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[Arbiter156]

Han Shot First wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...

Nelatherion wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...

*snip

Wow, you guys have beaten the horse more times than Tesco.

Seriously, Bioware is satisfied by the endings, most of the fan base are (asides from the vocal minority) so why change it? It is the ending they wanted for their game.

Also, Victory through Refuse is impossible. If you want that lovey dovey ending then go watch MEHEM. 

you do not speak for the fanbase.... i can tell you that it is certainly not a "vocal minority"  when the entire forums are swamped by ending related posts, when 50k people join a FB group, when $80,000 is raised for charity, when $1000 is raised in under an hour, when entire new forums spring up around IT, i can tell you definitely it is not a "vocal minority". 

 

That was all prior to the release of the Extended Cut.

How many people hated the original endings but thought the EC addressed enough of their major concerns that they moved on?

Most post-EC polls with a good sample size had a larger section of the fanbase voting that they either liked or were satsified with the Extended Cut endings, than those who voted that they dere disatisfied or hated them.

I also hated the original endings, but moved on after the EC. While the post-EC endings still have some flaws, I thought the EC addressed enough of my major complaints that I think the series was salvaged.

in my view the ending is far from salvaged the exact same broken logic and ideas remain unchanged and the "resolutions" and "impacts' we were shown amounted to a few picture slides. the only real feature of the extended cut i liked was the normandy extraction because it added "actual" content, but even that had the giant gaping flaw of why harbinger didnt just shoot the normandy out of the sky.

the true percentages are lost to the internet, but you have to remember that a large portion of the fans dont even visit the BSN, and perhaps only 50% actually downloaded the EC, and its doubtfull even 50% liked it then considering the opinions i hear tossed around. 

[This is the End My Friend]

CronoDragoon wrote...

We'll see how many fans they lose when ME4 comes out. I doubt it will be as many as some predict.

[Texhnolyze101]

Mcfly616 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

ME4 will sell better than ME3.

And you know this how?

ME2 sold better than ME1. ME3 sold better than ME2.


Seems logical.....

Well those 2 games didn't have the unfortunate side effect of having ME3 ending so i'm not so sure ME4 will outsell ME3 but its going to sell enough to make DLC and keep it as a franchise.

[Tron Mega]

General Slotts wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

We'll see how many fans they lose when ME4 comes out. I doubt it will be as many as some predict.

ME1 was so good.
ME3 was so bad.

theres your reasons why.

[NeonFlux117]

I am excited for the citadel DLC. Cause of Miri, Wrex and zaeed. But as far as buying or playing another BioWare game? No. I don't think that's in my gaming future.

I love Mass Effect, and the citadel DLC looks and sounds really great. BUT.

Without any more ending content I will not buy another BioWare game after Citadel DLC.

That may be 'elitist' or according to Jessica whatever her face 'in the minority' but it's how I feel.

And I'm sure I'm not alone.

I'll give bioware one last chance with the citadel DLC. One.Last.Chance.

They deserve that much. After all this is the dev that gave us KOTOR, Jade empire, Drangon Age 1, Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 and 99.5 percent of ME3. So they deserve my time, money, effort and loyalty one last time. But as Anderson say's in London- "This is it".

[_aLucidMind_]

It wasn't ME3 that left a bad taste in my mouth, it was BioWare's initial hostility towards those who dared to dislike their ending. They were hostile quite a bit before any of the fans began throwing insults their way, from what I saw.

[DetcelferVisionary]

I'm going to do you all a favor and point out another reason why this DLC is ridiculous.

Javik would KILL Shepard if he was spending his time decorating a house instead of fighting the reapers. As the Avatar of Vengeance it was his sworn duty to not stop until all the reapers were dead. All dialogue from Javik proves it. Now if they were drinking and gambling on the Normandy while on route to a mission - I'd believe that. But they're not.

Honestly, I could keep going. There are so many reasons why this is beyond stupid.

[Kel Riever]

_aLucidMind_ wrote...

It wasn't ME3 that left a bad taste in my mouth, it was BioWare's initial hostility towards those who dared to dislike their ending. They were hostile quite a bit before any of the fans began throwing insults their way, from what I saw.

I said this before, but really, there's nobody that smart working there anymore, it seems.  To have the intelligence to not act indignant...it just isn't there.  Who is involved now are just the people who were never really good at what they did, and were fortunate enough to be involved with the creative forces who are now gone.  It filters all the way down to the tweets, where you can just see how ridiculous the people who work there now are.

[hellcat420]

i wont buy any dlc or the new me game unless they fix the ending.

[SkullStrife]

As we can see IT is not dead it´s more alive than EVER! thanks OP!

As an answer to the deleted thread "It is buried whateveryousay"

IT is alive... being an IT supporter = loving the story

Supporting the ending as literal = being a conformist, accepting a bad quality ending or accepting that Shepard should compromise with the Reapers and their logic (Catalyst = the mind of all the reapers = ENEMY)

This theory was created with a lot of effort, from thousands of fans.. REAL fans, who studied every detail of the lore... who tried and were capable of coming up with an excellent explanation that made MUCH MORE SENSE than the weak ending we got.... (and had as much quality as the rest of the franchise...) we even we got a comic by Koobismo which is amazing

the creation of this topic is just a proof that IT is not "dead" is more alive than ever, it´s so good that many of you are so pissed off that you need to provoke us.... even if this DLC does not prove the IT.. WE WILL HOLD THE LINE! Because Shepard even if indoctrianted will wake up, he´s / She´s not Saren (Synthesis) and he´s not the Illusive Man (Control)... he´s /She´s Commander Shepard! and will save the galaxy without sacrficing the soul of our species!

[Cainhurst Crow]

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

I'm going to do you all a favor and point out another reason why this DLC is ridiculous.

Javik would KILL Shepard if he was spending his time decorating a house instead of fighting the reapers. As the Avatar of Vengeance it was his sworn duty to not stop until all the reapers were dead. All dialogue from Javik proves it. Now if they were drinking and gambling on the Normandy while on route to a mission - I'd believe that. But they're not.

Honestly, I could keep going. There are so many reasons why this is beyond stupid.

I'm not seeing that train of thought to be honest. It's like you think the whole dlc will be 90% minigames and 10% love interest cutscenes.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 22 février 2013 - 03:13 .

[SkullStrife]

hellcat420 wrote...

i wont buy any dlc or the new me game unless they fix the ending.

+1

[NeonFlux117]

IReuven wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...
That may be 'elitist' or according to Jessica whatever her face 'in the minority' but it's how I feel. 

Phehe, when I hear about this "minority" I have an urge to ask about a number of PSP sb had to lick to get the job.  

haha. Made me laugh. But remeber it's a 'minority' laugh so it doesn't mater. 

[The RPGenius]

Until ME3 has an ending where Destroy does not randomly decide to kill EDI and the Geth, or Refuse can be successful (you know--an ending that doesn't spit in the face of a Paragon Shepard), I won't be purchasing any Mass Effect product. No DLC, comics, books, models, clothing, expansions, and definitely no games. If ME3's ending is never fixed, then Bioware will never have me as a Mass Effect customer again. It's that simple.

[LinksOcarina]

Man, you would think after a year people would let it go...

I pity you guys now.

[Examurai]

CronoDragoon wrote...

We'll see how many fans they lose when ME4 comes out. I doubt it will be as many as some predict.

This. ^

I don't think Bioware's fanbase will drop by a huge significant number as many people may think it will. While some will leave (at the assumption they keep their promise on not buying a Bioware game again), there will always be a new generation of fans coming in to fill that hole. So I think Bioware will be fine, with or without them.

[Cainhurst Crow]

The RPGenius wrote...

Until ME3 has an ending where Destroy does not randomly decide to kill EDI and the Geth, or Refuse can be successful (you know--an ending that doesn't spit in the face of a Paragon Shepard), I won't be purchasing any Mass Effect product. No DLC, comics, books, models, clothing, expansions, and definitely no games. If ME3's ending is never fixed, then Bioware will never have me as a Mass Effect customer again. It's that simple.

Goodbye than.

[Hexley UK]

Examurai1 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

We'll see how many fans they lose when ME4 comes out. I doubt it will be as many as some predict.

This. ^

I don't think Bioware's fanbase will drop by a huge significant number as many people may think it will. While some will leave (at the assumption they keep their promise on not buying a Bioware game again), there will always be a new generation of fans coming in to fill that hole. So I think Bioware will be fine, with or without them.

I think you vastly underestimate just how pissed off people are and just how many people have sworn off Bioware from now on, and they'll likely be extremely vocal about it for the distant future.

Just take a look at any of the gaming discussion sites right now with the news of the DLC and 75%+ will be full of posts bashing the DLC and the ending a year later and before the DLC's even been seen.

DA3 is gonna be the make or break and it already looks like an epic fail in the making.

Modifié par Hexley UK, 22 février 2013 - 04:18 .

[Undead Han]

Arbiter156 wrote...

the true percentages are lost to the internet, but you have to remember that a large portion of the fans dont even visit the BSN, and perhaps only 50% actually downloaded the EC, and its doubtfull even 50% liked it then considering the opinions i hear tossed around. 

You can't have it both ways.

You can't hold up the original ending poll as evidence that the majority of the fanbase hated the endings, and then ignore post-EC polls that indicated a majority were satisfied with the EC endings. If you accept one you have to accept the other, and not just cherry pick the ones that supports your view point.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 22 février 2013 - 06:26 .

[Armass81]

Coventional victory as desirable as that would be to some unfortunately breaks the established lore hugely, theres no getting around this.

Modifié par Armass81, 22 février 2013 - 06:29 .

[CronoDragoon]

Hexley UK wrote...
I think you vastly underestimate just how pissed off people are and just how many people have sworn off Bioware from now on, and they'll likely be extremely vocal about it for the distant future.

Just take a look at any of the gaming discussion sites right now with the news of the DLC and 75%+ will be full of posts bashing the DLC and the ending a year later and before the DLC's even been seen.

DA3 is gonna be the make or break and it already looks like an epic fail in the making.

We'll find out.

That's really the only response left, because at this point everyone's path is clear, and posturing and threats are useless. You're either going to refuse to buy ME4 because of ME3's ending, or you are waiting to see what ME4 will be like, or you will buy ME4 no matter what. Nothing that BioWare or the fans will do between now and ME4 is going to change that structure.

[Bob Garbage]

lol, this place.