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[David Gaider]

If this thread continues to be people viciously arguing at each other about whether or not you should be angry at BioWare, I'll lock it down and hand out bans. Discuss the topic civilly, or not at all.

[David Gaider]

David7204 wrote...
There are some really goddamn stupid people on the BSN. The motive for not changing the endings changes by the day. Today, it's because BioWare is full of prideful egoists who are determined to hold onto their artistic integrity to the detriment of their product. Tomorrow, it's because EA hates RPGs and wants to have all developers focus on Call of Duty games. The day after, it's because BioWare and EA are nothing but greedy, money-grubbing scumbags who cooked up this debacle to generate press and 'force' players to buy DLC. The day after, who knows?

Meh. You should have seen the forums before the reveal of DAO-- about two years (or two and a half?) of almost no information and endless speculation. It got to the point where some people were livid. How dare we withhold information they needed to make their purchase? Etc. etc.

And then, almost the moment we revealed, that went away... to be replaced by endless jumping to conclusions on what they'd seen, followed by annoyance at there being too much information.

Like I said before, this is pretty typical and will happen again.

We have said no official release date, only a vague target-- which can always change. If, by the time the reveal is done, someone feels they don't have enough information to make their purchase by the release date... then don't purchase it. Wait for a review from someone you trust, or whatever works for you. It's really encumbent on us to provide enough information, and that's rarely an issue once the marketing effort begins. And if you really think our information isn't reliable, then I'm not sure why you'd be asking for us to provide any-- since you don't trust it anyway.

So this really seems like a lot of angst, to be honest. Which is normal. We want to make sure what we show gives a good first impression, nothing more. Blame us for that, if you like, but that's really the extent of the conspiracy behind our silence.

Modifié par David Gaider, 26 février 2013 - 05:00 .

[David Gaider]

DragonAgeTemplar wrote...
in 2 days its march 1st
how long do they gonna wait? until it becomes june or what?

Possibly, or even longer. That's the problem with mentioning even a vague date-- some people think that's a promise. Back when it was mentioned, that may have even been the idea... but things change. And when we say "the earliest you'll hear more", we do for honest to goodness certain mean "the earliest."

You could be waiting a while. Or it could be right around the corner. We're not saying.

[David Gaider]

BasilKarlo wrote...
We're not bothered by waiting. We're bothered by the fact that Bioware says the game isn't even ready for a teaser trailer or screenshots for a magazine reveal. They still say the game is set for a calendar 2013 release and won't be be ready to show ANYTHING even by the end of March. If the plan is to release during the Holiday season the game will have to go GOLD late Summer/early Fall. If you don't think that means anything then you are not a critically thinking person.

When have we said "the game isn't even ready"?

We're not ready. When we do the reveal, we want it to both make a good impression and be complete enough that there's no room for speculation. Oh, sure, there'll always be some speculation among fans... but we'll be going for something less vague which doesn't cause more questions than it answers. I think our fan community, at this point, requires more than a teaser.

If your impression is that, because we're not showing it now, it's not showable... well, that's not true. Just because you don't see what we're doing doesn't mean we're not doing anything. It also takes time to put together trailers, and that's effort we currently can't afford. Heck, every trailer/demo I've ever take part in has always derailed devlopment far more than you'd probably realize.

The game is progressing nicely, and once we show it, you'll see how far along it actually is. Hopefully you'll be impressed. If you still think it's not ready by release, then like I said earlier-- don't buy it. If we think it won't be ready, that's a difficult ball of wax altogether.

But that's really our problem then, isn't it? I'm unsure what the angst gets you at this point, where you have nothing to base it on except your anxiety.

Modifié par David Gaider, 28 février 2013 - 11:40 .

[David Gaider]

BasilKarlo wrote...
Then you, Laidlaw and Darrah should get on the same page. They've said several times that the game will be revealed when it's ready.

When it's at the stage we feel it's ready to show, then we'll be ready to show it.

You (or some people here, at any rate) seem to be taking us saying we're not ready to show it as in the game is at some early stage where we can't possibly get it ready by our planned release... whenever that is. Honestly, I'd just suggest you let us worry about that. When we reveal, there will be plenty of information.

Since when is the point of trailers quashing speculation?

Teaser trailers just get people excited. I'd say our fanbase is at a point where they'd like to see something solid. I wouldn't say that everyone doesn't trust us, but possibly enough that it will take something concrete to alleviate the inevitable doomsayers who would run amuck saying how we couldn't possibly deliver on anything at all. At the very least, it might be nice to offer the more reasonable folks out there something with which to counter that.

Or that is, at any rate, my presumption. My knowledge of marketing plans is limited, if better than a fan's.

David Gaider wrote...
Where did I suggest that you're not doing anything? Please don't put words in my mouth.

Some people on this thread have clearly said that. If you're not one of them, then what is the concern? That we won't be able to sell enough copies? That our advertising can't gain the attention of enough people? That's incredibly gracious of you, but if you're already paying attention I doubt you'll miss the news once it comes out.

Modifié par David Gaider, 01 mars 2013 - 11:07 .

[Allan Schumacher]

imbs wrote...

"you mad" "kid" "facts" - ugh.

1. There wasn't a single fact in your post. It was actually just naive and wrong.
2. You were indeed defending EA/Bioware.
3. Whilst I quoted you my post wasn't only about you, an idea I didn't write down as I assumed you would realise that - my bad.

While I can't talk on behalf of ALLLLLLLLL of EA, I'd like to address point #1.

ME3 has been a very successful game.  Stating that it's been successful is neither naive, nor wrong.

I'm not particularly concerned with the "Worst Company in America" award.  For me, it's a matter of convenient timing in that that poll was available while a highly mobililized, highly connected, and highly motivated contingent of internet users used it to register varying levels of disappointment with EA, largely fueled by backlash in ME3.

If you honestly feel that EA is the Worst Company in America, I take this time to remind you that we make a luxury good of which there is ample competition to which if we did not exist your basic needs in life would not be affected.

If we're the absolute worst company in all of America, life must be pretty good.

[Allan Schumacher]

Pardon me if I am skeptical of an employee of EA saying that an EA game has been successful. I seem to recall that many Bioware reps still claim that DA2 was a sucessful game too.

Pardon me if I'm skeptical of a fan that really wants the game to not be successful being skeptical at my statements. You're welcome to not believe my statements if you want, but it's up to you to decide whether or not your motivations are influenced by a want of the game to be less successful simply because you didn't care for it.


You are correct, however, in that success was not really defined. The original poster specifically stated "profitable." So I'll elaborate: ME3 was profitable (so was DA2). So, stating that ME3 is profitable is neither naive, nor wrong.

[John Epler]

And I think we're long past the point where there's any useful discussion to be had with this thread.

As David said, we'll show something when we feel it's ready for primetime. There really is only one chance to make a first impression, and we want to make sure we can knock the socks off everyone.

Read into that as you will, we certainly can't stop you.