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[alsonamedbort]

Ryoten wrote...

The people who like the endings and like ME3, are people who joined the series at a later date.  

This just simply isn't true.

[babachewie]

Ryoten wrote...

Mass Effect will go on, but it will go on with a different audience. The people who like the endings and like ME3, are people who joined the series at a later date. For them, the game was revolutionary. For those who started at ME1, the game was watered down.

Like most games owned by EA, Mass Effect (and possibly even Dragon Age) will be more of a cash cow game. It will have people buy into it, but they will buy into because they're pleased with mediocre. To them mediocre is amazing because, well for them it is. They never experienced the joy of the series when we did.

I've been with Mass Effect since its release and beaten it over 10 times. I Also liked ME3 and the ending so I guess you're wrong. I preemptively accept your apology. 

[El Mito]

thepeaguy wrote...

While people continue to cry and moan about how ME3 concluded the trilogy, I'll buy the next game.

It's funny how disgruntled consumers act like they're experts at making video games yet haven't made a successful franchise in their meagre existence.

All because you didn't get a final boss fight with Martin Sheen. Rofl.

You couldn't be more off if you tried. Bravo.

[AllThatJazz]

iakus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

iakus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
I'm not sure there's evidence that they don't understand. Understanding why you feel the way you do wouldn't necessarily mean that they should do anything about it.

I'd say EC is at least circumstantial evidence that they don't, given how easy it would have been to implement changes that might have made the endings far more tolerable without significantly changing the endings themselves.  Instead, we got a layer of sugar on the exact same endings.

Which changes would those be, again?

My personal favorite:

For High EMS  Destroy: as LI hesitates to put Shepard's name on the wall, have message come in over the intercom:  Shepard has been fund alive, cut to Normandy taking off.  Replace breath scene with EDI's "corpse" as the eyes flicker for a moment.

One altered scene, one additional line.

I like the sound of that too. In fact, you are pretty much describing my headcanon. But the problem is, it basically removes the 'downside' that is currently unique to Destroy, thereby rendering the other endings pointless. Shep definitely lives, and the strong implication is that so does EDI and therefore the Geth. Why would anyone choose Control or Synthesis if everything they wanted could be achieved by Destroy? I guess Bio wanted the choices to all carry an incredibly big sacrifice - which one of these appalling prices is Shepard prepared to pay in order to end the war? As much as I would love Bio to do something like this, it would be very irritating to those who see Control/Synthesis as valid alternatives.

[10K]

Ryoten wrote...

The people who like the endings and like ME3, are people who joined the series at a later date.  

Nope. I've been playing ME since #1 the ending (mostly control) is fine with me. The only thing I disliked about the game is the lack of Jack. It seems this may be  fixed, so after this DLC launch I think I'll be satisfied;)

[thepeaguy]

El Mito wrote...

thepeaguy wrote...

While people continue to cry and moan about how ME3 concluded the trilogy, I'll buy the next game.

It's funny how disgruntled consumers act like they're experts at making video games yet haven't made a successful franchise in their meagre existence.

All because you didn't get a final boss fight with Martin Sheen. Rofl.

You couldn't be more off if you tried. Bravo.

The humour in my last statement is lost on you.

All that complaining is destroying your joy of things that are fun, bro.

Mass Effect will go on, but it will go on with a different audience.
The people who like the endings and like ME3, are people who joined the
series at a later date. For them, the game was revolutionary. For
those who started at ME1, the game was watered down.

Like most
games owned by EA, Mass Effect (and possibly even Dragon Age) will be
more of a cash cow game. It will have people buy into it, but they will
buy into because they're pleased with mediocre. To them mediocre is
amazing because, well for them it is. They never experienced the joy of
the series when we did.

This is what makes me laugh about the purist tards like you. Playing ME2 or 3 before playing 1 means that my opinion of liking ME3 is invalid. If I played ME1, I'd be a cynical, self-important **** who knows best.

I played ME1 and it's glitchy as ****. The first chapter's storytelling isn't as interesting as these fans make it out to be (DREW IZA GAWD10101010101), the co-op mechanics are ****ty and the Mako travelling is tedious as hell. Above-average like CoD games in my book.

Modifié par thepeaguy, 22 février 2013 - 09:46 .

[dorktainian]

as it stands I find the ending (taken in the literal sense) utterly insulting on the games audience. I've played through 1,2, & 3 and to be quite frank, the way that ME3 ends almost invalidates the whole series. It's just so bad. Choices? gone. pointless. you're dead. end of story.

There are other theories about the ending. I'm just talking about the literal ending.

[oblique9]

mosesarose wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

The people who like the endings and like ME3, are people who joined the series at a later date.  

Nope. I've been playing ME since #1 the ending (mostly control) is fine with me. The only thing I disliked about the game is the lack of Jack. It seems this may be  fixed, so after this DLC launch I think I'll be satisfied;)

I think he's generalizing, and I believe that generalization to be true.

I suspect most of their market in the upcoming "ME4" or whatever they call it will be people who were not on board with the series from the beginning.

They made some choices with the ending that made lots and lots of people who played the first two games upset. They chose to stand by those choices, so people who were made upset (myself included) are probably alot less likely to buy future games from the same people who made the choices that made us disatisfied with the game in the first place.

[Iakus]

AllThatJazz wrote...

I like the sound of that too. In fact, you are pretty much describing my headcanon. But the problem is, it basically removes the 'downside' that is currently unique to Destroy, thereby rendering the other endings pointless. Shep definitely lives, and the strong implication is that so does EDI and therefore the Geth. Why would anyone choose Control or Synthesis if everything they wanted could be achieved by Destroy? I guess Bio wanted the choices to all carry an incredibly big sacrifice - which one of these appalling prices is Shepard prepared to pay in order to end the war? As much as I would love Bio to do something like this, it would be very irritating to those who see Control/Synthesis as valid alternatives.

Because control gets their Invincible Fleet of Space Cthulhu to watch over the galaxy
and
Synthesis gets their Perfect Understanding Between Organics and Synthetics

Both also get Reapers to rebuild the relays for them

Destroy the younger races have to rebuild everything themselves and deal with the possibility that the Catalyst may be right, and the peace won't last.  That's already a sacrifice:  you're rejecting everything the Reapers have to offer.

But there are ways to make Control and Synthesis more palatable.  But right now I have to go to work.

[El Mito]

thepeaguy wrote...

El Mito wrote...

thepeaguy wrote...

While people continue to cry and moan about how ME3 concluded the trilogy, I'll buy the next game.

It's funny how disgruntled consumers act like they're experts at making video games yet haven't made a successful franchise in their meagre existence.

All because you didn't get a final boss fight with Martin Sheen. Rofl.

You couldn't be more off if you tried. Bravo.

The humour in my last statement is lost on you.

All that complaining is destroying your joy of things that are fun, bro.

Backpeddling already, bro. Try forming an actual argument, bro. I'm not your bro, bro.

Modifié par El Mito, 22 février 2013 - 09:48 .

[alsonamedbort]

oblique9 wrote...

mosesarose wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

The people who like the endings and like ME3, are people who joined the series at a later date.  

Nope. I've been playing ME since #1 the ending (mostly control) is fine with me. The only thing I disliked about the game is the lack of Jack. It seems this may be  fixed, so after this DLC launch I think I'll be satisfied;)

I think he's generalizing, and I believe that generalization to be true.

I suspect most of their market in the upcoming "ME4" or whatever they call it will be people who were not on board with the series from the beginning.

They made some choices with the ending that made lots and lots of people who played the first two games upset. They chose to stand by those choices, so people who were made upset (myself included) are probably alot less likely to buy future games from the same people who made the choices that made us disatisfied with the game in the first place.

What's vaguely offensive about this generalization is that it assumes that no rational person who has played ME since it came out could like ME3 or want to play ME4 (I say vaguely because in the grand scheme of things it's not a big deal, but come on).

[thepeaguy]

El Mito wrote...

thepeaguy wrote...

El Mito wrote...

thepeaguy wrote...

While people continue to cry and moan about how ME3 concluded the trilogy, I'll buy the next game.

It's funny how disgruntled consumers act like they're experts at making video games yet haven't made a successful franchise in their meagre existence.

All because you didn't get a final boss fight with Martin Sheen. Rofl.

You couldn't be more off if you tried. Bravo.

The humour in my last statement is lost on you.

All that complaining is destroying your joy of things that are fun, bro.

Backpeddling already, bro. Try forming an actual argument, bro. I'm not your bro, bro.

Not one for solidarity then, bro.

Already did. Don't like my argument? Couldn't give a toss. The hell are you supposed to be anyway? LOL.

[Zavox]

alsonamedbort wrote...

oblique9 wrote...

mosesarose wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

The people who like the endings and like ME3, are people who joined the series at a later date.  

Nope. I've been playing ME since #1 the ending (mostly control) is fine with me. The only thing I disliked about the game is the lack of Jack. It seems this may be  fixed, so after this DLC launch I think I'll be satisfied;)

I think he's generalizing, and I believe that generalization to be true.

I suspect most of their market in the upcoming "ME4" or whatever they call it will be people who were not on board with the series from the beginning.

They made some choices with the ending that made lots and lots of people who played the first two games upset. They chose to stand by those choices, so people who were made upset (myself included) are probably alot less likely to buy future games from the same people who made the choices that made us disatisfied with the game in the first place.

What's vaguely offensive about this generalization is that it assumes that no rational person who has played ME since it came out could like ME3 or want to play ME4 (I say vaguely because in the grand scheme of things it's not a big deal, but come on).

While it may be offensive, but I can't honestly fathom how anyone can see the ending as being logical.

[alsonamedbort]

Zavox wrote...

While it may be offensive, but I can't honestly fathom how anyone can see the ending as being logical.

And I can't fathom how someone's perspective could be so limited that they can't imagine people thinking differently from them.

[Berty213]

thepeaguy wrote...

El Mito wrote...

thepeaguy wrote...

El Mito wrote...

thepeaguy wrote...

While people continue to cry and moan about how ME3 concluded the trilogy, I'll buy the next game.

It's funny how disgruntled consumers act like they're experts at making video games yet haven't made a successful franchise in their meagre existence.

All because you didn't get a final boss fight with Martin Sheen. Rofl.

You couldn't be more off if you tried. Bravo.

The humour in my last statement is lost on you.

All that complaining is destroying your joy of things that are fun, bro.

Backpeddling already, bro. Try forming an actual argument, bro. I'm not your bro, bro.

Not one for solidarity then, bro.

Already did. Don't like my argument? Couldn't give a toss. The hell are you supposed to be anyway? LOL.

Don't you just love how the topic of the ending brings us all together 

[archangel1996]

Mass Effect will not die, it will not become a classic either
It will just be another saga ruined for the money

Modifié par archangel1996, 22 février 2013 - 09:57 .

[jamesp81]

Arbiter156 wrote...

thats assuming 'citadel" does nothing to adress the ending, honestly i apprieciate the new content and it does look well crafted and considered, however with the ending as it is and the fanbase deeply divided the series is going to suffer, no way around that.

the simplest way for bioware to allieviate a huge portion of the Anti-enders grievences with the ending would be to add victory through refuse (followed by some scenes of your war assets and a epilogue showing shepard and Co's fate) far from a perfect solution but such a small change would pay dividends for bioware and its fanbase.

sorry to be a downer but thats where i stand.

thanks bioware for an amazing series, its a shame if it ends like this, if you want to leave it as it is i'm fine with that, but i doubt i could return and i believe the same would go for many of your long term fans.

sincerely Arbiter156 a concerned fan.


Poll: (do you think bioware should have done something?) here

You are correct about the bad taste.  I'm probably not going to spend any more money with Bioware at this point, not unless DA3 exhibits the greatness that made ME1 and DAO great.

They will never change anything about the endings, however.  That's just not going to happen.  I know that years down the road when I'm waxing all nostalgic, I'll go back and play 1 and 2.  I won't bother with 3.

[Chashan]

I like the sound of that too. In fact, you are pretty much describing my
headcanon. But the problem is, it basically removes the 'downside' that
is currently unique to Destroy, thereby rendering the other endings
pointless. Shep definitely lives, and the strong implication is that so
does EDI and therefore the Geth. Why would anyone choose Control or
Synthesis if everything they wanted could be achieved by Destroy? I
guess Bio wanted the choices to all carry an incredibly big sacrifice -
which one of these appalling prices is Shepard prepared to pay in order
to end the war? As much as I would love Bio to do something like this,
it would be very irritating to those who see Control/Synthesis as valid
alternatives.

Hardly. Blue and Green offer what one can expect, at the end of the day:

Blue, Shepards succeed the Catalyst and instate what amounts to a God-Imperium. What the "God-Construct's" minions shall be used for, following the reconstruction of the relays and possibly more beyond that, well...with its ambiente, I have a hard time thinking it will be a "bright", "sheltered" future.

Green...it is utopia, a "new age" achieved by Shepards' sacrifice. That being necessary for whatever voodoo-y reason.


Both, even as is, are clearly more on the fantastic side of things. Some people like that, many, as it would seem, don't. So, is there truly that much "wrong" with leaving pointless ballast on the way-side, which the arbitrary penalty of Red comes across as? Even with the iteration of Red that is present, one is at liberty to take Hackett's quote quite literally:
"We can rebuild everything that was destroyed."

If it truly is merely about satisfying some "balance" within a statistic of final choice taken...I would argue someone needs to rethink their priorities, in that case.

Modifié par Chashan, 22 février 2013 - 09:58 .

[thepeaguy]

I propose an ending to nuke all of the whiners of the ME3 ending.

[LostInReverie19]

 Mass Effect doesn't have an ending to me, not after the cluster**** that was BioWare's "artistic integrity." Everyone involved in the creation of the original ending deserves to be fired. It's completely obvious to me now that when BioWare talks about "artistic integrity", what they really mean is how much EA **** they have to suck these days to put out their games. 

[Zavox]

alsonamedbort wrote...

Zavox wrote...

While it may be offensive, but I can't honestly fathom how anyone can see the ending as being logical.

And I can't fathom how someone's perspective could be so limited that they can't imagine people thinking differently from them.

Since when does 'how people think' influence logic? Universal logic can't be changed by someone's state of mind.

[swordmalice]

evilgummybear wrote...

The ending is done and dusted, you cannot change an ending once its been released.

Im hoping this DLC will also have harbringer, maybe harbringer is involved in this assasination attempt!!

My God. You just lit a fire in my head. If *this* turns out to be true I am going to need a change of shorts. All of my money Bioware. Make. This. Happen.

On topic: Yeah I'm very disappointed with the endings like the rest of you, but I'm not going to deny the other 90+ hours of sheer bliss I had with the series. I'm *pretty* sure Bioware has learned a lot from this experience and I expect it will show in their future projects, lest they want history to repeat itself. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for ME4. I won't be preordering it like I did with 3, though, and will wait until reviews are satisfactory before I open my wallet. Once bitten, twice shy and all that. But no, I'm fine with Bioware leaving the endings alone. What's done is done. Let's move on and hope for better next time.

[El Mito]

thepeaguy wrote...

El Mito wrote...

thepeaguy wrote...

El Mito wrote...

thepeaguy wrote...

While people continue to cry and moan about how ME3 concluded the trilogy, I'll buy the next game.

It's funny how disgruntled consumers act like they're experts at making video games yet haven't made a successful franchise in their meagre existence.

All because you didn't get a final boss fight with Martin Sheen. Rofl.

You couldn't be more off if you tried. Bravo.

The humour in my last statement is lost on you.

All that complaining is destroying your joy of things that are fun, bro.

Backpeddling already, bro. Try forming an actual argument, bro. I'm not your bro, bro.

Not one for solidarity then, bro.

Already did. Don't like my argument? Couldn't give a toss. The hell are you supposed to be anyway? LOL.

So your argument is "LOL". Uhuh. Perhaps you should get out more, instead of asking who strangers on the internet are. Bro bro bro.

[archangel1996]

Gotta love how the minority always win the polls ;D