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Announcing the final ME3 Single Player DLC - Citadel!

Débuté par Chris Priestly , févr. 21 2013 04:32

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Posté 28 février 2013 - 08:48

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Zagardal wrote...

So just because they put their backs into it nobody can criticize their work? the one their actually charging us for?
Don't know about you, but as much as I like to think about videogames as pieces of art they're still a product, and since I'm buying it I have a right to voice my opinion. And if a product is mediocre, just saying "aww, but look at all the effort" doesn't make it better, that's just evidence of inefficiency. I'm not saying ME3 is mediocre, as a whole is actually a great game, but there are many mediocre parts to it and as a consumer that's spent waaay more time and money that I should have playing this games out of love for the franchise I have to state my discontempt.


State your discontent all you want. I don't care if you want to say ME3 is mediocre (though I will debate you on that because I believe you are totally wrong). I believe the "remember they are human" line of thinking sprouts from crap like believing that BioWare should do whatever the fans want, when they want it.

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Posté 28 février 2013 - 09:42

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Had thought this was a one time DLC that you could not go back to again. Knowing now that I can go back to it after missions, it sounds like there is a lot of RPG fun to be had and makes it worth the money just to get that but it's kind of sad that it wasn't part of the game and came out last. I think I would have been more willing to not care about the ending if I had this RPG oriented DLC sooner, like after Leviathan. Then I would have had something I really wanted much sooner rather than having to wait so long for it.

I wasn't going to 'waste' the money, but now, for the added fun of RPG stuff that I missed since ME1, it's worth the money I'll toss on something else anyway.

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Posté 28 février 2013 - 10:03

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CronoDragoon wrote...

Zagardal wrote...

So just because they put their backs into it nobody can criticize their work? the one their actually charging us for?
Don't know about you, but as much as I like to think about videogames as pieces of art they're still a product, and since I'm buying it I have a right to voice my opinion. And if a product is mediocre, just saying "aww, but look at all the effort" doesn't make it better, that's just evidence of inefficiency. I'm not saying ME3 is mediocre, as a whole is actually a great game, but there are many mediocre parts to it and as a consumer that's spent waaay more time and money that I should have playing this games out of love for the franchise I have to state my discontempt.


State your discontent all you want. I don't care if you want to say ME3 is mediocre (though I will debate you on that because I believe you are totally wrong). I believe the "remember they are human" line of thinking sprouts from crap like believing that BioWare should do whatever the fans want, when they want it.


I didn't say it was mediocre, I said there were mediocre parts to it, there's a difference. And though I too agree with the "remember they're human" idea, it's a bit clashes with the idea that they're making games to "make us happy", which is what I was referencing.

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Posté 28 février 2013 - 10:23

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So, no trailer this week. Maybe Monday?

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Posté 28 février 2013 - 11:08

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Daniel_N7 wrote...

So, no trailer this week. Maybe Monday?

That's what I'm hoping for!

I hope it's super epic, and that they use another Two Steps From Hell track!! I love all the DLC trailers.

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Posté 28 février 2013 - 11:32

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Holger1405 wrote...

DreviZion wrote...

As a gamer, indie writer, and a fan, I apologize for all the hate/negative feedback, Bioware; You hard working men and women are entitled to make your games the best way you see fit whether this fan-base wants to except it or not. Keep in mind though that where there are haters, there are also excited fans who are eagerly awaiting for the next adventure to come.


+2


I agree to an extent. HOWEVER the ending's sloppiness, plot and logic holes, the abandonment of the series' own themes and importance of characters, detail and choice and overall poor quality is INEXCUSABLE and always will be. The bad attitude towards passionate fans and all the bold-faced lies : ditto. They have EARNED the unprecedented backlash movements. 

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Posté 28 février 2013 - 11:35

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ME 3 is a good game in an all time great series. Theres very little I love more than this series. However it was littered with dissapointments and betrayl. PERIOD.

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Posté 28 février 2013 - 11:38

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thats quite different than "expecting them to do every last thing you want" I dont believe ive ever seen anyone expecting or wanting that....again, theyve earned the unprecedented backlash....i think the ppl taking things to the BBB had all the right in the world, the lies were frequent and blatant....something somewehere went wrong with this company, EA or whatever

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Posté 01 mars 2013 - 12:05

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Zagardal wrote...

So just because they put their backs into it nobody can criticize their work? the one their actually charging us for?
Don't know about you, but as much as I like to think about videogames as pieces of art they're still a product, and since I'm buying it I have a right to voice my opinion. And if a product is mediocre, just saying "aww, but look at all the effort" doesn't make it better, that's just evidence of inefficiency. I'm not saying ME3 is mediocre, as a whole is actually a great game, but there are many mediocre parts to it and as a consumer that's spent waaay more time and money that I should have playing this games out of love for the franchise I have to state my discontempt.

Of course there are people who are self-entitled jerks who go way out of line, but there's a big chunk of people in the middle with legitimate criticism. And remember, they're not making games to "make us happy", they're making games to exercise and perfect their craft, to grow as people, to tell a story and, god forbid, to make some money; making people happy is part of that process (after all, it is a product), but not the final objective (remember that whole bit about artistic integrity). You talk about their work as if it were altruism when it's clearly not; there is no such thing as a completely selfless act, everything we do affects our ego. This isn't charity, they are getting something tangible in return.



I never said that you or anyone else couldn't critize their work so stop trying to twist my words around in order to justify your claim/support this immature, arrogant, nonsense. As a consumer and a "fan", you have every right to choose not to buy their product so don't come on here acting like Bioware owes you something when they don't. Just because you didn't like the way the product was made, it doesn't mean that the product is bad and should be changed all because you say-so. You know David Gaider was right about these forums being toxic and all, every damn topic posted within this site turns into an all out self entitled war. Whatever happened to being open minded toward others? 

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Posté 01 mars 2013 - 12:47

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DreviZion wrote...

Zagardal wrote...

So just because they put their backs into it nobody can criticize their work? the one their actually charging us for?
Don't know about you, but as much as I like to think about videogames as pieces of art they're still a product, and since I'm buying it I have a right to voice my opinion. And if a product is mediocre, just saying "aww, but look at all the effort" doesn't make it better, that's just evidence of inefficiency. I'm not saying ME3 is mediocre, as a whole is actually a great game, but there are many mediocre parts to it and as a consumer that's spent waaay more time and money that I should have playing this games out of love for the franchise I have to state my discontempt.

Of course there are people who are self-entitled jerks who go way out of line, but there's a big chunk of people in the middle with legitimate criticism. And remember, they're not making games to "make us happy", they're making games to exercise and perfect their craft, to grow as people, to tell a story and, god forbid, to make some money; making people happy is part of that process (after all, it is a product), but not the final objective (remember that whole bit about artistic integrity). You talk about their work as if it were altruism when it's clearly not; there is no such thing as a completely selfless act, everything we do affects our ego. This isn't charity, they are getting something tangible in return.



I never said that you or anyone else couldn't critize their work so stop trying to twist my words around in order to justify your claim/support this immature, arrogant, nonsense. As a consumer and a "fan", you have every right to choose not to buy their product so don't come on here acting like Bioware owes you something when they don't. Just because you didn't like the way the product was made, it doesn't mean that the product is bad and should be changed all because you say-so. You know David Gaider was right about these forums being toxic and all, every damn topic posted within this site turns into an all out self entitled war. Whatever happened to being open minded toward others? 


I never said they owe me and I never said the product is bad, stop twisting my words. Besides that, you completely avoided the point. And I have the right to not buy the product? how is that an argument, if I don't buy it I can't criticize it (and criticism can be good or bad, you seem to be forgeting about that). Let's discuss the movie we didn't see, yeah, that makes sense.

And how come my claims are immature and arrogant? did you even bother to read them?

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Posté 01 mars 2013 - 01:04

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Landon 7001 wrote...

I agree to an extent. HOWEVER the ending's sloppiness, plot and logic holes, the abandonment of the series' own themes and importance of characters, detail and choice and overall poor quality is INEXCUSABLE and always will be. The bad attitude towards passionate fans and all the bold-faced lies : ditto. They have EARNED the unprecedented backlash movements. 


Oh don't me wrong, Mass Effect 3 does have its flaws, however... coming on here and constantly arguing with one another isn't going to solve nor fix anything. Everyone makes mistakes, you just have to move on and do better the next time around; Though keep in mind that living in the past isn't going to accomplish any of that.

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Posté 01 mars 2013 - 01:08

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Despite  what anyone's opinions are on the BW games, just remember that they ultimately answer to EA. It's more likely that BioWare did as much as humanly possible to deliver fans with the game that many wanted.

I would like to see these forums become a tool that BioWare can use to garner the support and TIME that they need from EA. It feels wrong going after BW for flaws that were probably the result of some executive descisions.

Let's face facts, it's not like an employee of BioWare would ever actually come out and publically announce that the guy paying them was actually at fault. If you've ever been stuck between a rock and a hard place, then this is the perfect time to support the people at BW who were probably fighting for the same things you were.

It's so bloody obvious that the BW team feels the same way we do. As fans it's up to us to TAKE A HINT. I don't believe BW was responsible for dropping the ball... because they care so much about what we as fans are saying. 

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Posté 01 mars 2013 - 01:33

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I think you guys want to rip us off again by selling us something that was supposed to be shipped in with the game.

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Posté 01 mars 2013 - 02:04

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zAlmightyMeehow wrote...

I think you guys want to rip us off again by selling us something that was supposed to be shipped in with the game.


Yep, that's what happened... the BW team was really spending all of their time scheming about how to rip off the fans that they so obviously care about about... I should tell you to grow a brain, instead I'll enlighten you. The employees at BW will continue to be paid regardless if you buy the dlc or not.
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Posté 01 mars 2013 - 02:52

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DreviZion wrote...

Landon 7001 wrote...

I agree to an extent. HOWEVER the ending's sloppiness, plot and logic holes, the abandonment of the series' own themes and importance of characters, detail and choice and overall poor quality is INEXCUSABLE and always will be. The bad attitude towards passionate fans and all the bold-faced lies : ditto. They have EARNED the unprecedented backlash movements. 


Oh don't me wrong, Mass Effect 3 does have its flaws, however... coming on here and constantly arguing with one another isn't going to solve nor fix anything. Everyone makes mistakes, you just have to move on and do better the next time around; Though keep in mind that living in the past isn't going to accomplish any of that.


I'm not living in the past. I've come to terms with it. In fact, after the dlcs and ec {which all should have been in the original game ; ) ), I like me 3 as much or more than ever, It is an overall good game. I still want to like it more than I do b/c I so love the series but....ONE THING THOUGH, to say that ending and all the other aspects of the me 3 fiasco is a simple "MISTAKE" is the understatement of the century. ; )

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Posté 01 mars 2013 - 03:26

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Just got to thinking. Anyone else hoping to have more acknowledgement of the LI from the crew? Like maybe a scene at Shepard's apartment with the crew and the LI kisses Shepard in front of all the crew there?

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Posté 01 mars 2013 - 03:30

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draken-heart wrote...

Just got to thinking. Anyone else hoping to have more acknowledgement of the LI from the crew? Like maybe a scene at Shepard's apartment with the crew and the LI kisses Shepard in front of all the crew there?


Cue 90's sitcom cliché audience reaction.

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Posté 01 mars 2013 - 03:36

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UrgentArchengel wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

Just got to thinking. Anyone else hoping to have more acknowledgement of the LI from the crew? Like maybe a scene at Shepard's apartment with the crew and the LI kisses Shepard in front of all the crew there?


Cue 90's sitcom cliché audience reaction.


lol

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Posté 01 mars 2013 - 06:01

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Zagardal wrote...

I never said they owe me and I never said the product is bad, stop twisting my words. Besides that, you completely avoided the point. And I have the right to not buy the product? how is that an argument, if I don't buy it I can't criticize it (and criticism can be good or bad, you seem to be forgeting about that). Let's discuss the movie we didn't see, yeah, that makes sense.

And how come my claims are immature and arrogant? did you even bother to read them?


I wasn't trying to argue to begin with. You're the one who's picking arguements on a stupid forum all because you disagreed with me and whoever else; That itself is immature and arrogant. All I did was apologize to a company that I admire, (for all the negativety) and what do I get? I get harrassed by the likes of you... If you have anything to say to me from here on forward, you can take it up with my secretary, Reported. She's a very lovely lady who so happens to be very good at what she does. Shall I introduce you to her? 
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Landon7001 wrote...

I'm not living in the past. I've come to terms with it. In fact, after the dlcs and ec {which all should have been in the original game ; ) ), I like me 3 as much or more than ever, It is an overall good game. I still want to like it more than I do b/c I so love the series but....ONE THING THOUGH, to say that ending and all the other aspects of the me 3 fiasco is a simple "MISTAKE" is the understatement of the century. ; )


 Regarding Mass Effect 3 downloadable content: I agree that the Mass Effect 3 dlc should've been launched on disc as well due to them taking place before the final mission and all. The N7 Edition should've came with a season pass or something. (In my opnion)  In all though, Bioware made up for it with all the free, awesome multiplayer stuff so I can't complain. I just wish that Mass Effect 3's dlc would've been along the lines of something like Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening, etc...  It is what it though; That's what the future Mass Effect games are their for.

As for the Mass Effect 3 plot holes and such: I think a lot of it has to do with the leaked scripted and all rather than Bioware's "lack of effort". A leaked scripted tends to do a lot of damage in the long run if you think about it. Also keep in mind that they probably had EA rushing them prior to the release date. Regardless of all the drama though, Mass Effect is one of the best (If not the best) scifi rpg's in gaming history. We can thank the very talented Bioware for that. 
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Ps: I apologize for all the miscommunication before; I did not mean to imply anything, it's just that... *Whispers* someone is out to get me... I think I'm being stalked... I can't say names as I fear for my inbox. 
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draken-heart wrote...

Just got to thinking. Anyone else hoping to have more acknowledgement of the LI from the crew? Like maybe a scene at Shepard's apartment with the crew and the LI kisses Shepard in front of all the crew there?


I'm a huge fan of Ashley who had Shepard romance her since the original Mass Effect so therefore, I would love more interaction with the love interest. This is coming from a 20 year old guy... lol. 
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Posté 01 mars 2013 - 06:55

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Any trailer or new news on this?

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mass perfection wrote...

Any trailer or new news on this?


Nothing yet. If anything, keep checking back from time to time. Take care.

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mass perfection wrote...

Any trailer or new news on this?


Good question... At this point I think most of the stuff on the forums is just speculation, circular arguments, and desperate Thanemancers. Nothing concrete -_-. Although, the thanemancer forum is mildly amusing... whatever you do don't call Thane a zombie, you'll never hear the end of it.

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Posté 01 mars 2013 - 07:20

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DreviZion wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

Just got to thinking. Anyone else hoping to have more acknowledgement of the LI from the crew? Like maybe a scene at Shepard's apartment with the crew and the LI kisses Shepard in front of all the crew there?


I'm a huge fan of Ashley who had Shepard romance her since the original Mass Effect so therefore, I would love more interaction with the love interest. This is coming from a 20 year old guy... lol. 
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what is with the vomit emoticon? You find the idea sick, or yourself?
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