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[Garrulous]

To me, everything except the literal interpretation has unexplainable and illogical ends hanging loose - and not in a good "you decide what happens" kind of way. If any of it is not 100% real (and I find it hard to accept that at least some of it isn't meant to be taken on a different level), then the ending hasn't been resolved, because there's some kind of deception at play, or at most, the endings haven't happened yet. If they're not going to "let the content speak" and explain itself, then I really feel the devs need to explain the more WTF points of the last sequences, and what their intentions were, because I feel it's still hard for a lot of people to see it from Bioware's point of view. Trying to play to everyone's interpretation actually compromises Bioware's vision - where's the confidence to say "This is how we saw the story"? It's the dev silence that's hardest to take.

I'm completely torn on this DLC - sounds good, but feel like it maybe misses the point still. Surely shoehorning in happy fanservice in the middle of a predominantly bleak and focussed narrative is itself damaging to artistic integrity?

[McFlurry598]

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

Destiny by Bungie is starting to look better and better. Thanks Bioware for helping me find "another solution" to chaos.

Yes!! Definitely preordering that!

[McFlurry598]

Everyone needs to let go, there was no other way to make the ending better than it is. Sure post EC ending was garbage, but the EC made it better Bioware made it clear Shepards story is over he is dead or if you picked galactic genocide destroy ending he is alive. But, Shepards story is over. You shouldn't need another ending. Sure there are major plot holes, but you can continue Shepards story in your own mind. I'm definitely getting ME4 or what ever it will be called.

[iJodieFoster]

Havent played me3 since last may-june whenever the EC was released. And will never play it again. Buying the dlc's was never an option. Prob will never touch me1 or me2 mainly because i know how the story ends. And It hurts to much. But for the people that say well... all of these folks that complain about the ending or gripe still play ME3 and have possibly even purchased all of the dlc.... Well im here to tell you im one of those people that hasnt played the game in 8 months and i have not given any of my money at all to Bioware/EA for the dlc. I still believe in Bioware and im willing to give DA3 a chance. But for the people that say well the minority are the ones that disliked the endings. Well you would be wrong. The minority are the people that loved the ending and have purchaed all of the dlc. There! Ive said my peace.

[McFlurry598]

john_sheparrd wrote...

I like the ending !!
It does not need a fix

[Dr_Extrem]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

As soon as they show the first screenshots and trailers, 90% of BSN will pre-order the game. You may not want to admit it, but that's what's going to happen.

Also, the endings arejust fine. Nothing to fix. Deal with it.

90% of the people who are left.

9 out of 10 is 90%.

[Nykara]

iJodieFoster wrote...

Havent played me3 since last may-june whenever the EC was released. And will never play it again. Buying the dlc's was never an option. Prob will never touch me1 or me2 mainly because i know how the story ends. And It hurts to much. But for the people that say well... all of these folks that complain about the ending or gripe still play ME3 and have possibly even purchased all of the dlc.... Well im here to tell you im one of those people that hasnt played the game in 8 months and i have not given any of my money at all to Bioware/EA for the dlc. I still believe in Bioware and im willing to give DA3 a chance. But for the people that say well the minority are the ones that disliked the endings. Well you would be wrong. The minority are the people that loved the ending and have purchaed all of the dlc. There! Ive said my peace.

I don't think you are the only one. There are plenty of us who have not bought a single DLC for ME3 or played it again in... however long since it took me to do my second play through with super high EMS destroy which was not long at all, maybe a month after it was released.

However, as much as I do STILL hate the ending. Points have been scored with me for this last DLC. In fact I've had a support for a citadel DLC in my sig for months and months and it is being delivered. I am seriously considering dusting off Mass Effect once more from #1 through to #3 including every single DLC ( we have all of 1 and 2's DLCs none of 3's so far ) and giving Commander Shepard one last play through and farewell. Jennifer Hale was one hell of an ME voice actor. After that I am done.

[Dunabar]

Some fans will make good on their words of not returning.
Some fans will prove to of just been all talk and return
Some fans will be back to make good on their word of returning

In the end the world spins regardless of your stance and you're just one voice in a sea of many.

I will return regardless and I will do so without feeling any pain from ME3. I've enjoyed the ride and will not let a few sour folks ruin it for me.

[78stonewobble]

It should have been different pre-release. Post release it's too expensive to "fix" and I kinda understand that.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

There's really no "fixing" the endings at this point (unless they IT it in some form). The damage has been done. They'll need to show out big with their next game. I personally won't buy it until I hear good user reviews and hear that the story is self-contained and makes sense (no cliff-hangers/incomplete endings).

[Daniel_N7]

evilgummybear wrote...

The ending is done and dusted, you cannot change an ending once its been released.

Im hoping this DLC will also have harbringer, maybe harbringer is involved in this assasination attempt!!

Maybe we get to play against Harbinger on the roulette table.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

People have made up their minds. An ending DLC won't change that.

[clarkusdarkus]

Overwhelming yes on the poll, Just like it has been over the year...and yet still were the minority..mwahaha

[CR121691]

I've seen people whove said that the will leave the forums forever but after a few months returned again. This will happen again when MEN will be released.

[Dr_Extrem]

CR121691 wrote...

I've seen people whove said that the will leave the forums forever but after a few months returned again. This will happen again when MEN will be released.

sure .. they will come back and leave again.

[Indy_S]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Overwhelming yes on the poll, Just like it has been over the year...and yet still were the minority..mwahaha

That poll does not take the EC into account. For some, this has placated them.

[BD Manchild]

There's really no fixing the ending at this point; the EC doesn't count in my book, as explaining why something stinks doesn't make it stink any less. Bioware have made it abundantly clear that they value "artistic integrity" over thematic and narrative consistency. Once this last DLC's out and finished, I'll be moving on from this series and never looking back.

Modifié par BD Manchild, 22 février 2013 - 11:56 .

[Invellous]

While I agree that the series will suffer I doubt it will have a large enough effect to cause both Bioware, and EA to change their methods. A large portion of gamers simply do not care enough about the quality of games to make any sort of stand, a group that I would say is larger than the group that does care. Also it worth taking into consideration that there are some who do care that have not experience some of the better RPGs from Bioware. So even if they wanted to complain about the lack of quality in current game compared to those of the past they would have little to add to any argument.

Personally I do not plan to buy any new Bioware game right out anymore. I will either rent or buy used from Gamestop. I use to buy their games when they released even if I had not followed the game's development, however I will not be doing that anymore. The fact is their last couple of offerings have not been on par with what I know they can do. I know this will not effect them, but it is not about effecting them. It is about me not wanting to waste sixty dollars of my money on a product worth half of its posted cost.

[King of Archers]

Please read it all if you can

Quote from myself on another post

This would be the way I would end Shepards story and a new mass effect trilogy , if you had the to choose between the current ending or the following witch would you chose?

Details
-more cut scenes/changes to cut scenes to account for all war assets in the final battle
-after tali/legion's mission on rannoch the camera pans around the cliff as tali takes off her mask and Shepard comes up behind her and puts his arm around her waist as she says she's with him til the end (so you see her face as she's talking) (tali is my LI and I made peace between the quarians and the geth at full paragon).

-after rannoch tali makes a backup drive for EDI so if something happens to her joker won't lose her forever like legion, and the fleet do the same with the geth severs so that it they fail the remaining geth will have a 50000 year head start on finding a way to stop the reapers.

I wouldn't change most of the ending other than the already stated saving of the geth and EDI, the other things I would change are, for control Shepard would disintegrate into liquid not dust, a fifth ending and the end cut scenes of the big three.

- renegade: Shepard does nothing/the cycle continues, no change

- paragon: Shepard convinces the catalyst the cycle is wrong and that this cycle deserves a chance, the catalyst sends the reapers away for now.

- destroy: no change till after cut scene, camera in front of almost dead Shepard, keepers start cautiously crowding in around, Shepard takes a breath, keeper nearest to camera turns off to the side and yells in slightly Scottish accent "we need more help!", turn back to Shepard and says grimly "the galaxy's going to need Commander Shepard for comes next". (explanation: the keepers where indoctrinated by the citadel all along)

- synthesis: no change till after cut scene, one month later, camera in front liara in bed, (by default/if you linked minds in ME1 to understand the prothen beckon or share a memory at the end of ME3/if she's your LI (if you have a LI who's not liara it's them and there in your cabin)), naked so you can see synthetic circuits on her skin(but sheets are covering everything that's privet on a human) having a nightmare, zoom in/fade to black on liaras face, someone on their knees chained to the floor, person screams, liara wakes up clutches the sheets to herself, irises glowing, she says "Glyph, I need you to send a message to all crew of the Normandy", Glyph wakes up very sleepily, yawns and says " yes liara, what's the message?", liara looks Glyph straight in the eye and replies "Shepard's alive!". (explanation: when Shepard sacrificed his body, his mind became trapped in everyone in the galaxy's minds(the chains), the first fifth of Mass Effect 4 would be you playing as squad mates saving Shepard)

- control: Shepard disintegrates into liquid not dust, already existing epilogue speech, fades-in to the base of the control platform, Shepard liquid starts to move, grips/climbs/builds on its self forming a bio-metal skeleton then bio circuits, layer by layer, until standing where Shepard was is a humanoid reaper, half-a-hight taller then Shepard, it crakes its neck, rolls its shoulders, looks back over its right shoulder eyes still closed, eyes open, it's Shepard, he grins and in a slightly deeper and geth like tone says "looks like I still have galaxy to save", cut to black, Murky by Cryoshell plays (see below) .(explanation: when he liquidises he becomes the same thing the collectors where turning humans into, he increases in size by half because he is now a lot more hollow, reaper Shepard's face is mirrored on what you Shepard's face is(so each is unique))

Ultimately all three endings have two thing in common:

- Shepard is alive, in some way or another and
- Harbinger was never there!, he was still out in dark space "assuming direct control" of a proxy reaper, to far form the mass relays for the energy from the crucible to get to him and disobeying the catalyst if the paragon ending is achieved, also he was first reaper made from almost the entire leviathan species and there weren't collectors to make reapers till the last cycle, he can make reapers and is 50 times bigger then sovereign,(all five different ending Shepard's at once, "Bosh'Tet....", EDI walks by "that part wasn't a joke") .

Mass Effect 4 starts about one month after your choice, as for where, I think they would start like this:

-renegade, Sorry I got nothing?

-paragon, new area, called citadel hub (at the base of the teleport beam on earth from the end of ME3), Shepard goes up to sort out some political Bull S*** on the citadel, Sorry got barely more than renegade at the moment

-control, stowed away on a cargo ship going to the citadel, sneak off at landing pad, go through security, every alarm on the citadel goes off two executive officers come running around the corner, camera on their legs, zooms from between their shoulders, Reaper Shepard is on his knees, hands on his head, says "you think C-Sec would have gotten used to me not being dead", Garrus and Tali drop their guns, both "Shepard!?!" (you start with a the power to summen a reaper and other reaper like powers, got loads of background info on this one)

-synthesis, meeting in briefing room, liara explaining what she saw, head-tentacles resembling what can only be described as asari bed head "I'm telling you he's alive!", EDI with a hand on Jokers waist "It is systemically improbable he could survive for that long", Joker with his arm around EDIs shoulders "Yeh, I know how you feel liara, no one can replace Shepard, no offence Mr Commander Vega Sir!", joker mock salutes, Commander Vega, "please, I already told you all its just James, now as much as I want believe you liara there's no way I can prove your telling the truth...", Javik speaks up from the back, "if you would trust me I could enter the mind of Dr T'soni and prove or disprove if what she says is the truth?", James, "where not going anywhere fast without a third party, and your the closest we got", Javik, "very well, Dr T'so... Liara if you try to block me it will hurt...Do you wish to proceed?, Liara straightens herself, "yes", Javik steps forward put a hand on ether side of liaras head and then touches foreheads, on contact the screen shows the scene with Shepard chained to the floor, then screaming, shows new scene Shepard in a defeated voice "if only they knew", Shepard's eyes flash open "all we got were the scouts!", Javik is thrown from liara by a biotic mental blast, James "JAVIK!", Javik picking himself up and starting to exit the briefing room "I'm alright, but we must go to Ilos at once", James following Javik "slow down, What did you see?", Javik turns on the spot and looks Vega square in the eyes "three things, 1 Shepard's alive and running out of time, 2 a device designed by what you would call priests to give new body's to the dead so they may live again WAS made on Ilos unlike what my unit was told ", James, "and the third?", Javik turning back towards the cockpit in a determined voice "all we won was a battle, the war is still on!".(the machine is activated by the prothean memory shard, it causes shepard aswell as every prothean who ever used the shard and all the dead prothean's in the stasis pods to "respawn"... i'm just saying, prothean amy!!!)

-destroy, Shepard wakes up, sits up and immediately hits his head on a pipe, walks out of the small room into a large town that looks like a metal tree-top village in the rafters of the citadel and is greeted by a keeper with a Einstein moustache and hair, "hello", Shepard "you can talk?", Keeper "apparently so, a lack of indoctrination can do that to you. The name's Theodore", Theodore stretches out his hand, Shepard shakes it warily and says "Shepard, what happened?", Theodore, "walk with me, you were out for quiet a time, a month to be precise", Shepard" My squad!", Theodore "They're fine, yes so is <Insert LI Here>",Shepard, breaths out relived "that's good", Theodore "after you blew up the citadel and destroyed the reapers in the galaxy , we found you and brought you back to the land of the living", Shepard" not that I'm not grateful, but the last time anyone did that it didn't end to well, what do you want?", Theodore and Shepard stop "A world safe once more, what you fought on earth was merely a token, and scouting party if you will, harbinger and the reaper army were still in the dark space when the crucible fired...", Shepard" Wait, were?!", Theodore looks up at the stars "the galaxy about to become a very fearful place Mr Shepard, unless you can stop them for good?" Shepard "I'm sure as hell not going to LET them take away everything and everyone I love!!", Theodore "I was hoping you'd say that".(keepers make quarians and salarians look like little kids playing with building blocks and makeing paper mache volcanoes, you can get a ship mounted crucible cannon)

also some random details from another post

-I loved that the credits song of ME1 was only played in the credits and feel that the "Leaving Earth" song was too sad a note to end ME3 on, I was finally downloading the ME albums form iTunes and came across a song for one of my favourite bands I hadn't listened to in a long time, Cryoshell, there a Danish band (they sing in English) that did the music of Bionicle for its last three years, anyway there song Murky, it stands for everything the Mass Effect Universe is, but in song form (and would go perfectly with my ME3 idea, go listen to it).

-Shepard- During the course of the trilogy you invest so much emotion into Shepard that to have him die 9 times out of 10 just breaks your heart, and although the main character dieing at the end is perfect in some games (red dead redemption, la noire), it just doesn't work for Shepard, you need him to undoubtedly live.

- Harbinger- For the hype and finding out that he can "assume direct control" during ME2 all he does in ME3 is shoot his eye beam at Shepard once and that's it, a big let down and waste of an amazing plot twist.

-Tali- You have to romance her in ME2 to even get a chance in ME3...and then all you get is a photo shopped picture, personally I love the picture, but I wanted to see her face when takes off her mask on Rannoch and talks to Shepard, plus it would add more emotional drama wether she's looking at the sunset, saying she loves you or killing herself(I made sure I got the middle one)

-War assets- I spent so much time getting every war asset I could, and then to see almost none of them there in the final battle I felt like they'd betrayed me, I wanted to see on land: Blood pack, Blue suns and Eclipse fighting beside alliance troops, Salarian Special Tasks Group officers covering krogan riding cloned alien dinosaurs, and in space I wanted to see geth commanders in their own fighters helping Rachni defend the crucible, leviathans tackling reapers and forcing them to shoot other reapers, maybe even new war assets like the human reaper and the collector base if you didn't blow them up (you can recover them in the Cerberus base) or a colossal geth platform built inside one of Rannochs hollowed out moons and because it didn't have any geth programs in it at the time legion upgraded all the geth, it became a copy of legion.

-Star Child- This poor kid has three scenes before he dies, we don't know his name or if he has any relation to Shepard, I never got the chance to be emotionally attached to the kid and I feel the catalyst/dream kid would have better-off as the default and instead having your LI be in your dreams and be the form of the catalyst.

-The End- I like the lead up, the way you choose how to use the crucible, what the Star (now LI) says and the ends themselves (with the addition of saving of EDI and Most of the geth in destroy), the only part where the end fails is the final cut scene before the credits roll and the song plays (now Murky by Cryoshell), you need to know Shepard's alive and that there's one last chapter to his story.

-Trilogy- When I look at most games I see them fall in to one of three categories: singular, reboot and double trilogy.
-singular- a game comes out, it's ether great or sucks, they never make another, most games.
-reboot- a game comes out, fans love it, they keep making them till everyone says their all the same game, reboot and repeat, Cod, DMC.
-double trilogy- a game comes out, two more get made finishing the story, then new way more powerful bad guy was just waiting in the sidelines the entire time, now you must save the world again as this (hopefully the same, but probably) new guy who you don't give a flying Furby about, Fable, Halo, Dead Rising (in essence, although I like both Frank West and Chuck Green in this case)
It shouldn't be in a previous/future/parallel cycle ether as the reason for doing that (to make your choices from ME1, ME2 and ME3 not matter) would counteract the point of ME1, "to make a world where you every choice matters"


-The reapers were supposed to stop genocide by killing all races before they commit it, what if harbinger decided to do just that
-Who's to say he can only make reapers or the collectors/ protheans were the only race they changed
-If you let the batarian Balak live that one could come back to bite you on the butt
-I always thought Miranda (or maybe Jacob if she's dead) would takeover after the illusive man was gone
-Lastly who knows how much he has upgraded himself, as far as I know he could big as the star the Cerberus base orbited in ME2/ME3 and have a gun that shoots Death stars!

I really want to go work for Bioware, make this happen and bring the 7 or so other game stories i have to life, so to anyone who reads this and can help, I ask of you please do, I know it's an improbable life goal, but at 18 that's the kind your suppose to have, right?

Mass Effect is special and deserves to be justice.

[Mezantine]

I honestly hated the endings to no end and the EC did nothing to change my overall mood. However, whilst i hate the way Bioware ended the series they have won my loyalty back because of how well they supported the game overall (particularity MP). Ultimately how i wanted the game to end in no way reflected Bioware's vision,, and despite the continual criticism and outright hatred they received they still remained receptive to the fan bases desires in their dlc. Even though i was disappointed in Biowares conclusion i can't fault their dedication to their fanbase and product, and because of that dedication I'm going to stick around for ME4.

[CR121691]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

CR121691 wrote...

I've seen people whove said that the will leave the forums forever but after a few months returned again. This will happen again when MEN will be released.

sure .. they will come back and leave again.

And will come back again. 

[Jonata]

With all the marvels they're throwing at us this time around, with a ME2 and a Romance DLC actually coming our way, one could argue that still being obsessed with the endings qualify as mere stubborness.

Modifié par Jonata, 22 février 2013 - 01:09 .

[FAButzke]

Dunabar wrote...

Some fans will make good on their words of not returning.
Some fans will prove to of just been all talk and return
Some fans will be back to make good on their word of returning

In the end the world spins regardless of your stance and you're just one voice in a sea of many.

I will return regardless and I will do so without feeling any pain from ME3. I've enjoyed the ride and will not let a few sour folks ruin it for me.

Quoted For Truth.

[Jonata]

FAButzke wrote...

Dunabar wrote...

Some fans will make good on their words of not returning.
Some fans will prove to of just been all talk and return
Some fans will be back to make good on their word of returning

In the end the world spins regardless of your stance and you're just one voice in a sea of many.

I will return regardless and I will do so without feeling any pain from ME3. I've enjoyed the ride and will not let a few sour folks ruin it for me.

Quoted For Truth.

Seconded. A very nice way to put it. The world spins, I enjoyed ME3. It's just a little bit sad that those who don't desperately want to bring the franchise down with them for some kind of deviant personal revenge on BioWare.