the fans? I remember the Journalists doing it, but never Bioware. Can you give an example?

[Volus Warlord]

Mr.House wrote...

I rather Bioware not start showing stuff till they are ready. ME2, DA2 and ME3 media spotlight before launch was horrible for many reasons. Lies, massive spoilers, contradictions, things stated that where not in the game, false staments made when teh game went gold, too many months of no details ect

I rather Bioware start doing DA3 advertising when they are 100% sure they can feed fans proper info with little blank spots(ME3 had 6 months of nothing for example after the SPike trailer and GI article which upset alot of people)

I don't know if any of that has anything to do with readiness. 

[Herr Uhl]

Media silence media schmilence.

That is the extent of this topic. They announced it a bit early so that people wouldn't think the studio had imploded following the doctors departure.

[Volus Warlord]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Media silence media schmilence.

That is the extent of this topic. They announced it a bit early so that people wouldn't think the studio had imploded following the doctors departure.

True. But you can't assume everyone here will know that, because they won't. Also, here we are in the "calm before the calm" stage of development with an empty forum with nothing to do but pick fights with each other, largely over trivial nonsense. Lol. 

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I would say accusing a company of turning on its fans for not delivering on what it said it would (and don't say that didn't happen), is more appropriate. 

No, it didn't.

COME AT ME BRO 

[Conduit0]

nikkylee wrote...

Can we NOT do the "BIOWARE BETRAYED US" "YOU'RE ALL ENTITLED NINNIES!" thing? No one is changing anyone's mind. Nothing is going to be said that hasn't been said over and over and over before. Please.

Dragon Age: Inquisition. We're all going nuts waiting for info. Discuss.

You're right, sorry. I won't post on the matter further.

[IanPolaris]

Conduit0 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...
The fans most certainly turned on Bioware first

I am curious, how does a consummer "turn on" a company exactly?
I would say accusing a company of turning on its fans for not delivering on what it said it would (and don't say that didn't happen), is more appropriate. 

Actually I will say that didn't happen, try naming objective promises that they failed to deliver on, and before you start with ME3, the game did in fact have 16 different ending states, claiming that the endings are not different enough is a subjective matter, objectively there are 16 endings, and Bioware considered the best ending to be the good synthesis ending, which is achievable without MP, the fans considering the breath ending to be the best is a difference in a opinion, which is not a lie.

Wrong.  Bioware claimed that you could get all the available endings using single-player only, and that multiplayer was simply another way to play.  It turns out that Bioware knew all along that you could not acheive the 4000 EMS on single player alone, and this was by deliberate design (per Chris Priestly the day that the EC was released) and it was done this way to deliberately push multiplayer play.  The LATER ON (when the EC was released) changed the top EMS requirement to the low 3000s.

Worse, Bioware lied about this for three solid months even to the point of locking threads and banning users when people dared say that the math didn't add up.

IanPolaris wrote...

Wrong.  This isn't a matter of opinion
but a matter of public record.  You had Bioware fans asking even
pleading for clarification for the endings almost from the moment that
ME3 was released but with the exception of a couple of usual suspects
(which will always exist) there was NOT an anti-Bioware crusade.  That
changed when Bioware turned on the fans after about two weeks.

-Polaris

Your "public record" clearly doesn't go back far enough, the fans started turning toxic towards Bioware as far back an when they were bought by EA and it started to really go down hill with ME2. Also your memory of the ME3 ending fiasco is flawed to the point of being laughable, these boards were just shy of wielding pitchforks and torches the moment the ending was leaked by one of the space edition winners. Which was long before the devs got fed up with the begging and pleading demanding and threatening going on.

The people on the board were angry about the ME3 endings true, but they were NOT blaming Bioware (except for a few usual suspects).  EA got more blame, but the predominent expression was disbelief and an outcry to fix this.  That changed but it changed only AFTER bioware slapped it's own fans and customers in the face.

-Polaris

[Volus Warlord]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I would say accusing a company of turning on its fans for not delivering on what it said it would (and don't say that didn't happen), is more appropriate. 

That's in the past now. Leave it in the past. We'll say it's a fluke.

[Volus Warlord]

IanPolaris wrote...

Wrong.  Bioware claimed that you could get all the available endings using single-player only, and that multiplayer was simply another way to play.  It turns out that Bioware knew all along that you could not acheive the 4000 EMS on single player alone, and this was by deliberate design (per Chris Priestly the day that the EC was released) and it was done this way to deliberately push multiplayer play.  The LATER ON (when the EC was released) changed the top EMS requirement to the low 3000s.

Worse, Bioware lied about this for three solid months even to the point of locking threads and banning users when people dared say that the math didn't add up.

-Polaris

Yes, we all know Jarrett Lee made everyone want to go strangle puppies. Drop it. 

[RedArmyShogun]

I'm surprised twice in this thread.

Once as it hasn't been locked.

Twice as you're stupid enough to trust/depend on the media..

There is ALOT of things the "media" doesn't cover, bothing in gaming and the MSM.

But in this case, if EA/Bioware doesn't hand out anything, then there is nothing to say. Right now this project likely hasn't even progressed that far and if its going to be pushed out on a next gen system there is nothing to cover really.

Modifié par RedArmyShogun, 25 février 2013 - 09:17 .

[The Hierophant]

Volus Warlord wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I would say accusing a company of turning on its fans for not delivering on what it said it would (and don't say that didn't happen), is more appropriate. 

That's in the past now. Leave it in the past. We'll say it's a fluke.

I got a bad feeling on this one?

[Sylvius the Mad]

David Gaider wrote...

Indeed. GDC is a developer conference where I'll be talking to other developers. If someone doesn't care for the topic, my suggestion would be to not pay attention to it (if GDC talks are even available to the public; I'm not sure they are). GDC certainly wouldn't be the place to go and advertise upcoming releases, at any rate.

I believe Will Wright announced Spore at GDC.  So it does happen.

But not often.

[Volus Warlord]

The Hierophant wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I would say accusing a company of turning on its fans for not delivering on what it said it would (and don't say that didn't happen), is more appropriate. 

That's in the past now. Leave it in the past. We'll say it's a fluke.

I got a bad feeling on this one?

Well your bad feelings won't be relevant for a year or so.

[IanPolaris]

Setting aside my lack of trust at this point, I also think that the silence is a really bad sign. If we are to take some of the official "unofficial" commentary seriously (by which I mean unofficial commentary from Bioware sources), then DA:I is supposed to be released for the Chrismas Season of this year.

The problem is that if that were so, then the game should nearly be done, and on track to go gold sometime by the end of this coming summer. If THAT's the case, then there should be quite a lot of information available, and given that pre-orders these days helps sell a title, time is rapidly running out to start the marketing push (at least the initial stages).

So either the game won't be released until 2014 for the next-gen consoles (in which case the above analysis flies out the airlock and we shouldn't expect to hear much yet), or the people at Bioware do have the game pretty much finished but are afraid to face the audience with what they have....and it's this possibility that concerns me (and should concern you).

All JIMHO.

-Polaris

[Volus Warlord]

IanPolaris wrote...

Setting aside my lack of trust at this point, I also think that the silence is a really bad sign. If we are to take some of the official "unofficial" commentary seriously (by which I mean unofficial commentary from Bioware sources), then DA:I is supposed to be released for the Chrismas Season of this year.

The problem is that if that were so, then the game should nearly be done, and on track to go gold sometime by the end of this coming summer. If THAT's the case, then there should be quite a lot of information available, and given that pre-orders these days helps sell a title, time is rapidly running out to start the marketing push (at least the initial stages).

So either the game won't be released until 2014 for the next-gen consoles (in which case the above analysis flies out the airlock and we shouldn't expect to hear much yet), or the people at Bioware do have the game pretty much finished but are afraid to face the audience with what they have....and it's this possibility that concerns me (and should concern you).

All JIMHO.

-Polaris

I'm betting on the latter. It would make no sense to release this <1 year of the next gen. That crap is what got Starcraft:Ghost "indefinitely postponed" *cough*cancelled*cough*.

[The Hierophant]

Volus Warlord wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I would say accusing a company of turning on its fans for not delivering on what it said it would (and don't say that didn't happen), is more appropriate. 

That's in the past now. Leave it in the past. We'll say it's a fluke.

I got a bad feeling on this one?

Well your bad feelings won't be relevant for a year or so.

But still... Alright i'll stop Hudsoning out as it's scaring Newt.

[IanPolaris]

Volus Warlord wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Setting aside my lack of trust at this point, I also think that the silence is a really bad sign. If we are to take some of the official "unofficial" commentary seriously (by which I mean unofficial commentary from Bioware sources), then DA:I is supposed to be released for the Chrismas Season of this year.

The problem is that if that were so, then the game should nearly be done, and on track to go gold sometime by the end of this coming summer. If THAT's the case, then there should be quite a lot of information available, and given that pre-orders these days helps sell a title, time is rapidly running out to start the marketing push (at least the initial stages).

So either the game won't be released until 2014 for the next-gen consoles (in which case the above analysis flies out the airlock and we shouldn't expect to hear much yet), or the people at Bioware do have the game pretty much finished but are afraid to face the audience with what they have....and it's this possibility that concerns me (and should concern you).

All JIMHO.

-Polaris

I'm betting on the latter. It would make no sense to release this <1 year of the next gen. That crap is what got Starcraft:Ghost "indefinitely postponed" *cough*cancelled*cough*.

Could you clarify?  Are you betting that they are holding DA:I for the next-gen consoles (2014) then?  I just want to be sure I understand you correctly.

-Polaris

[Volus Warlord]

IanPolaris wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Setting aside my lack of trust at this point, I also think that the silence is a really bad sign. If we are to take some of the official "unofficial" commentary seriously (by which I mean unofficial commentary from Bioware sources), then DA:I is supposed to be released for the Chrismas Season of this year.

The problem is that if that were so, then the game should nearly be done, and on track to go gold sometime by the end of this coming summer. If THAT's the case, then there should be quite a lot of information available, and given that pre-orders these days helps sell a title, time is rapidly running out to start the marketing push (at least the initial stages).

So either the game won't be released until 2014 for the next-gen consoles (in which case the above analysis flies out the airlock and we shouldn't expect to hear much yet), or the people at Bioware do have the game pretty much finished but are afraid to face the audience with what they have....and it's this possibility that concerns me (and should concern you).

All JIMHO.

-Polaris

I'm betting on the latter. It would make no sense to release this <1 year of the next gen. That crap is what got Starcraft:Ghost "indefinitely postponed" *cough*cancelled*cough*.

Could you clarify?  Are you betting that they are holding DA:I for the next-gen consoles (2014) then?  I just want to be sure I understand you correctly.

-Polaris

I am betting they are holding out for next gen.

[IanPolaris]

Volus Warlord wrote...

I am betting they are holding out for next gen.

That's what I thought.  Thanks for clearing that up though.

I agree that *if* this is right, then we should not be concerned about the media silence (at least not yet).  However, that is inconsistant with what we've been told to this point.  I guess time will tell.

-Polaris

[David Gaider]

If this thread continues to be people viciously arguing at each other about whether or not you should be angry at BioWare, I'll lock it down and hand out bans. Discuss the topic civilly, or not at all.

[Volus Warlord]

IanPolaris wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

I am betting they are holding out for next gen.

That's what I thought.  Thanks for clearing that up though.

I agree that *if* this is right, then we should not be concerned about the media silence (at least not yet).  However, that is inconsistant with what we've been told to this point.  I guess time will tell.

-Polaris

What's this inconsistency now?

[IanPolaris]

Volus Warlord wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

I am betting they are holding out for next gen.

That's what I thought.  Thanks for clearing that up though.

I agree that *if* this is right, then we should not be concerned about the media silence (at least not yet).  However, that is inconsistant with what we've been told to this point.  I guess time will tell.

-Polaris

What's this inconsistency now?

Simple enough:  I am sure others can chime in, but there have been remarks from Priestly and others that DA:I is supposedly on track for a 2013 release.  That's the inconsistancy such as it is.

-Polaris

[Dagr88]

What exactly and how much should be revealed?

Names and pictures of all companions? (Names are most likely are already recorded (VO), but models can still be remade)
Specializations? (Most likely still in progress)
Level design? (...I'm sure it will be beautiful, but unfortunately I don't care much for the scenery)
Combat? (... Would be good to know with what speed characters swing their weapons)
That picture thingy at the beginning of the game and between acts in DA2? (Looking forward to it the most)

Modifié par Dagr88, 25 février 2013 - 10:18 .