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[Atakuma]

Fast Jimmy wrote...
If DA3 comes out and we get something anywhere near the reaction we saw with ME3, where the parent company EA is voted the worst in the world, I can't imagine they wouldn't begin taking hard looks at Bioware as a developer and evaluating in a very harsh light their value to the EA organization.

You talk as though EA care about any of that. The bottom line is that ME3 made them money, and as long as bioware continues to make profitable games, they will be fine.

[Fast Jimmy]

krul2k wrote...
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There were some commercials for DA:O here in the states, a form of the Sacred Ashes trailer. And ME2 and 3 both had some commercials that got air time. My wife, who doesn't know video games from a hole in the ground, was actually really impressed with one of the ME ones, where Mark Vanderloo looked nearly lifelike in a CG commercial that looked more like an interview with Commander Shepherd.

I'd be interested in what they came up with for a commercial for the next DA game. I always thought if they did a great job showcasing the choice in character, gender, class, playstyle type and appearance, it would help bring in people who would be the most interested. Too many people did not know you can even choose how you look, let alone your personality or choices, for video games. That could be a huge selling point, instead of having a default character in your promotions (male or female).

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 01 mars 2013 - 05:46 .

[nikkylee]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

krul2k wrote...
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There were some commercials for DA:O here in the states, a form of the Sacred Ashes trailer. And ME2 and 3 both had some commercials that got air time. My wife, who doesn't know video games from a hole in the ground, was actually really impressed with one of the ME ones, where Mark Vanderloo looked nearly lifelike in a CG commercial that looked more like an interview with Commander Shepherd.

I really liked those commericals. This was before I was much of a gamer (boyfriend talked me into playing Origins, and that pretty much did it) but I remember thinking how cool all the non-human characters looked. Mordin especially, something about him in that style makes him look so much more alien. Think it's the weird texture his skin had.

Anyway, I prefer the ones showing companions/NPCs, but I like the CG trailers. If they have the time and resources, I hope they do another for DA3. 

Modifié par nikkylee, 01 mars 2013 - 05:52 .

[imbs]

Atakuma wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
If DA3 comes out and we get something anywhere near the reaction we saw with ME3, where the parent company EA is voted the worst in the world, I can't imagine they wouldn't begin taking hard looks at Bioware as a developer and evaluating in a very harsh light their value to the EA organization.

You talk as though EA care about any of that. The bottom line is that ME3 made them money, and as long as bioware continues to make profitable games, they will be fine.

yeah man I'm sure EA don't care squiddly squat about being labled the worst company in America (or was it the world? i forget) - No such thing as bad publicity, right? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight?

I'm starting to understand why EA think they can get away with audacious practises such as microtransactions in single player 60 dollar games, selling people action bars in an mmo, Day 1 DLC, On-disc unlockable DLC. It's because they actually can. I think you and every other EA fanboy are correct. The hate on EA is misplaced; it should be on the muppet fans who not only partake in their own being screwed over willingly, but also do their darndest to defend such practises as well. The whole thing is just hilarious.

[Damate]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

krul2k wrote...
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There were some commercials for DA:O here in the states, a form of the Sacred Ashes trailer. And ME2 and 3 both had some commercials that got air time. My wife, who doesn't know video games from a hole in the ground, was actually really impressed with one of the ME ones, where Mark Vanderloo looked nearly lifelike in a CG commercial that looked more like an interview with Commander Shepherd.

I'd be interested in what they came up with for a commercial for the next DA game. I always thought if they did a great job showcasing the choice in character, gender, class, playstyle type and appearance, it would help bring in people who would be the most interested. Too many people did not know you can even choose how you look, let alone your personality or choices, for video games. That could be a huge selling point, instead of having a default character in your promotions (male or female).

^ That was definitely what sold me. I didn't play video games at all (outside of brief spats of checking out my brothers games, a brief attempt of WoW or the one time my husband tried to get me to play EVE, heh) until a friend told me about DA: O and the ability to make all manner of PCs, customize them, etc. Up until then I honestly thought that was only something available in MMOs. 

[Atakuma]

imbs wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
If DA3 comes out and we get something anywhere near the reaction we saw with ME3, where the parent company EA is voted the worst in the world, I can't imagine they wouldn't begin taking hard looks at Bioware as a developer and evaluating in a very harsh light their value to the EA organization.

You talk as though EA care about any of that. The bottom line is that ME3 made them money, and as long as bioware continues to make profitable games, they will be fine.

yeah man I'm sure EA don't care squiddly squat about being labled the worst company in America (or was it the world? i forget) - No such thing as bad publicity, right? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight?

I'm starting to understand why EA think they can get away with audacious practises such as microtransactions in single player 60 dollar games, selling people action bars in an mmo, Day 1 DLC, On-disc unlockable DLC. It's because they actually can. I think you and every other EA fanboy are correct. The hate on EA is misplaced; it should be on the muppet fans who not only partake in their own being screwed over willingly, but also do their darndest to defend such practises as well. The whole thing is just hilarious.

Calm the hell down kid. I'm not defending anything, just stating facts.

Modifié par Atakuma, 01 mars 2013 - 06:02 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Atakuma wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
If DA3 comes out and we get something anywhere near the reaction we saw with ME3, where the parent company EA is voted the worst in the world, I can't imagine they wouldn't begin taking hard looks at Bioware as a developer and evaluating in a very harsh light their value to the EA organization.

You talk as though EA care about any of that. The bottom line is that ME3 made them money, and as long as bioware continues to make profitable games, they will be fine.

Yes, ME3 made them money... but will ME4? They would be lucky to get 75% of the fans back after the ME3 reaction. People have said they will swear off EA products for life, let alone how many people still bemoan the "destruction" of the ME franchise in its last the minutes.

DA2 made money as well... yet now the team is working extra hard to get back some of the cred they lost in some groups with DA3. Longer development time, more fan feedback in design, more costs in the production... if DA3 sells the same amount of copies as DA2, it will likely not make the same amount of money as DA2 for EA, just because of the higher production value and longer time. It may even lose them money - we don't know. 

So, if I was EA and DA3 came out and was swept away in the media malestrom we are in store for here before December is done, I would look at two franchises that are quickly losing steam and future viability and ask if it is worth sinking more money into. Not saying what conclusion they will draw from said evaluation, but it, again, is introducing risk. Risk to the survival of the franchise. Risk that could be avoided, as far as I am concerned. 

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 01 mars 2013 - 06:18 .

[beank]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

^

Because excitement about a game going viral would be the worst thing ever...?

My bad....

My intonation is hard to pick up over the internet....

The two sentences were different statements....

I have no faith in marketing, but I think that the viral thing that is happening (might be happening?) is good and will continure to be good till something more splashy is released.....

[Emzamination]

imbs wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
If DA3 comes out and we get something anywhere near the reaction we saw with ME3, where the parent company EA is voted the worst in the world, I can't imagine they wouldn't begin taking hard looks at Bioware as a developer and evaluating in a very harsh light their value to the EA organization.

You talk as though EA care about any of that. The bottom line is that ME3 made them money, and as long as bioware continues to make profitable games, they will be fine.

yeah man I'm sure EA don't care squiddly squat about being labled the worst company in America (or was it the world? i forget) - No such thing as bad publicity, right? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight?

I'm starting to understand why EA think they can get away with audacious practises such as microtransactions in single player 60 dollar games, selling people action bars in an mmo, Day 1 DLC, On-disc unlockable DLC. It's because they actually can. I think you and every other EA fanboy are correct. The hate on EA is misplaced; it should be on the muppet fans who not only partake in their own being screwed over willingly, but also do their darndest to defend such practises as well. The whole thing is just hilarious.

Ea said they didn't care. They were voted worse company in America by the consumerist. If I was the Ea c.e.o, I certaintly wouldn't give a second thought to some near unknown backwater news blog calling my fortune 500 company horrible. The only reason the award got any coverage at all was because fans were hot about me3 at the time and they wanted to stick it to Ea anyway they could.

Modifié par Emzamination, 01 mars 2013 - 06:09 .

[Fast Jimmy]

^

The Consumerist is a backwater blog?

And here I thought it was an online extension of the highly respected and referenced Consumer Reports group. How dumb I must be.

[Damate]

....EA was voted "worst company" over, you know, Bank of America. EA = Makes video games. Bank of America screwed up and people lost their homes in droves as well as other serious repercussions.

....and we're seriously going to entertain the thought that the heads of EA did more than look at that, roll their eyes and move on? o.O

I was upset about the ending of ME3. I wasn't as happy with DA2 as I was with DA: O. But, seriously: Perspective. There are worse things in the world than EA. And, more to the point, so many of these polls and articles are skewed by the narrow target audience, just as so many of the broader gaming public will never know about it.

That consumerist "award" bothered the hell out of me a year ago and still does now. If anything it said something disquieting and disturbing about the people who took the poll, not the companies being voted on.

[beank]

Even in perspective.... yes, there may be worse things in the world than ruined video games, its the companies practices that got it the title, not the product....

Unless im missing something.... i just quietly returned ME3 and kept my head down....

[Emzamination]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

^

The Consumerist is a backwater blog?

And here I thought it was an online extension of the highly respected and referenced Consumer Reports group. How dumb I must be.

I wouldn't call an organization who has to advertise their subscription base respected.

[Nefla]

No one can say for sure if ME3 (and to a lesser extent DA2) will chase away enough customers to make EA dissolve BioWare like it has so many other game developers in the past. ME3 had a lot of sales yes, but most of those were from existing fans of ME and friends that had been won over by those fan's passion. ME3 was the only game I'd ever pre-ordered, I was so excited to get it because I LOVED the previous games, but I will never pre-order another game again and Mass Effect is dead to me.

When I first started playing ME3 I immediately knew how hardcore Star Wars fans felt when they finally got new Star Wars movies after like 30 years and they were the prequel movies. I wasn't an extreme hardcore fan of Star Wars but I did love the original trilogy and thought the prequels were crap like most existing fans BUT new children coming in loved Jar-Jar and all the random jumping around and sfx and didn't care about the poor acting, weak characters, etc...There were people who bought DA2 and ME3 that had never played the previous installments and they loved the new versions because of the fast combat, action, etc...I can say with certainty that I'll never play another ME game no matter how many they release, and if DA3 is the same as DA2/ME3 then it will be my last BW/EA game in general. I don't even know if I even have enough faith left to buy it in the first place, but I'll watch lots of people's youtube clips and non-paid reviews to decide. Is EA going to notice If I never buy another of their games? No, absolutely not, but there is the question of how many players are like me vs how many new players will come in to fill or exceed the gap? Nobody knows if it will fail or be equal or even fantastically succeed compared to previous games. We can each say what we'd do individually but nobody can predict what will happen to the company or sales.

[Damate]

beank wrote...

True, but, again, even if one believes EA practices are deplorable, the end result still affects entertainment, hobbies, etc. Not the ability for a family to keep a roof over their heads, ya know? That's all I'm saying. This is a Bioware forums and people are going to discuss all manner of gaming topics and that's grand: But when it comes to pointing to things like that Consumerist poll and claiming it validates ire against the company strikes me, personally, as cringe worthy because the poll itself was cringe worthy, imo. 

[beank]

shygravel wrote...
True, but, again, even if one believes EA practices are deplorable, the end result still affects entertainment, hobbies, etc. Not the ability for a family to keep a roof over their heads.... But when it comes to pointing to things like that Consumerist poll and claiming it validates ire against the company strikes me, personally, as cringe worthy because the poll itself was cringe worthy, imo. 

Agreed, especialy when its froma poll, and online at that....

[Steppenwolf]

shygravel wrote...

beank wrote...

True, but, again, even if one believes EA practices are deplorable, the end result still affects entertainment, hobbies, etc. Not the ability for a family to keep a roof over their heads, ya know? That's all I'm saying. This is a Bioware forums and people are going to discuss all manner of gaming topics and that's grand: But when it comes to pointing to things like that Consumerist poll and claiming it validates ire against the company strikes me, personally, as cringe worthy because the poll itself was cringe worthy, imo. 

EA has also cost thousands of people their jobs. They buy studios and usually force them to downsize. They also shut down studios willy nilly, practically without cause all the time. There's a reason fans of smaller game companies hate EA with a passion.

[TheBreadedOne]

beank wrote...

Even in perspective.... yes, there may be worse things in the world than ruined video games, its the companies practices that got it the title, not the product....

Unless im missing something.... i just quietly returned ME3 and kept my head down....

You'd have to be naive to believe it wasn't the ending debacle that got EA that "win".

[Damate]

BasilKarlo wrote...

shygravel wrote...

beank wrote...

True, but, again, even if one believes EA practices are deplorable, the end result still affects entertainment, hobbies, etc. Not the ability for a family to keep a roof over their heads, ya know? That's all I'm saying. This is a Bioware forums and people are going to discuss all manner of gaming topics and that's grand: But when it comes to pointing to things like that Consumerist poll and claiming it validates ire against the company strikes me, personally, as cringe worthy because the poll itself was cringe worthy, imo. 

EA has also cost thousands of people their jobs. They buy studios and usually force them to downsize. They also shut down studios willy nilly, practically without cause all the time. There's a reason fans of smaller game companies hate EA with a passion.

Ugh. Thousands of jobs over how long of EA's existence as a company? They shut down studios all the time, huh? Like, what? Monthly? Daily? Bi-annually? 

Look, I'm seriously NOT trying to argue whether or not EA is a good or bad video game company. Frankly I don't know enough about them and I'm sure as hell not an expert. What I do know is that the economy hasn't been stable for years now, companies are floundering and flailing in droves and at the end of the day I'm more inclined to worry about the practices of companies and organizations built to facilitate investment, mortgages, insurance, etc.... than I am to raise up pitchforks about a company that caters to hobbies/entertainment.

And ultimately none of this matters: We have no control over how Bioware is choosing to market their game. We have no concrete answers on when this game is even going to be released. Only time will tell whether or not their strategy ends up a winning one or not: No ammount of armchair critique on the part of a small fraction of vocal fans is going to change their current marketing stratedgy, only the end results will have any barring on future strategies. 

[beank]

shygravel wrote...

And ultimately none of this matters: We have no control over how Bioware is choosing to market their game. We have no concrete answers on when this game is even going to be released. Only time will tell whether or not their strategy ends up a winning one or not: No ammount of armchair critique on the part of a small fraction of vocal fans is going to change their current marketing stratedgy, only the end results will have any barring on future strategies. 

But to be realistic, no amount of reasoning wills stop the internet from armchair critiquing the stratagy anyways....<_<

[Fast Jimmy]

^

I didn't say in my original post that the poll was right, wrong or indifferent. But, despite what EA says, it does matter to them.

And you are right, posting here will change nothing. That doesn't mean that people shouldn't post. Otherwise, the forums would be empty all of the time, since we can't control or influence anything about the game at all.

[beank]

and that is fine, but once the collective start to demand things, or starts to claim things as fact we should take a step back and calm down.... EDIT: re-read this and it sounded a little accusational... its not meant to call any one out, but to be an opinion of the forum in general....

The front page would cycle less and the forum would be less ( i cant believe Im about the say this...) toxic....

but back on topic.... would a campaign that started tomorrow make the game sell more than one that started late spring? Early summer? At this point would it be anything more than pretty pictures?

Modifié par beank, 01 mars 2013 - 07:47 .

[Fast Jimmy]

I would assume the quality of an ad campaign would be not that much better today than it would six or eight weeks from now. The difference is that now there is much less competition in the spotlight. Assassin's Creed 4 and the remaining ripples from TW3 and the Sony/PS4 event are all that's on the horizon until roughly PAX East. Once you hit mid-Spring, it is going to be a boiler maker of E3 hype and console rumors/speculations/discussion.

So, yes. I think an announcement between now and Early April would be much better than later. That way, when the campaign starts going in full swing late summer/early fall, it isn't brand new news to the majority of its target sales demographic.

[beank]

AC4? i thought that was a joke....

I agree with the media tornado, but why not just put out (so to speak) at PAX or E3? Tack onto the hype from the PS4 and NXBOX....