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[eoinnx03]

People fed up of constant ****ing on BSN, leave this place! Come to reddit. Shut the door behind you though.

[Nightwriter]

NO ONE UNDERSTANDS ME. NO ONE. I AM ALONE IN THIS WORLD.

[BurningIce]

Nightwriter wrote...

BurningIce wrote...

It seems nowadays they only care about selling crap dlc and no longer care about their product or their fans.

If by crap DLC you mean a DLC that seems to have woven itself out of my fantasies then yes.

Look, seriously. Why were you expecting DLC that would alter the ending? I will believe the ending of ME3 was a BioWare brain fart until my dying day, but I was not, in any way, holding out for ending DLC. They have been painfully clear that it isn't happening. Believe me, I get that it's a kick in the gut to see the final nail put in the coffin at last, but we have been watching the hammer come down on that nail since post-EC.

This DLC is just about the best I could have realistically hoped for.

I know exactly what you mean but up until this point i guess i've been in denial.

[KneeTheCap]

8 months in development + All writers + 4 gigs + 6+ hours of gameplay + Hale's "trust your writers" + high chance of tears + rekindling romances + all squadmates + no trailer + huge secrecy + "going out with a bang" = Social DLC with apartment options and a mission that happens in the middle of the game and does not affect the ending.

O.o

[epenthesis]

Nightwriter wrote...
Yeah I literally have no idea what you're talking about. Why are you on about the EC? Did I mention the EC?

Regardless it is really not petty to keep expressing a desire for what you want when what is delivered leaves you understandably unsatisfied. It's just that some critics have really crappy attitudes and you're letting it make you think the complaint is inherently petulant.

No, you didn't mention the EC, mostly because it would have undermined your point. BioWare made a good-faith effort to appease critics of the ending--that is, they listened to the complaints and addressed as many of them as they could without going completely back to the drawing board. And then they said that they were done with the matter, and a few people refused to listen.

You don't have to like what ended up being the ending. But continuing to demand that they tinker with the same material until it meets your specifications, raising the issue every time they offer something new, is, yes, petulant. The issue has been settled for the better part of a year.

[Voodoo2015]

MattFini wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

People are still surprised that they're not releasing new endings or post-ending content?



Hmm must've been in denial for the past 8 months.

While I agree with you that it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, it is a sobering reminder that many fans consider the ending so bad that they were hoping it would be fixed. 

But it is bad... The trilogy in hole is awesome.. The ending and DLC feels very rushed.

[Voodoo2015]

Steelcan wrote...

nrobbiec wrote...

BurningIce wrote...

Really ? Final DLC and no fixed ending?

Can't fix what isn't broken.

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ME3's ending is beyond broken 

What ending?

[BurningIce]

TheViper8234 wrote...

BurningIce wrote...

It seems nowadays they only care about selling crap dlc and no longer care about their product or their fans. EA has taught them well.
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Totally Disagreed, This DLC is clearly a fan service . 

People wanted play as Geth in MP

They added Geth

People wanted Collectors in MP 

They added Collectors

People wanted play as Volus in MP

They added Volus

People wanted  Ending DLC

They released Extended Cut

People wanted Omega DLC

They released Omega DLC 

People wanted play as Female Turian in MP 

They added Female Turian 

People wanted Romance Content (Its pretty late but at least they listened) 

Now this .

Maybe endings are poor but you cant say bioware doesnt care about their fans . 

Don't get me wrong i wellcome dlc my problem is not with that but parting with this incredibly good seeries, which i spent over a thousand hours on, in such a poorly maner . And i love dlc as long as it makes sense. More accent on the characters we loved from all of the seeries is a good thing, but knowing all thowse characters with all their different personalitys and personal stories which one of them would spend time in a casino while their planet is being torn apart by reapers. That is the part that doesent make sense. And even having a little more time with them will eventually lead to the point where nothing actually matters. Hell even if they want to keep the ending as it is it still could have been better. For example in the refusal ending an ingame cutscene with a final desperate assault, where everyone get's shot down in the blaze of glory. Or some in between action scenes with your war assets gathered troughout the entire campaign, because you do spend a lot of time searching and sidequesting to get all of them. Since there is no boss fight at the end at least the war assets cut scenes would count for something, and they would actually mean more than a number on the screen. So my main issue what not necessarely with completely replacing the endings but they could be improoved in so many ways since they want to stick with them. How hard would that have been ? 

[Nightwriter]

kylecouch wrote...

My comment was directed at no in particular, so if you take offense to it thats your business. It was meant mearly for people who say "God stop ****ing, just be thankful your getting something."

If it's directed at no one in particular it's easy to take it as a general statement toward all those challenging an attitude of contempt toward the DLC.

The statement that you should be grateful for this DLC when it does not give you what you want is ridiculous. However, so is the statement that this DLC is proof of BioWare's malice toward fans.

It would be like if they released a final DLC which had no ME2 character content, but:

- buffed up the conversation system so the problem of auto-dialogue was almost completely healed
- added an extended breath scene where Shepard’s teammates pull him out of the rubble
- revamped Priority: Earth

Such a DLC would fail to deliver the defibrillators I desperately need to shock-start my flatlining relationship with Mass Effect, and might well mark the end of the franchise's rapport with me. But even so I wouldn't be saying the DLC was proof they hadn’t listened to the fans or that they did not care.

BioWare didn't deliver your defribrillators. That sucks beyond words. Really. But I still think they get credit for listening and responding to alternate desires.

[Landon7001]

johnj1979 wrote...

the Extended Cut and Leviathan didn't improve on what was already there, in fact I think that DLC made thing worse

Could you explain how? I am NO FAN of the ending, it was devastating, but I coud not disagree more. In fact, all the dlcs have gone a long way to deepening, filling in and fleshing out the story. 

[Landon7001]

epenthesis wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...
Yeah I literally have no idea what you're talking about. Why are you on about the EC? Did I mention the EC?

Regardless it is really not petty to keep expressing a desire for what you want when what is delivered leaves you understandably unsatisfied. It's just that some critics have really crappy attitudes and you're letting it make you think the complaint is inherently petulant.

No, you didn't mention the EC, mostly because it would have undermined your point. BioWare made a good-faith effort to appease critics of the ending--that is, they listened to the complaints and addressed as many of them as they could without going completely back to the drawing board. And then they said that they were done with the matter, and a few people refused to listen.

You don't have to like what ended up being the ending. But continuing to demand that they tinker with the same material until it meets your specifications, raising the issue every time they offer something new, is, yes, petulant. The issue has been settled for the better part of a year.

I'll repeat: ALL the dlcs have gone  long way to fiiling in, fleshing out and deeping me 3 overall, including the ending. I feel much beeter about it than I did before the dlcs like EC and Leviathan. HOWEVER, this will NEVER be SETTLED. Make no mistake. It was one of the biggest **** over and screw ups in history, hence the unprecedented backlash movements....that ending was indefensible, inexplicable and unjustifiable. I say thank god for the ec.....but no, there still is no excuse for a series with such a high standard and trust previously to be tht bad in every way, logically to emotionally to ARTISTICALLY to the lies....sorry buddy.....something ppl loved deeply got utterly killed and robbed by its own creators....

[Venom man4]

I'm excited about the dlc but I can understand how people don't see a point to adding to the story if the end result is still the same. You feel whats the point of a conspiracy if you know it isn't going to help your Shepard's legacy any in the long run.

[UrgentArchengel]

As much as I've loved every DLC (with Omega to a lesser extent), you can't help but agree that they all feel way too important, and are in fact cut content (From Ashes/Omega obviously) from the plot. I'd love a DLC that doesn't impact the plot any, and is for a fact, a side story. Like most of the ME2 DLCs. Maybe it's because ME3 is too vanilla.

[Shepard108278]

Voodoo2015 wrote...

MattFini wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

People are still surprised that they're not releasing new endings or post-ending content?



Hmm must've been in denial for the past 8 months.

While I agree with you that it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, it is a sobering reminder that many fans consider the ending so bad that they were hoping it would be fixed. 

But it is bad... The trilogy in hole is awesome.. The ending and DLC feels very rushed.

In your opinion. People keep forgetting that.

[zombieord]

Landon7001 wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

the Extended Cut and Leviathan didn't improve on what was already there, in fact I think that DLC made thing worse

Could you explain how? I am NO FAN of the ending, it was devastating, but I coud not disagree more. In fact, all the dlcs have gone a long way to deepening, filling in and fleshing out the story. 

Adding your foreshadowing after the fact is a sign you screwed up in the first place. They had to create more bad logic and plot devices to explain the bad logic and plot devices that already exist. Also, there are still questions unanswered (where did the Crucible come from, why would the Reapers ignore it, IS SHEPARD ALIVE OR DEAD).

It's baffling. 

[Shepard108278]

zombieord wrote...

Landon7001 wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

the Extended Cut and Leviathan didn't improve on what was already there, in fact I think that DLC made thing worse

Could you explain how? I am NO FAN of the ending, it was devastating, but I coud not disagree more. In fact, all the dlcs have gone a long way to deepening, filling in and fleshing out the story. 

Adding your foreshadowing after the fact is a sign you screwed up in the first place. They had to create more bad logic and plot devices to explain the bad logic and plot devices that already exist. Also, there are still questions unanswered (where did the Crucible come from, why would the Reapers ignore it, IS SHEPARD ALIVE OR DEAD).

It's baffling. 

I don't agree and those questions are answered.

[Zagardal]

KneeTheCap wrote...

8 months in development + All writers + 4 gigs + 6+ hours of gameplay + Hale's "trust your writers" + high chance of tears + rekindling romances + all squadmates + no trailer + huge secrecy + "going out with a bang" = Social DLC with apartment options and a mission that happens in the middle of the game and does not affect the ending.

O.o

This. We get to play the sims either during the war, which makes no sense if you consider how much of a middle finger that would be to the plot (I know there's people dying, but hey, lets recarpet my apartment and get drunk playing blackjack), or it will take place after the ending, which would rattle the hornet's nest in an even more ludicrous way (unlikely). I know there's supposed to be a subplot in there, but if it is as disconnected and linear as Omega, there's not much hope to be had. Flashy and dynamic does not compensate for plot development, at least not in a ME game.

[nrobbiec]

"high chance of tears" was referring to the soundtrack not the plot

[Kunari801]

Zagardal wrote...

KneeTheCap wrote...

8 months in development + All writers + 4 gigs + 6+ hours of gameplay + Hale's "trust your writers" + high chance of tears + rekindling romances + all squadmates + no trailer + huge secrecy + "going out with a bang" = Social DLC with apartment options and a mission that happens in the middle of the game and does not affect the ending.

O.o

This. We get to play the sims either during the war, which makes no sense if you consider how much of a middle finger that would be to the plot (I know there's people dying, but hey, lets recarpet my apartment and get drunk playing blackjack), or it will take place after the ending, which would rattle the hornet's nest in an even more ludicrous way (unlikely). I know there's supposed to be a subplot in there, but if it is as disconnected and linear as Omega, there's not much hope to be had. Flashy and dynamic does not compensate for plot development, at least not in a ME game.

At this point I'd rather head-canon the ending than trust BW to make it better.   There are ideas for Shepard returning even with Control/Synthesis besides just the high EMS Destroy.  Would I rather of had BW fix the endings?  Yes, back when they did the EC, but they didn't, now it's up to us players to head-canon or mod it.  Sucks but that's the situation. 

[Iakus]

Nightwriter wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

My comment was directed at no in particular, so if you take offense to it thats your business. It was meant mearly for people who say "God stop ****ing, just be thankful your getting something."

If it's directed at no one in particular it's easy to take it as a general statement toward all those challenging an attitude of contempt toward the DLC.

The statement that you should be grateful for this DLC when it does not give you what you want is ridiculous. However, so is the statement that this DLC is proof of BioWare's malice toward fans.

It would be like if they released a final DLC which had no ME2 character content, but:

- buffed up the conversation system so the problem of auto-dialogue was almost completely healed
- added an extended breath scene where Shepard’s teammates pull him out of the rubble
- revamped Priority: Earth

Such a DLC would fail to deliver the defibrillators I desperately need to shock-start my flatlining relationship with Mass Effect, and might well mark the end of the franchise's rapport with me. But even so I wouldn't be saying the DLC was proof they hadn’t listened to the fans or that they did not care.

BioWare didn't deliver your defribrillators. That sucks beyond words. Really. But I still think they get credit for listening and responding to alternate desires.

Bah, if they really listened there'd be dinosaurs in this dlc...





There's going to be dinosaurs in this dlc, isn't there? 

[UrgentArchengel]

Dinosaurs FTW!

[Nightwriter]

Remember that weird dinosaur skull you found on that uncharted planet in ME1, that did not match any known animal life from the planet?

IT WILL RETURN VOICED BY SEAN CONNERY.

[Nightwriter]

Also, to people complaining that there's a war on: what do you think about pastels for my apartment drapes? I'm looking at color swatches right now and I can't decide between June Day and Last Sunset. But Spun Gold doesn't look bad either... I don't know, I'm having this whole "am I summer or a spring?" crisis, you know?

[UrgentArchengel]

I want a nice deep blue, and white for my Bedsheets.

[iOnlySignIn]

Nightwriter wrote...

Also, to people complaining that there's a war on: what do you think about pastels for my apartment drapes? I'm looking at color swatches right now and I can't decide between June Day and Last Sunset. But Spun Gold doesn't look bad either... I don't know, I'm having this whole "am I summer or a spring?" crisis, you know?

Sith Crimson.