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[stormhit]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

To clear this up, Bioware was never sued.

A claim was brought to a Better Business Bureau analyst to determine if such a claim could be made in regards to Mass Effect 3. It reviewed two criteria: pre-release statements and actual explanations of the game on the game box or for online descriptions in places where you can buy/order the game via the Internet.

The analyst concluded that the pre-release statements, while misleading and possibly unethical, we're technically not part of any product facing materials and could not be grounds for action.

The analyst did say that comments made on the promotional materials on the box and the online description, however, did state that there were vastly different outcomes that took into account your choices, a claim they said was refutable by the original "3 different colors" endings that were nearly identical pre-EC.

The final review was that consumers did have a right to a formal comaint through the Bureau and that a refund for not providing the experience promised by any employee stating such was valid. 

Is there a link to any of that, because I only ever saw the post on their blog. And the gist of that was basically advice to companies that people will complain over anything that isn't precisely what was stated, so you should avoid saying anything that might be interpreted as specific. Because otherwise it's "technically" false advertising.

[MerinTB]

EntropicAngel wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

Those are what you are TOLD happens.  What you watched on the screen?  Remarkably little variance.

And so much not DA3 related. <_<

No, I watched the Reapers die in destroy. I watched everything turn synth-y and green in Synthesis. And so on. I think the outros are a valid part of the equation (not epilogue slides)


And, fine, you're right. I'll desist. I just get really, really ticked at the though of people who are clearly living so far in the lap of luxury (or so far in the grip of delusion) that they consider suing over a luxury item a valid course of action.

The fact that they went to the BBB and didn't hire a lawyer, and the fact that they were complaining about a $60 product and wanting their money back, would seem to be evidence that they were NOT wealthy.  At least that's what I'd draw from it.

I think the BBB case was the right thing to do.  I do not, however, think this is anywhere near worth a law suit.  I felt like I had been drastically mislead and that ending ruined the ME series for me.  *shrug*  Maybe I'm naive and have a thin-skin.

But I make matters worse in the digression department.

[bayofangels]

It felt like DA3 was only announced so early as the Docs were leaving (it was announced the day before?).

Same with them mentioning ME4, years before it's going to come out.

I don't expect to hear more until E3.

Modifié par bayofangels, 25 février 2013 - 11:28 .

[Emzamination]

MrCrabby wrote...

I don't recall saying this forum was the majority, however I can read sales numbers. I can also gauge the feelings of a wide variety of people by reading forums such as here, Kotaku, 4chan, IGN and so on. I'm sure there are indeed some people who like Dragon Age 2, just like there are some people who like Manos: Hands of Fate. They are however a minority.

My answer was not to bash the design choices on the game but merely to speculate on why they released those tidbits and are keeping silent otherwise.

• What sales numbers?
• What group of people?
• Where are these forum thread links to support your argument?

Claims like this really hurt the eyes, because without any links to support your statement, it looks like you did little more than pull a bunch of rabble rabble rabble out of thin air, which I strongly suspect is the case here. This type of argument is a waste of your time writing it and a waste of my life having to read it. Do us both a favor and refrain from spouting more of this kind of thing in the future, atleast until a proper hide post feature is implemented. Appreciated.

[Fiddzz]

MerinTB wrote...

Blair Brown wrote...
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I wasn't saying thats what I thought, I was making a case that fans could feel even MORE entitiled to have a say/demand things because they feel, hey i'm investing in this product.  vs. a triple A game company.

I currently haven't backed any kickstarters, and don't plan to (for now).  I don't like the idea of a) having to wait 1-2years after i've payed for something for it to show up. the complete uncertentiy that you might not get what you thought you were going to.  But that's just me.

[Fiddzz]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Seriously though, just a screen shot of a wired skeleton just waving would be awesome, or an eyeball, or even a screenshot of a dirt road! Anything!

Please?
I can remain patient though...

https://pbs.twimg.co...Alw4p.png:large

Modifié par Blair Brown, 22 février 2013 - 05:05 .

[Fiddzz]

Also, this whole "we'll tell you stuff in spring" isn't set in stone, unless i'm mistaken and someone has a link to a quote from mike/mark? I just keep seeing it pop up and each time it seems to get posted more and more as a fact/gospel.

[LinksOcarina]

Blair Brown wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Seriously though, just a screen shot of a wired skeleton just waving would be awesome, or an eyeball, or even a screenshot of a dirt road! Anything!

Please?
I can remain patient though...

https://pbs.twimg.co...Alw4p.png:large

Now you need to put this image in the game somehow as an easter egg.

[TheJediSaint]

Good God! I've never seen anything in more dire need of an eye drop!

[Reznore57]

I think Chris Presley talked about Spring for news on this forum , Blair.
Anyway , I'm 100% sure it comes from a bioware employee.
If someone can find the post....

[nikkylee]

Blair Brown wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Seriously though, just a screen shot of a wired skeleton just waving would be awesome, or an eyeball, or even a screenshot of a dirt road! Anything!

Please?
I can remain patient though...

https://pbs.twimg.co...Alw4p.png:large

Well done. Seriously. 

Doesn't help my stealth reading at work when I'm snorting at my desk, though.

Modifié par nikkylee, 22 février 2013 - 05:27 .

[Shevy]

Reznore57 wrote...

I think Chris Presley talked about Spring for news on this forum , Blair.
Anyway , I'm 100% sure it comes from a bioware employee.
If someone can find the post....

If I recall correctly it was indeed Chris Priestley who said something along the line of "You probably won't hear something about the game this year und most likely til spring". But this isn't a confirmation that we're going to see something concrete in spring.

[ElitePinecone]

Blair Brown wrote...

Also, this whole "we'll tell you stuff in spring" isn't set in stone, unless i'm mistaken and someone has a link to a quote from mike/mark? I just keep seeing it pop up and each time it seems to get posted more and more as a fact/gospel.

Chris suggested it as a rough timeframe here

I also remember Mike mentioning it but can't find a link atm. 

[Fast Jimmy]

^

We just saw something! Didn't you see Blair's post?

Two legged beholders for DA3! Semi-confirmed rumor.

[Fiddzz]

I see, still, it's "spring at the earliest". that is not a firm date.

Like i said i'm seeing it appear in almost every thread at some point and each time it gets more and more, "THIS IS THE DATE!" Don't want people to have huge expectations and then be dissapointed.

[Allan Schumacher]

TheJediSaint wrote...

Good God! I've never seen anything in more dire need of an eye drop!

HAHA!  My frist reaction was "Get some visine!"

[ElitePinecone]

Here's a second source for Chris saying spring was likely as the earliest possible time for talking about DA3:

linky

[Reznore57]

Well I'm scared now ....
But Mike said on his tweet that the game was still supposed to come out by the end of the year , a few weeks ago.
If it's still the plan , the Da team will need to put some promotion out anyway.
I think ( not an expert^^) that 6 months of promotion is the minimum.
So....It 's still late spring early summer...

[ElitePinecone]

Blair Brown wrote...

I see, still, it's "spring at the earliest". that is not a firm date.

Like i said i'm seeing it appear in almost every thread at some point and each time it gets more and more, "THIS IS THE DATE!" Don't want people to have huge expectations and then be dissapointed.

Thanks for clarifying Blair. 

I think I misremembered how firm spring was as an announcement period in dev posts, I'll definitely qualify that with "at the earliest" in the future. 

[Kidd]

Blair Brown wrote...


https://pbs.twimg.co...Alw4p.png:large

Would this be a fine piece of mspainting I gaze upon? 

Also, well played 

[nightscrawl]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I have literally passed on more than a mere handful of ideas I have read on this very forum to the point where I am probably annoying Mike with spam.

I know you guys browse the forums even if you don't post anything, but this particular statement is heartening in that, for me at least, it often seems like any "new ideas" aren't really new, and any posts like "what about such-and-such method for this problem players have had?" are largely ignored. So it's nice to see.

ElitePinecone wrote...

If anything, I'd wager that the focus testing EA does with various groups of players (Bioware fans, DA fans, RPG players, non-RPG players, whatever) that a dev mentioned above is far more useful in terms of player feedback. Those responses can be controlled and quantified, generalised to a larger audience, used for sales projections, etc. Telemetry and statistics collected in the games alone would seem to be a far more worthwhile source of data than forum threads, in terms of determining *actual* player behaviour patterns and areas that were popular/unused.

Eh I'd say it depends on what the focus players are testing and the types of questions they are asked about their assigned content. I think some things can only be gauged by playing the entire game. Was the ending anti-climactic? Did harvester!Orsino make any sense? Why did you make your final decision? How did you feel?

I'm sure there are testers who play the whole game. But I don't think those are a replacement for the hundreds of forum posters who have finished the game, and hopefully, are able to articulate what they liked/disliked about it and why.

[sirus1988]

Sort of a curiosity, but will you guys be adding sub forums to this DAI forum when you finally release more information? I wouldn't want to see very much information if it contains plot spoilers?

[MoMan313]

hoooo boy.
If I was starving for info, I'd be a skeleton.
Is.. that.. normal..? Where every waking moment is obsessed with anything DA3 related?

To the point where I'm like timmy's teacher from fairly odd parents? where I go..
"DRAGON AGE 3!!!" the same way he says "FAIRIES!"

Which.. is.. why I was so hyped up for the playstation 4 reveal? >_> XD

._. I can wait, but I dunno how long I can hold off my mind here XD

...

Well, at least your taking your time with it bioware 8D I'm happy with that
Shame my mind.. can't.. be happy with it hahaha ^^;;

[Allan Schumacher]

I know you guys browse the forums even if you don't post anything, but this particular statement is heartening in that, for me at least, it often seems like any "new ideas" aren't really new, and any posts like "what about such-and-such method for this problem players have had?" are largely ignored. So it's nice to see.

It's a lot of "here's some interesting perspectives" as well as some additional commentary for me for how I think it might be a good idea. Ultimately it's just feeding into the pool for how Mike motivates his decisions.

I do have a bias in that the perspective must be somewhat novel (showing Mike the 2344th thread about a group of people saying the same thing they said the previous 2343 threads isn't really productive). I also have a bias of picking the things I like (for better or worse. I doubt I can every fully remove this too).