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[Iakus]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...
If by crap DLC you mean a DLC that seems to have woven itself out of my fantasies then yes.

Look, seriously. Why were you expecting DLC that would alter the ending? I will believe the ending of ME3 was a BioWare brain fart until my dying day, but I was not, in any way, holding out for ending DLC. They have been painfully clear that it isn't happening. Believe me, I get that it's a kick in the gut to see the final nail put in the coffin at last, but we have been watching the hammer come down on that nail since post-EC.

This DLC is just about the best I could have realistically hoped for.

Apparently any DLC that doesn't change the ending is fail DLC, no matter how well written it could turn out to be, no matter how fun the gameplay section is, no matter how closely it aligns with all the other fan wishes besides post-ending DLC.

Not so much that as it is buying a kid a new bike after running over their dog with your car.

Sure it's a really nice bike.  But it doesn't bring Woofie back...

[dreamgazer]

iakus wrote...

Not so much that as it is buying a kid a new bike after running over their dog with your car.

... a year ago.

[hiraeth]

dreamgazer wrote...

iakus wrote...

Not so much that as it is buying a kid a new bike after running over their dog with your car.

... a year ago.

that dog was *really* important!

[Nightwriter]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...
If by crap DLC you mean a DLC that seems to have woven itself out of my fantasies then yes.

Look, seriously. Why were you expecting DLC that would alter the ending? I will believe the ending of ME3 was a BioWare brain fart until my dying day, but I was not, in any way, holding out for ending DLC. They have been painfully clear that it isn't happening. Believe me, I get that it's a kick in the gut to see the final nail put in the coffin at last, but we have been watching the hammer come down on that nail since post-EC.

This DLC is just about the best I could have realistically hoped for.

Apparently any DLC that doesn't change the ending is fail DLC, no matter how well written it could turn out to be, no matter how fun the gameplay section is, no matter how closely it aligns with all the other fan wishes besides post-ending DLC.

Honestly I am not in much of a position to judge that, considering up until now I have been uninterested in any DLC that does not have ME2 character content. That wasn't really voluntary on my part, I just couldn't become interested in more garnish when a main part of my experience was sorely missing. I probably still won't get Leviathan just because the Reaper plotline didn't end in a way that makes me interested in more backstory. So I understand that what constitutes "fail DLC" is pretty personal.

However these assertions that they weren't listening, don't care, or are solely motivated by the greed of a cold corporate superbrain are pretty silly. I have been b*tching about ME2 character content since game release, and they apparently went out and brought Taylor and Strahovski back. Which frankly blows my mind. I spent a year telling myself that would never ever in a bazillion years happen. They seem to have done about as much as they could short of admitting that their vision of the ending is incorrect.

[Steelcan]

nrobbiec wrote...

BurningIce wrote...

Really ? Final DLC and no fixed ending?

Can't fix what isn't broken.

. ME3's ending is beyond broken 

[TheProtheans]

TheViper8234 wrote...

BurningIce wrote...

It seems nowadays they only care about selling crap dlc and no longer care about their product or their fans. EA has taught them well.
.

People wanted  Ending DLC

They released Extended Cut

People wanted Omega DLC

They released Omega DLC 


People wanted Romance Content (Its pretty late but at least they listened) 

Now this .

Maybe endings are poor but you cant say bioware doesnt care about their fans . 

Shut the front door.
People wanted new/changed endings, they released an extended of the exisiting endings people disliked.

Bioware didn't make Omega because of fans as Omega was planned and worked on since way before the release of Mass effect 3.
If wanting Omega is Aria's story seeming purposedly empty so it could be cut from the game and sold for $15, then I guess we did want Omega so Bioware gave it to us.

It's not just Romance content, it is Romance content before the ending.

[TheRevanchist]

That settles it for me honestly. There is no possible way they can make me care about a conspiracy when I know how everything ends. The fact they are still giving us War Assets is also pathetic imo. You can call me whiny baby, a spoiled brat, an entitled douche or w/e else until your blue in the face. Quite frankly I don't care...because the ending has made everything before it completely pointless to me, and it saddens me the final nail in the coffin was given with more content that will mean very little. This is just the most asanine thing I have seen in a long while. "Woo everyones dying! lets go get **** faced and burn all our credits!"

btw...i never asked for a half assed Horde Mode Multiplayer, or a crap ton of DLC for it that does not affect me.

I never asked for an Omega DLC, and besides that Omega is complete garbage, it's nothing but a shooting gallery.
 
The Extended Cut is the only thing I asked for, and they were only partially successful.

Modifié par kylecouch, 27 février 2013 - 07:21 .

[Makrys]

TheViper8234 wrote...

BurningIce wrote...

It seems nowadays they only care about selling crap dlc and no longer care about their product or their fans. EA has taught them well.
.

Totally Disagreed, This DLC is clearly a fan service . 

People wanted play as Geth in MP

They added Geth

People wanted Collectors in MP 

They added Collectors

People wanted play as Volus in MP

They added Volus

People wanted  Ending DLC

They released Extended Cut

People wanted Omega DLC

They released Omega DLC 

People wanted play as Female Turian in MP 

They added Female Turian 

People wanted Romance Content (Its pretty late but at least they listened) 

Now this .

Maybe endings are poor but you cant say bioware doesnt care about their fans . 

Amen to all of this. People let the ending blind them to all else Bioware has done and continues to do for the fans. 

If people want to do nothing but complain, that's fine. I'll go enjoy all the DLC they'll be missing out on. No one cares about your crying at this point. The endings are not getting changed so just deal with it and move on.

[epenthesis]

TheProtheans wrote...
Shut the front door.
People wanted new/changed endings, they released an extended of the exisiting endings people disliked.

People hated the endings for a variety of different reasons: they were brief, confusing, illogical, bleak, barely distinguished from one another, and unconcerned with most of the choices players had made. The thing is...had they rolled out a completely different ending, people would be tearing that apart, whether because they liked the original ending or because their own particular concerns weren't addressed. Some wanted the ending to fork based on the culmination of previous choices, some wanted a completely happy ending, some wanted to return to the game world after the ending, and some wanted the IT validated. There would have been more screams of protest over a serious revision, if you can believe that.

Extending the existing endings to add variety and indicate how the plotlines resolved was about the best they could do under the circumstances--even if they were willing to endure the public disgrace of admitting that they'd screwed up so completely and utterly that they needed to redo something from scratch, they probably wouldn't be able to conceive of a sufficiently fan-pleasing new ending in the rush to get DLC out the door. (Remember that the original endings were written when they had the luxury of time.)

TL/DR: They gave us as much of what we asked for as they realistically could.

[Ieldra]

Nightwriter wrote...
However these assertions that they weren't listening, don't care, or are solely motivated by the greed of a cold corporate superbrain are pretty silly. I have been b*tching about ME2 character content since game release, and they apparently went out and brought Taylor and Strahovski back. Which frankly blows my mind. I spent a year telling myself that would never ever in a bazillion years happen. They seem to have done about as much as they could short of admitting that their vision of the ending is incorrect.

Indeed. ME2 team member content... :) (imagine about 100 more of these) I never thought it would happen. Generally, ME3 DLC has been full of good surprises. The EC made the ending OK, Leviathan added Reaper backstory, Omega let me save Petrovsky and ****** Aria off and added a class-specific interrupt for my main Shepard, now this. If the long shadow cast by the Catalyst scene (not even the endings as such) hadn't been so long in vanishing, I'd have been happy for 8 months with ME3 content. 

[Mcfly616]

People are still surprised that they're not releasing new endings or post-ending content?



Hmm must've been in denial for the past 8 months.

[ohaithere]

I didn't like the endings either but as nightwriter said, this DLC is everything I was looking for. People need to lighten up and give it a chance.

[Arkemedis]

epenthesis wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...
Shut the front door.
People wanted new/changed endings, they released an extended of the exisiting endings people disliked.

People hated the endings for a variety of different reasons: they were brief, confusing, illogical, bleak, barely distinguished from one another, and unconcerned with most of the choices players had made. The thing is...had they rolled out a completely different ending, people would be tearing that apart, whether because they liked the original ending or because their own particular concerns weren't addressed. Some wanted the ending to fork based on the culmination of previous choices, some wanted a completely happy ending, some wanted to return to the game world after the ending, and some wanted the IT validated. There would have been more screams of protest over a serious revision, if you can believe that.

Extending the existing endings to add variety and indicate how the plotlines resolved was about the best they could do under the circumstances--even if they were willing to endure the public disgrace of admitting that they'd screwed up so completely and utterly that they needed to redo something from scratch, they probably wouldn't be able to conceive of a sufficiently fan-pleasing new ending in the rush to get DLC out the door. (Remember that the original endings were written when they had the luxury of time.)

TL/DR: They gave us as much of what we asked for as they realistically could.

You're implying that they didn't do the ending crap on purpose for the sake of free marketing and creating a "genius", "artistic" ongoing contraversy because MUH INTEGRITY :o:o:wizard:
No. They did that and they will never admit they did.
Kudos to the people working on MP though because ME3 MP is one of the best on my list, with free DLC being pumped on a regular basis up until reckoning and ofcourse the weekend challenges, platinum, banners. collecters etc etc. 

[TheRevanchist]

Not everyone is willing to accept w/e is given to them with a Thank you and a smile.

[MattFini]

Mcfly616 wrote...

People are still surprised that they're not releasing new endings or post-ending content?



Hmm must've been in denial for the past 8 months.

While I agree with you that it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, it is a sobering reminder that many fans consider the ending so bad that they were hoping it would be fixed. 

[epenthesis]

Dexus Disaster wrote...
You're implying that they didn't do the ending crap on purpose for the sake of free marketing and creating a "genius", "artistic" ongoing contraversy because MUH INTEGRITY :o:o:wizard:
No. They did that and they will never admit they did.

Nowhere am I implying that, nor would I ever.

We know that they knew how badly they'd messed up; the ending was written over the objections of most of the writers, and there was no mistaking the response once Amazon reviews started going up. They spun the situation as best they could ("fans need more closure") and addressed the most uncontroversial, easily fixable complaints (differentiating the endings, adding the "refuse" option, and explaining/slightly retconning what happened in the aftermath of the Crucible) with free DLC. They might have held up "artistic integrity" to save face, but they chose to do what they did entirely because it was the safest course of action. As is holding firm about not touching the endings further, since they don't want to touch that hornet's nest again.

[johnj1979]

If you look at it BioWare could keep the DLC coming for a long time to come.

There if still a lot of fixing to come for ME 3 or is this just the case of cutting their losses now.

If you look at it there still need to be:

- a good ending to the game
- how and why the Collectors returned
- fixing the plot holes

I guess you can't fix ME 3 without rewriting it and then re-release it.

[Nightwriter]

Yes, yes, whatever we're given, thank you and a smile, blabbity blabbity bleh.

Because of course my appreciation of this DLC is backed up by a long and illustrious history of blind worship and unswerving praise of all BioWare material. As I was telling Casey Hudson, my good friend whom I have never made a joke at the expense of, only last month over tea -- "Oh long has Nightwriter graced these forums, strumming on her ukelele of positivity and thoughtless acceptance, casting aside the shackles of critique and complaint as she runs across the flowery meadow in slow motion to clasp to her bosom each new creative decision that BioWare delivereth from on high. Surely hath BioWare no greater friend than she."

[TheRevanchist]

My comment was directed at no in particular, so if you take offense to it thats your business. It was meant mearly for people who say "God stop ****ing, just be thankful your getting something."

[dreamgazer]

Nightwriter wrote...

Yes, yes, whatever we're given, thank you and a smile, blabbity blabbity bleh.

Because of course my appreciation of this DLC is backed up by a long and illustrious history of blind worship and unswerving praise of all BioWare material. As I was telling Casey Hudson, my good friend whom I have never made a joke at the expense of, only last month over tea -- "Oh long has Nightwriter graced these forums, strumming on her ukelele of positivity and thoughtless acceptance, casting aside the shackles of critique and complaint as she runs across the flowery meadow in slow motion to clasp to her bosom each new creative decision that BioWare delivereth from on high. Surely hath BioWare no greater friend than she."

[epenthesis]

Nightwriter wrote...
Yes, yes, whatever we're given, thank you and a smile, blabbity blabbity bleh.

If BioWare hadn't addressed the ending at all, sure; you'd have plenty of cause to yell, petition, boycott the DLC, whatever. But they did. They didn't do it in a way that ended up satisfying you, but they did it. You don't have to like it, but after they've made a serious attempt to make you happy, constantly (and I do mean constantly) whining for more is petty.

[Nightwriter]

epenthesis wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...
Yes, yes, whatever we're given, thank you and a smile, blabbity blabbity bleh.

If BioWare hadn't addressed the ending at all, sure; you'd have plenty of cause to yell, petition, boycott the DLC, whatever. But they did. They didn't do it in a way that ended up satisfying you, but they did it. You don't have to like it, but after they've made a serious attempt to make you happy, constantly (and I do mean constantly) whining for more is petty.

Yeah I literally have no idea what you're talking about. Why are you on about the EC? Did I mention the EC?

Regardless it is really not petty to keep expressing a desire for what you want when what is delivered leaves you understandably unsatisfied. It's just that some critics have really crappy attitudes and you're letting it make you think the complaint is inherently petulant.

[Iakus]

 Poor Nightwriter.  No fan of the endings, but Citadel DLC holds so much promise in another area of the game.  Now scorned by both sides 

[johnj1979]

the Extended Cut and Leviathan didn't improve on what was already there, in fact I think that DLC made thing worse

[johnj1979]

iakus wrote...

 Poor Nightwriter.  No fan of the endings, but Citadel DLC holds so much promise in another area of the game.  Now scorned by both sides 

is there a fan the ending